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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
June 30 2013 12:57 GMT
#101
Not keeping up on current events is somewhat acceptable. Being idiotic enough to post something like that on facebook is beyond stupid. The punishment wasn't nearly in context, even if he won't get sentenced he's already spent 4 fucking months of his life in jail and probably a few more to come.

And I'm sorry but with regards to the article what in the fuck logic gets a woman to assess that common residential zoning practice leads to actual intent?. Do people seriously have nothing else to do all day but brood over what ifs? The national media has already been reduced to fear-mongering bullshit but really?

And FFS stop with the sensationalist titles. The original article in the OP is even shoddy at best in describing the situation.
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
June 30 2013 12:57 GMT
#102
On June 30 2013 21:56 m4inbrain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote:
Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by...


you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal


Joking is not. And you're not to judge if a joke meets "joke-criteria".


your intention does not matter, it's what people percieve as the truth as matters. If I go out on town yelling im gna kill school children, it doesn't fucking matter if I then say it was a joke.
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
June 30 2013 12:58 GMT
#103
On June 30 2013 21:56 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:56 teddyoojo wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote:
Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by...

well you can thank facebook for that one i guess


facebook didnt force him to threaten to kill people


But facebook was the thing he was located and jailed. Not having facebook account and no jail time.
Sokrates
Profile Joined May 2012
738 Posts
June 30 2013 12:58 GMT
#104
On June 30 2013 21:56 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote:
Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by...


you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal

Wait, so I can't threaten to kill everyone in my town, on Facebook and provide no context for the comments? I was not aware I didn't have this freedom to be an idiot on that scale.



But you have the freedom to be an idiot on a lower scale? If you get shitfaced, and then knocked up because you didnt remember if the guy used a condom well then you can have an abortion because that happens. But if a retarded 19 year old makes a stupid comment on facebook he should be jailed.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 30 2013 12:58 GMT
#105
On June 30 2013 21:56 Sokrates wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:51 RoKetha wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:
You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust.


This, seriously.

His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack.

The threat of doing the think is still a crime. You cannot threaten to do things that are illegal, especially bodily harm to others. 8 years is a long time, but do not post this shit of facebook for all to see.



Oh wait what was your point of view regarding abortions again?

In case of an abortion : well shit can happen to anyone.

Now here: Omfg should be punished and jailed.


My point of view was that you should stop stalking me and asking weird questions about abortion?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 12:59:33
June 30 2013 12:58 GMT
#106
On June 30 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:51 RoKetha wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:
You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust.


This, seriously.

His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack.

The threat of doing the think is still a crime. You cannot threaten to do things that are illegal, especially bodily harm to others. 8 years is a long time, but do not post this shit of facebook for all to see.


The threat has to be credible for it to be a threat treated as a crime. That's the point of investigation. In the context of an online game, and with the comments immediately following JUST KIDDING it's clearly not a credible threat.
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Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
June 30 2013 12:59 GMT
#107
This case is proof that you can and should be punished for stupidity.
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Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
June 30 2013 12:59 GMT
#108
On June 30 2013 21:49 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:48 teddyoojo wrote:
so if u forget to logout from facebook and someone posts something like that on ur facebook, gonna get jailed son


if you're dumb enough to have such "friends" around you, you deserve your jailtime ;P


Apparently you've never been around teenagers and/or drunk people.
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m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
June 30 2013 12:59 GMT
#109
On June 30 2013 21:57 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:56 m4inbrain wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote:
Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by...


you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal


Joking is not. And you're not to judge if a joke meets "joke-criteria".


your intention does not matter, it's what people percieve as the truth as matters. If I go out on town yelling im gna kill school children, it doesn't fucking matter if I then say it was a joke.


It's a big difference if you run around and shouting stuff like a nutjob, or write stuff on a forum with "jk lol" behind it. There's alot of jew-jokes out there. Guess you need to be charged with racism and hatespeech every single time you use one of these. Not to mention jokes about blacks, germans, polish guys and what not.

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 30 2013 13:00 GMT
#110
On June 30 2013 21:58 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:51 RoKetha wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:
You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust.


This, seriously.

His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack.

The threat of doing the think is still a crime. You cannot threaten to do things that are illegal, especially bodily harm to others. 8 years is a long time, but do not post this shit of facebook for all to see.


The threat has to be credible for it to be a threat treated as a crime. That's the point of investigation. In the context of an online game, and with the comments immediately following JUST KIDDING it's clearly not a credible threat.

Except it was made on Facebook to the world, not in LoL. The OP is wrong. He just an idiot on the internet, not LoL.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 30 2013 13:00 GMT
#111
So wait. The person actually posted lol and jk after the comment.

How is there any way to construe this as an actual threat? Are you people kidding?

That's just one step short of a legal disclaimer saying "Warning, the above comments are not serious."
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
June 30 2013 13:01 GMT
#112
On June 30 2013 21:56 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:55 nkr wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:51 DannyJ wrote:
Screw worrying about the NSA, I'm going to be scared that some creepy lady in Canada is going to google what I live by...


you dont need to be worried as long as you dont threaten to kill people which is, as im sure you are aware of, illegal

Wait, so I can't threaten to kill everyone in my town, on Facebook and provide no context for the comments? I was not aware I didn't have this freedom to be an idiot on that scale.


Because it's a threat... and not a joke... ok. If you say so.

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Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
June 30 2013 13:02 GMT
#113
On June 30 2013 21:47 Quotidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:00 Jek wrote:
On June 30 2013 20:57 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 30 2013 20:54 Jek wrote:
Well, he did post it on an public forum (Facebook) and as thus it should be considered an terrorism threat in my opinion since it's what it in fact is. He'll face a trial and if considered innocent he'll be released, to be honest I consider it a win-win situation. If he's considered a public threat he'll be locked away and if he's not he has learned a valuable leason.


Are IdrA, Nerchio, Destiny etc terrorists too?

Are they threatning the public, with what is in fact an act of terrorism? Being charged is not equal to being a terrorist.

Consider saying his statement in public, wouldn't you be concerned? I would. There's a precendence for these kind of statements being written online, Breivik for instance, I'd rather the goverment follow up on these cases and potentially prevent a tragedy than writing all threats off as freedom of speech.



Breivik isn't a "precedent" to some kid making a silly comment on Facebook. Making off-color remarks on Facebook isn't an act of terrorism. Breivik had already been breaking the law for months before releasing his manifesto or whatever, by making explosives on a remote farm, while at the same time taking significant steps to keep his plan a secret. There are zero parallels to Breivik in this case.

Developments like this isn't that many steps away from 1984-style thought police... in which case - USA, it was nice knowing you :\


The worst part is that instances like this are likely a sweeping majority of the NSA's proposed victories against terrorism. We wouldn't know because they aren't about to disclose anything of the sort, but it is likely the case.
"Mudkip"
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
June 30 2013 13:02 GMT
#114
On June 30 2013 21:59 Kamais Ookin wrote:
This case is proof that you can and should be punished for stupidity.

If that's the case then the woman who reported him to the police should be arrested too.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
June 30 2013 13:03 GMT
#115
On June 30 2013 22:00 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:58 NovaTheFeared wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:51 RoKetha wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:
You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust.


This, seriously.

His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack.

The threat of doing the think is still a crime. You cannot threaten to do things that are illegal, especially bodily harm to others. 8 years is a long time, but do not post this shit of facebook for all to see.


The threat has to be credible for it to be a threat treated as a crime. That's the point of investigation. In the context of an online game, and with the comments immediately following JUST KIDDING it's clearly not a credible threat.

Except it was made on Facebook to the world, not in LoL. The OP is wrong. He just an idiot on the internet, not LoL.


I heard both stories, but that doesn't change my evaluation of the situation. In the facebook story, he is responding to a friend who called him crazy and he's sarcastically saying yeah im real crzy men!!! i shoot em up and eat their beating hartz! JK

This is the real, credible threat of violence? I don't think so.
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
June 30 2013 13:03 GMT
#116
On June 30 2013 21:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:26 Jek wrote:

@MasterOfPuppets: How do you KNOW there's nothing in it?

To be honest, I don't know how to phrase this without sounding arrogant so please bear with me, I don't think the people in uproar has any idea how it is to have a mental disorder - which this kid might very well have - I have a bipolar disorder which if I forget my meds and trigger a fully-blown manic period I have the potential to be a threat to myself and my surroundings, I'm glad to know I have a red mark in my journal which allows the officials to by force, if needed, put me into a hospital.


Basically I think this kind of actions should be followed up on immediately, and the investigation should be swift so we don't have innocent people sitting incarcerated for this long.


Listen buddy, I don't know where you live, where you've lived, how you've lived or what you're doing on an online gaming forum while having such little experience with online gaming.

But I can tell you from my long history of multiplayer gaming, and the cumulated knowledge of everything I've seen, heard and experienced, that this isn't out of the ordinary. Hell, with XBox live's CoD and Halo, with League of Legends and other such casual-competitive games, it's even more prevalent now than it used to be. I've seen people rage like hell, and I hold nothing against them, fuck I'm not ashamed to admit that I've raged like hell too, and not only once. But it's ok. It's ok to be upset when someone on your team fucks up, or when you fuck up, or when you lose. It's ok, because it's passing. It's called competitive spirit, and anyone who's ever been competitive in anything, sports, board games, gambling, you name it, any of those people will at least understand the sentiment.

You for some reason, don't seem to. Therein lies the problem...

I find it quite funny you think I have little experience with online gaming when we're posting on teamliquid.

This wasn't an in-game chat, this was on Facebook, which you seem to ignore for some reason.
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Sokrates
Profile Joined May 2012
738 Posts
June 30 2013 13:03 GMT
#117
On June 30 2013 21:58 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:56 Sokrates wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:54 Plansix wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:51 RoKetha wrote:
On June 30 2013 21:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:
You know what a reasonable response to this "threat" would be? To have an investigation, which would determine if he was serious or not, which appears to be OBVIOUSLY NOT and let that be that. You have to investigate on the complaint in the context of Newtown, but to charge with a crime and possibly sentence the kid to 8 years? That's horribly unjust.


This, seriously.

His actual speech is completely protected and not at all illegal in this context because his "threat" had no credibility and could not reasonably be argued to have been intended to incite a panic. If they want to convict him with a crime like "terrorist activities" (which would still be horribly inappropriate because a guy randomly shooting up a school is totally different from a terrorist doing it for political reasons, but the laws governing that stuff have become incredibly broad in scope so it might fit), they need hard evidence that he was actually planning some kind of attack.

The threat of doing the think is still a crime. You cannot threaten to do things that are illegal, especially bodily harm to others. 8 years is a long time, but do not post this shit of facebook for all to see.



Oh wait what was your point of view regarding abortions again?

In case of an abortion : well shit can happen to anyone.

Now here: Omfg should be punished and jailed.


My point of view was that you should stop stalking me and asking weird questions about abortion?


Just pointing out your hypocrisy. And i didnt stalk you, that thread was just under the "usa is spying on us thread".
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 30 2013 13:03 GMT
#118
On June 30 2013 21:57 Badfatpanda wrote:
Not keeping up on current events is somewhat acceptable. Being idiotic enough to post something like that on facebook is beyond stupid. The punishment wasn't nearly in context, even if he won't get sentenced he's already spent 4 fucking months of his life in jail and probably a few more to come.

And I'm sorry but with regards to the article what in the fuck logic gets a woman to assess that common residential zoning practice leads to actual intent?. Do people seriously have nothing else to do all day but brood over what ifs? The national media has already been reduced to fear-mongering bullshit but really?

And FFS stop with the sensationalist titles. The original article in the OP is even shoddy at best in describing the situation.


Because that's the only reason why people ever would read this crap, would you even read it if it stated the facts, that this kid hasn't been sentenced yet and prolly only will spend half a year in jail or just do community service and that the time he already has been in custody prolly will be included in his final sentence, if he even is found guilty?
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 30 2013 13:03 GMT
#119
Well I guess we should all stop using words like "kill" or "rape" or "dominated" when referring to people playing video games on TL because people can use the strictest interpretation and take it for granted that we actually want the players killed. Because that makes alot of sense.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
June 30 2013 13:03 GMT
#120
Is dark comedy illegal now?
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