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On March 03 2013 17:47 ViktorSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 17:33 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 03 2013 17:23 ViktorSC wrote:On March 03 2013 17:11 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On March 03 2013 16:59 ViktorSC wrote:On March 03 2013 16:50 Reborn58 wrote:On March 03 2013 16:34 ViktorSC wrote:
IGN doesn't owe anyone anything. If they haven't said anything then there is nothing to say. This makes TeamLiquid.net look like a mob, not a community. Yeah what are you talking about? People have taken vacation time, booked hotels, and paid for airfare. You're crazy if you think they shouldn't be given as much time as possible to cancel if there is even a small chance that this isn't going to happen. eSport's business is not the most stable business there is. If a company is suddenly bought there is not much that can be done. Is it your fault for going to IPL instead of MLG? Maybe. Did you bet on the wrong pony? It's a possibility. All I'm saying is IPL has a really ugly logo so what can you really do, starting a rumor and getting everyone riled up isn't going to help. Thousands of angry StarCraft fans won't save your tournament. Why don't you start a petition or start a kickstarter and buy it yourself, that's what the internet is for. Punking a small company around that was already struggling in the first place isn't gonna make things better, you are hurting eSports. What the fuck are you even trying to say in this post? Its not even close to coherent. Hey Jinro, relax, don't fucking slap me. See the comment above me. Here in United States we are allowed to write how we speak. Nothing to lose hair about. no, your post actually wasn't coherent. it made my brain hurt. and no they aren't just rumors. They canceled a LoL qualifier. Thats not a rumor. Its a fact. They are sending sponsors their product back. Thats a fact. I am not a poster or here to solve anyone's problems. Just because LoL is canceled or because Doa is not casting does that mean that IPL6 is cancelled as well. What if the new owners all of a sudden want to bring back John Madden as the new face of eSports and partner with Pirelli Tires or something and make the best tournament this side of the atlantic. We just don't know. All these posts are embarrassing me, as a StarCraft fan and eSports fan. Where is the positivity? Where is the love? Where is the optimism? If I made your brain hurt maybe you are reading into this situation just a little bit too excessively. I don't know all the facts but I am just getting tired of all the attacking. Have some patience. There is an expansion, for a relatively new game out this month. Let's be happy with what we have and if you can't afford to not know because of vacation time then don't go, just don't tell 50,000 people about it. The comment below me; Makes sense. If you have store credit at a Blockbuster that has closed down, why would you break into the empty plot of land that once was and argue with yourself? It's not attractive and if enough people do it no one will rent videos in that location, ever. P.S. Maybe it's just all this pent up excitement for this new game that has me feeling really assertive but when i get drunk or really excited I do one thing. And that is smack talk, but still... Let's remember that IPL5 was really cool and awesome. No reason why it couldn't happen again.
I think most people just want IGN to tell us if IPL6 is happening. For those of us that have already made plans it would be really really nice. My cancellation deadline is coming up on my accommodations and it's really annoying that they won't just tell us whether it's gonna happen or not.
One assumes that either a.) It is getting cancelled and they aren't telling us because they are still trying to sell it and tbh most business investors won't find out unless they announce it or
b.) They are trying to hopefully keep it running but don't know yet, so they don't want to say definite yes or no, because either they get into a further shit storm by saying yes and then it doesn't, and if they say no and it does, then it will hurt the event
Asking for information about an event that some of us have had to take off work for and pay money to go to is not unreasonable.
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I feel like the silence here is very telling. It seems like they're trying to hold off on saying anything while they scramble to save the event. Of course this is all speculation, but I certainly feel for those players/teams/spectators who've spent their hard-earned on IPL6 at this point...
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Wow ViktorSC, you are posting jibberish. Why are you talking about their logo? >___O
Moving on... the writing is on the wall. IPL is probably preparing a statement that it's all over.
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i think the calm before the storm of hots is the calm we dont need and is killing esports
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On March 03 2013 18:11 yyfpulls wrote:
IPL6 is canceled. IPL is screwing people over with their unprofessional stance to all of this. It's been TWO DAYS since this news was leaked and still they have not made a statement. People have a right to be angry.
Zero business days have passed been since the rumour was started.
While people who run tourneys might work on weekends, people in charge of the negotiations, and the decisions on who gets to say what when, probably dont work on weekends - maybe the guys at ziff davis went on a trip without cellphone coverage.
If someone starts a rumour like that, during possible sales negotiations on friday - it is reasonable to not expect any answer before sometime monday.
I'm 90% certain the tourney will be canceled, if sponsors getting their products back statement is true.
Also im 90% certain on monday there will be official statement, or at least some info.
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At least they could something like: Patience~ T_T
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
On March 03 2013 23:43 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 18:11 yyfpulls wrote:
IPL6 is canceled. IPL is screwing people over with their unprofessional stance to all of this. It's been TWO DAYS since this news was leaked and still they have not made a statement. People have a right to be angry. Zero business days have passed been since the rumour was started. While people who run tourneys might work on weekends, people in charge of the negotiations, and the decisions on who gets to say what when, probably dont work on weekends - maybe the guys at ziff davis went on a trip without cellphone coverage. If someone starts a rumour like that, during possible sales negotiations on friday - it is reasonable to not expect any answer before sometime monday. I'm 90% certain the tourney will be canceled, if sponsors getting their products back statement is true. Also im 90% certain on monday there will be official statement, or at least some info.
Rumor started friday, Friday is a business day.
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On March 04 2013 00:10 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 23:43 rename wrote:On March 03 2013 18:11 yyfpulls wrote:
IPL6 is canceled. IPL is screwing people over with their unprofessional stance to all of this. It's been TWO DAYS since this news was leaked and still they have not made a statement. People have a right to be angry. Zero business days have passed been since the rumour was started. While people who run tourneys might work on weekends, people in charge of the negotiations, and the decisions on who gets to say what when, probably dont work on weekends - maybe the guys at ziff davis went on a trip without cellphone coverage. If someone starts a rumour like that, during possible sales negotiations on friday - it is reasonable to not expect any answer before sometime monday. I'm 90% certain the tourney will be canceled, if sponsors getting their products back statement is true. Also im 90% certain on monday there will be official statement, or at least some info. Rumor started friday, Friday is a business day.
Yes but generally speaking you don't get an official announcement (especially if one wasn't already prepared) until whatever is going on internally is resolved.
I'll put it this way, lets say they are in negotiations with potential buyers, or maybe they are not and they are debating whether to cancel, postpone, or scrap IPL. Maybe they even have made the decision and were then on friday preparing a statement to be released Monday. Is it really worth it to respond to twitter and forum rumors before monday? Sorry but I just don't see the benefit in rushing something out that was already planned to be announced 2 to 3 days later.
We don't know precisely where Scoots and Gamespot (etc.) got their information from. While their information could be in fact credible that something is going on with IPL6 or they may even know more precisely what's going on, that doesn't mean the company is prepared to make a statement about what is going on within a day of someone spreading rumors based on information heard.
One of the major issues I've personally always had with esports 'journalism' in general is the citing of mysterious 'sources'. Even on stories which in all reality are not so controversial there should be any reason why sources are not directly quoted. If gamespot (a news site) has sources cite them, otherwise they mine as well be the National Inquirer of esports.
What looks better?
Head of operations for IPL stated X, or Camera guy for IPL stated X....
In my opinion this is why we get 'sources' instead of legitimate citation of who said what. I have a feeling many of these stories are a game of telephone and these 'journalists' don't want the story to look like it isn't credible by citing camera guy x as then people would lambaste them for posting a story with such a source. So instead 'sources say' which is beyond ambiguous to say the least, all in order to be first out of the gate with the story.
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On March 03 2013 23:43 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 18:11 yyfpulls wrote:
IPL6 is canceled. IPL is screwing people over with their unprofessional stance to all of this. It's been TWO DAYS since this news was leaked and still they have not made a statement. People have a right to be angry. Zero business days have passed been since the rumour was started. While people who run tourneys might work on weekends, people in charge of the negotiations, and the decisions on who gets to say what when, probably dont work on weekends - maybe the guys at ziff davis went on a trip without cellphone coverage. If someone starts a rumour like that, during possible sales negotiations on friday - it is reasonable to not expect any answer before sometime monday. I'm 90% certain the tourney will be canceled, if sponsors getting their products back statement is true. Also im 90% certain on monday there will be official statement, or at least some info.
In business world when there something this magnitude going on there is no such thing as "business day". Unless whoever they try to negotiate with shut down their brain during weekend, there might not be a negotiation coming Monday if something is not properly dressed ASAP.
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On March 04 2013 02:36 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 23:43 rename wrote:On March 03 2013 18:11 yyfpulls wrote:
IPL6 is canceled. IPL is screwing people over with their unprofessional stance to all of this. It's been TWO DAYS since this news was leaked and still they have not made a statement. People have a right to be angry. Zero business days have passed been since the rumour was started. While people who run tourneys might work on weekends, people in charge of the negotiations, and the decisions on who gets to say what when, probably dont work on weekends - maybe the guys at ziff davis went on a trip without cellphone coverage. If someone starts a rumour like that, during possible sales negotiations on friday - it is reasonable to not expect any answer before sometime monday. I'm 90% certain the tourney will be canceled, if sponsors getting their products back statement is true. Also im 90% certain on monday there will be official statement, or at least some info. In business world when there something this magnitude going on there is no such thing as "business day". Unless whoever they try to negotiate with shut down their brain during weekend, there might not be a negotiation coming Monday if something is not properly dressed ASAP.
For Ziff Davis, IPL probably is not on the same order of magnitude compared to what it is for the eSports scene. And since IPL is the one that seems to be in trouble, they probably would not want to break any NDA's that might be in place for the sales negotiations until people from Ziff Davis - or perhaps a potential buyer - give their OK.
On March 04 2013 00:10 T.O.P. wrote:
Rumor started friday, Friday is a business day.
OK, one day. Still i find it is an reasonable assumption that whoever gets to decide already went home by the time it got big enough for someone to inform him/her - and being probably quite ignorant about the importance of IPL to the esports community - would have told "OK, lets have a meeting at monday ASAP " if called after that.
If IPL was not in middle of possible sales negotiation i would have have higher expectations of information being available ASAP - but currently, while this looks bad, i really would give them one more workday to let people know whatever is going on. ( unless by monday it is too late to cancel hotels/flights already for anyone).
After that i'm gonna join you guys :V
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On March 04 2013 03:14 rename wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 02:36 ragz_gt wrote:On March 03 2013 23:43 rename wrote:On March 03 2013 18:11 yyfpulls wrote:
IPL6 is canceled. IPL is screwing people over with their unprofessional stance to all of this. It's been TWO DAYS since this news was leaked and still they have not made a statement. People have a right to be angry. Zero business days have passed been since the rumour was started. While people who run tourneys might work on weekends, people in charge of the negotiations, and the decisions on who gets to say what when, probably dont work on weekends - maybe the guys at ziff davis went on a trip without cellphone coverage. If someone starts a rumour like that, during possible sales negotiations on friday - it is reasonable to not expect any answer before sometime monday. I'm 90% certain the tourney will be canceled, if sponsors getting their products back statement is true. Also im 90% certain on monday there will be official statement, or at least some info. In business world when there something this magnitude going on there is no such thing as "business day". Unless whoever they try to negotiate with shut down their brain during weekend, there might not be a negotiation coming Monday if something is not properly dressed ASAP. For Ziff Davis, IPL probably is not on the same order of magnitude compared to what it is for the eSports scene. And since IPL is the one that seems to be in trouble, they probably would not want to break any NDA's that might be in place for the sales negotiations until people from Ziff Davis - or perhaps a potential buyer - give their OK. Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 00:10 T.O.P. wrote:
Rumor started friday, Friday is a business day. OK, one day. Still i find it is an reasonable assumption that whoever gets to decide already went home by the time it got big enough for someone to inform him/her - and being probably quite ignorant about the importance of IPL to the esports community - would have told "OK, lets have a meeting at monday ASAP " if called after that. If IPL was not in middle of possible sales negotiation i would have have higher expectations of information being available ASAP - but currently, while this looks bad, i really would give them one more workday to let people know whatever is going on. ( unless by monday it is too late to cancel hotels/flights already for anyone). After that i'm gonna join you guys :V
Pretty much this. The people working for IPL probably would like to make a statement asap, but the people they need to talk to (IGN/ZIFF/Buyers) probably wont be around till monday. I really wouldn't be surprized if it takes longer than monday. They may just have time to meet and discuss monday. Then they (Ziff/ign/buyers) still need to make the decisions.
Although, lets not forget that these rumors technically have been going on for almost 2 weeks now, it is just recently that it has become a major issue of concern. There were a lot of stray rumors flying around earlier that most of us dismissed. It was only until recently that they reached a critical mass to cause concern and attract attention. So this has been an issue for IPL for a while and I'm sure they've been talking with IGN/Ziff/whoever for a while and we are still here.
The last thing David Ting tweeted was that Scoops window for guessing a buyer for IPL was "limited." Though that was over 4 days ago now. I'd like to think that this means that they are in the final stages of hammering a deal out; which means we likely wouldn't see an announcement until the weekdays when things pick back up. Though, that just might be me being optimistic and either way it could still be good or bad news.
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lol @ people talking like they know what NDAs are in effect and what's going on behind the scenes here. You have absolutely no idea and you don't sound smart by guessing, sorry.
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It isn't going to be cancelled... I was on the IPL6 Qualifiers stream last night and all the casters were confident that they were returning to work on Monday and the days after. Also, this could just be an attention-getter to build up hype for IPL6.... soon, IGN might come out and say that "IPL6 is back", and then the viewers for streams and the live event would probably jump a considerable amount.
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You know the only thing I'll really miss was watching Lanibot on stream 3 or whichever, having her awesome conversations with everybody (and even people trying to kiss her  ). I hope we get to see her again one day (on a free stream). Actually just watching her do stuff was more entertaining than most games  .
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I wish IPL would tell us something :/
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On March 04 2013 00:46 Nerski wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 00:10 T.O.P. wrote:On March 03 2013 23:43 rename wrote:On March 03 2013 18:11 yyfpulls wrote:
IPL6 is canceled. IPL is screwing people over with their unprofessional stance to all of this. It's been TWO DAYS since this news was leaked and still they have not made a statement. People have a right to be angry. Zero business days have passed been since the rumour was started. While people who run tourneys might work on weekends, people in charge of the negotiations, and the decisions on who gets to say what when, probably dont work on weekends - maybe the guys at ziff davis went on a trip without cellphone coverage. If someone starts a rumour like that, during possible sales negotiations on friday - it is reasonable to not expect any answer before sometime monday. I'm 90% certain the tourney will be canceled, if sponsors getting their products back statement is true. Also im 90% certain on monday there will be official statement, or at least some info. Rumor started friday, Friday is a business day. Yes but generally speaking you don't get an official announcement (especially if one wasn't already prepared) until whatever is going on internally is resolved. I'll put it this way, lets say they are in negotiations with potential buyers, or maybe they are not and they are debating whether to cancel, postpone, or scrap IPL. Maybe they even have made the decision and were then on friday preparing a statement to be released Monday. Is it really worth it to respond to twitter and forum rumors before monday? Sorry but I just don't see the benefit in rushing something out that was already planned to be announced 2 to 3 days later. We don't know precisely where Scoots and Gamespot (etc.) got their information from. While their information could be in fact credible that something is going on with IPL6 or they may even know more precisely what's going on, that doesn't mean the company is prepared to make a statement about what is going on within a day of someone spreading rumors based on information heard. One of the major issues I've personally always had with esports 'journalism' in general is the citing of mysterious 'sources'. Even on stories which in all reality are not so controversial there should be any reason why sources are not directly quoted. If gamespot (a news site) has sources cite them, otherwise they mine as well be the National Inquirer of esports. What looks better? Head of operations for IPL stated X, or Camera guy for IPL stated X.... In my opinion this is why we get 'sources' instead of legitimate citation of who said what. I have a feeling many of these stories are a game of telephone and these 'journalists' don't want the story to look like it isn't credible by citing camera guy x as then people would lambaste them for posting a story with such a source. So instead 'sources say' which is beyond ambiguous to say the least, all in order to be first out of the gate with the story.
So in your world letting rumors fly around that are not true is NOT important enough to dismiss when you have a lot of people that bought tickets, accommodations etc to your event?
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On March 04 2013 04:29 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 00:46 Nerski wrote:On March 04 2013 00:10 T.O.P. wrote:On March 03 2013 23:43 rename wrote:On March 03 2013 18:11 yyfpulls wrote:
IPL6 is canceled. IPL is screwing people over with their unprofessional stance to all of this. It's been TWO DAYS since this news was leaked and still they have not made a statement. People have a right to be angry. Zero business days have passed been since the rumour was started. While people who run tourneys might work on weekends, people in charge of the negotiations, and the decisions on who gets to say what when, probably dont work on weekends - maybe the guys at ziff davis went on a trip without cellphone coverage. If someone starts a rumour like that, during possible sales negotiations on friday - it is reasonable to not expect any answer before sometime monday. I'm 90% certain the tourney will be canceled, if sponsors getting their products back statement is true. Also im 90% certain on monday there will be official statement, or at least some info. Rumor started friday, Friday is a business day. Yes but generally speaking you don't get an official announcement (especially if one wasn't already prepared) until whatever is going on internally is resolved. I'll put it this way, lets say they are in negotiations with potential buyers, or maybe they are not and they are debating whether to cancel, postpone, or scrap IPL. Maybe they even have made the decision and were then on friday preparing a statement to be released Monday. Is it really worth it to respond to twitter and forum rumors before monday? Sorry but I just don't see the benefit in rushing something out that was already planned to be announced 2 to 3 days later. We don't know precisely where Scoots and Gamespot (etc.) got their information from. While their information could be in fact credible that something is going on with IPL6 or they may even know more precisely what's going on, that doesn't mean the company is prepared to make a statement about what is going on within a day of someone spreading rumors based on information heard. One of the major issues I've personally always had with esports 'journalism' in general is the citing of mysterious 'sources'. Even on stories which in all reality are not so controversial there should be any reason why sources are not directly quoted. If gamespot (a news site) has sources cite them, otherwise they mine as well be the National Inquirer of esports. What looks better? Head of operations for IPL stated X, or Camera guy for IPL stated X.... In my opinion this is why we get 'sources' instead of legitimate citation of who said what. I have a feeling many of these stories are a game of telephone and these 'journalists' don't want the story to look like it isn't credible by citing camera guy x as then people would lambaste them for posting a story with such a source. So instead 'sources say' which is beyond ambiguous to say the least, all in order to be first out of the gate with the story. So in your world letting rumors fly around that are not true is NOT important enough to dismiss when you have a lot of people that bought tickets, accommodations etc to your event?
Not saying it's not important.
What I am saying is so long as they post something by Monday morning, it will have little to no effect having been done earlier on people who have made, or need to make reservations for the event. If a reservation was non refundable it's still non refundable. If a reservation is refundable, it'll likely still be so whether they posted Friday or Monday. If you still need to make reservations them posting on Monday won't stop you from doing so.
Two business days to respond to a flood of rumors is not unreasonable. If nothing is posted by Monday afternoon then I would start to wonder why they are dragging their feet. As by Monday evening the rumor mill would likely be starting to get absolutely out of control (yes more so then it already has).
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On March 04 2013 03:41 TD.VapoR wrote:
It isn't going to be cancelled... I was on the IPL6 Qualifiers stream last night and all the casters were confident that they were returning to work on Monday and the days after. Also, this could just be an attention-getter to build up hype for IPL6.... soon, IGN might come out and say that "IPL6 is back", and then the viewers for streams and the live event would probably jump a considerable amount.
Are you serious? Teams/viewers are already cancelling hotels and flights if possible. There's been a lot of damage to the tournament if it DOES run due to these rumors and lack of response. I was going to attend and if they come on monday and say "hi guys was on vacation IPL is still running" I won't give a shit.
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On March 04 2013 03:33 Doodsmack wrote:
lol @ people talking like they know what NDAs are in effect and what's going on behind the scenes here. You have absolutely no idea and you don't sound smart by guessing, sorry.
Let's see here. You could either be a reasonable individual and imagine all sorts of logical, expected scenarios that would normally exist in a business setting, or you could act like a lynch mob who just want to hang someone.
But clearly the former is the most laughable choice.
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On March 04 2013 06:12 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 03:33 Doodsmack wrote:
lol @ people talking like they know what NDAs are in effect and what's going on behind the scenes here. You have absolutely no idea and you don't sound smart by guessing, sorry. Let's see here. You could either be a reasonable individual and imagine all sorts of logical, expected scenarios that would normally exist in a business setting, or you could act like a lynch mob who just want to hang someone. But clearly the former is the most laughable choice.
You're right, however a large chunk of the people here actually don't know what're common business practice or what their environment is. And that is what's a headache to read.
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