Whiplash is.... okay, and might be salvageable with a different co-caster. SNM is essentially a passion-less Moletrap with far worse pronunciation and command of the english language. The dude simply has no place casting a tournament as prestigious as proleague.

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snam

Sweden78 Posts

January 21 2013 20:01 GMT

#282

For me, the worst part of the broadcast is the horrible observer who frequently misses battles and drops.

Marl

United States694 Posts

January 21 2013 20:03 GMT

#283

Can't stand them. No where near as good as the GSL casters. I either mute or listen to the screaming of the Korean cast.

Seph02

Netherlands221 Posts

January 21 2013 20:03 GMT

#284

Comparing these guys to the likes of Artosis, Tasteless, Apollo, Dj Wheat..these guys are middle class.

I honestly think that for a league as good as this, they should seriously bring in some good casters...

One big reason to enjoy (tastosis) GSL above SPL

KanoCoke

Japan863 Posts

January 21 2013 20:09 GMT

#285

On January 22 2013 05:01 snam wrote:
For me, the worst part of the broadcast is the horrible observer who frequently misses battles and drops.

This too. Even for such a prestigious league, they seem to have an observer that doesn't seem to have much experience with observing. What happened to their BW observers? Or are these the same observers (who haven't really adjusted to the SCII interface)?

I feel like the kid that I was that missed a broadcast of X-men because of church every single time the observer misses these important climactic battles.

Lavit2099

United States390 Posts

January 21 2013 20:11 GMT

#286

There's getting better but still have a ways to go, both as separate castes as well as a duo. They don't play well off of each other yet and the humor isn't really there. Not to mention the awkward "I wasn't talking about that" sort of things like last night (talking about the difficulty of other games when the other guy was talking about something completely different).

mambar

United States841 Posts

January 21 2013 20:14 GMT

#287

On January 22 2013 05:01 snam wrote:
For me, the worst part of the broadcast is the horrible observer who frequently misses battles and drops.

i was thinking about this last night. legend has spoiled us all

Kyrao

United States161 Posts

January 21 2013 20:23 GMT

#288

Some people are not meant to be casters. I would love to cast games, but I know that I don't have the necessary oration skills to do so. SNM is one of those people that simply isn't meant to be a caster. It doesn't matter how much he practices, he will never be as fluent with his words as people like Artosis, Apollo, or Grubby. It's genetic. I don't mean to bash on the guy, but you can't let him think its working for him. Like many others have said before me, you gotta call it like it is. He shouldn't pursue a career of casting, period.

I think Whiplash is quite decent.

derpface

Sweden925 Posts

January 21 2013 20:26 GMT

#289

On January 22 2013 04:08 ACrow wrote:

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This is a thread asking for feedback. As it happens to be, a majority of people do not have a very positive opinion of their work, so of course a lot of criticism is voiced. If you want to forbid criticism, then this shouldn't be a feedback thread but a fan club thread.

If you don't like to read criticism you can just avoid reading this kind of thread or actually open a fan club for them.

Deal with it.

I dont want any god damn fanclub.

Its just that people just say "They're bad" and thats it. No FEEDBACK at all.

Just stupid to go out and say its bad when you dont have anything else to add.

Adersick

United States216 Posts

January 21 2013 20:28 GMT

#290

I quite enjoy the PL casts, they've improved since late 2012, and I hope they continue to do so. I'd also agree with what several people have already said: the observing needs to be a bit more work. For comparison (in my opinion) GSL observers have that fantastic game sense, every frame they catch is of great significance, always effectively switching between units on the field and units in production, and clicking on army units intermittently to update the audience on how upgrades are going. In PL, we still sometimes have issues of missing drops or larger scale battles, which is a bit of a hindrance. I love watching PL, but I think the greatest improvement to be made lies with the observers at the time being.

More on topic: Whiplash and SNM have made great improvement in their casting. I admit sometimes the humor is hit and miss, but they certainly have a solid grasp of the game, the casting itself just needs a bit of refinement (which can only come with passion and practice). I anxiously await to see what 2013 holds for them and for PL in general!

Juggernaut477

United States379 Posts

January 21 2013 20:29 GMT

#291

I dislike their casting a lot. I'm sure they will get better over time but a tournament like Proleague should not have amateur casters. What was the reason they got rid of Bitter/TB?

KanoCoke

Japan863 Posts

January 21 2013 20:34 GMT

#292

On January 22 2013 05:29 Juggernaut477 wrote:
I dislike their casting a lot. I'm sure they will get better over time but a tournament like Proleague should not have amateur casters. What was the reason they got rid of Bitter/TB?

It was a test cast while they were looking for a more permanent set of casters. After all, you can't really expect guys like TotalBiscuit and MrBitter to show up every single time because the former runs a team and the latter already has a stable job at NASL.

Herro_Korea

310 Posts

January 21 2013 20:39 GMT

#293

I actually think that if SNM starts to play a game and understand what's happening on the screen, he could be decent. Not like top-tier caster with awesome voice but still decent. I can understand that it's hard to get someone to cast at this awkward hour and Korean seems to be reasonable pick to translate when there's interview or something happens like referee is needed but SNM seriously has to put heart into this thing and start to play like mad to get that understanding/watch other casters and get broader idea on how to cast.

Thurken

961 Posts

January 21 2013 20:45 GMT

#294

On January 22 2013 03:32 Cel.erity wrote:
What's with all these posts that assume there are waves of casters lining up to quit their job/schooling, move to the other side of the world, and get paid slightly more than minimum wage?

Maybe at the last minute there aren't many people. But otherwise for the darn proleague there should be someone decent casters.
Where does the Artosis, Tasteless, Khaldor and Wolf come from? If proleague pays nothing compared to GOMTv it is another problem but if we had 4 very competent casters that moved or were in Korea to cast a pretigous korean league, there should be one or two more. It is more demanding than the GSL but when you see Khaldor casting non stop you think it must be doable.
Even if you only find someone half as good, it'll be a huge improvement.

0cz3c

United States564 Posts

January 21 2013 20:52 GMT

#295

I think Whiplash might be somewhat fine with some general enthusiasm, which is the biggest thing missing from SPL English casting when compared to Korean Proleague casting. But I don't think SNM is anything but a genuinely terrible caster. Unfortunately I can't imagine enjoying listening ever to him, because his language expression and clarity--both of which are essential to any type of caster--just cannot improve. Regrettably I don't think I'd be reporting anything differently if he were funnier, better analytically, or worked better with Whiplash even slightly: Kyrao is right on the money when he says some people are not meant to be casters, and SNM is one of them. :|

Snake.69

Canada140 Posts

January 21 2013 21:02 GMT

#296

I assume most top masters/grandmasters players cannot stand their cast at all. I personally dont watch pro league... All they do is state the obvious... Im sure they are great ppl... but maybe they should try to play a few thousand games at high masters+ level so that they can understand the decision makings, mind games, and also predict the outcome of engagements and games better.

So many times i find myself knowing exactly what a player is up to just to have to caster say something that doesnt make any sense... then the player ends up proving me right and them wrong and Im like ahhhhhhhhh fk this shit LOL.

I know its hard to be an Artosis or a Apollo. but its PRO LEAGUE. I expect the caster to explain to us how they think a player should react from scouting certain things. I want them to tell us WHY that player took that decision instead of another. I want them to know what other options he could have taken. I want them to tell us exactly what build a player is up to.

Idk maybe im too harsh, Im sure casual players can enjoy their cast, they are great guys that love their jobs.. but.... too hard for me to watch

. I seriously think i could do a better job

( sorry...

Thurken

961 Posts

January 21 2013 21:10 GMT

#297

On January 22 2013 06:02 Snake.69 wrote:
I assume most top masters/grandmasters players cannot stand their cast at all. I personally dont watch pro league... All they do is state the obvious... Im sure they are great ppl... but maybe they should try to play a few thousand games at high masters+ level so that they can understand the decision makings, mind games, and also predict the outcome of engagements and games better.

So many times i find myself knowing exactly what a player is up to just to have to caster say something that doesnt make any sense... then the player ends up proving me right and them wrong and Im like ahhhhhhhhh fk this shit LOL.

I know its hard to be an Artosis or a Apollo. but its PRO LEAGUE. I expect the caster to explain to us how they think a player should react from scouting certain things. I want them to tell us WHY that player took that decision instead of another. I want them to know what other options he could have taken. I want them to tell us exactly what build a player is up to.

Idk maybe im too harsh, Im sure casual players can enjoy their cast, they are great guys that love their jobs.. but.... too hard for me to watch

. I seriously think i could do a better job

( sorry...

The thing is that even if you don't want analytical casting you'll still have a bad time because they are the opposite of interesting/funny/enthousiastic/passionate

Snusmumriken

Sweden1717 Posts

January 21 2013 21:11 GMT

#298

pro league is most likely (obviously) not paying foreign casters much whatsoever as they focus heavily on the korean scene. As always you get what you pay for.

KanoCoke

Japan863 Posts

January 21 2013 21:26 GMT

#299

On January 22 2013 06:11 Snusmumriken wrote:
pro league is most likely (obviously) not paying foreign casters much whatsoever as they focus heavily on the korean scene. As always you get what you pay for.

Makes sense. We only paid 5 dollars.