EPTSPL Casters (SNM/Whiplash) Appreciation/Criticism - Page 17
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-Risk-
Canada164 Posts
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
One thing that I do really like, however (and I've seen this mentioned a couple times), is that they stay on topic. No time-wasting jokes or complete tangents like what Tasteless does sometimes - in the downtime, they talk about things like map stats, player stats, and other things that spectators might find interesting. So definite kudos for that, and keep it up! | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
If you didn't know better you'd think it's just some random commentators somewhere on the globe restreaming the Korean feed and simply casting in English over it. And then you wonder what the big deal is about. Of course, there are behind-the-scenes things that elude the common viewer, such as in person helping IEG understand the international audience better, assist with content production on site in Korea (i.e. the EG-TL interviews at the team house), and so on. But if you actually go the full mile, hire English casters, and make them move to Korea, why then would you not better include them in the production? I have to agree that the casting itself could be better (and hence I often find myself rather watching the Korean stream). But it's not like IEG didn't reach out to more established casters. In the end, it was only SNM and Whiplash who agreed to take IEG's offer, both in terms of arrangements and salary. What IEG had to offer obviously did not succeed in attracting other more experienced commentators and thus we have to live with this and can only blame the production company. Many have already pointed out the pros and cons of SNM and Whiplash, as well as what they could and should improve on. I agree with a lot of it, so I will not repeat it. That aside, I hope IEG as the production company will also improve on their part and do a better job. | ||
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valentine1
Australia129 Posts
that's what these two are doing. i have paid my cash for proleague and am enjoying their casts. sure, they're not as good as tastosis and wolfdor, but if you honestly expect them to be 'the best' because 'its proleague' then you've got unrealistic expectations. 2012-2013 season 1 has been running for nearly two months and the total games played is at my current estimate, less than open season 1 and 2 combined with english casts. give them time, encourage them, because if you whine hard enough then maybe you'll get yourself an even worse replacement(s) for you all to whine about all over again. be constructive, please. be constructive without being condeming. it's the only way they'll improve. i'm probably just wasting my breath typing all this, but i feel that sometimes TL isn't about coming together to share knowledge, moreso about trying to make others feel bad and assert nerd superiority. how sad. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On January 22 2013 09:06 valentine1 wrote: i've been watching GSL since open season 1, and you'd have to be crazy not to see the improvement that tasteless and artosis have made over that time. in addition, it's not just the fact that the game was new then and no-one really knew what was going on (eg: fruitdealer fast expanding, omg), it's that they put in a lot of time and effort into becoming better. that's what these two are doing. i have paid my cash for proleague and am enjoying their casts. sure, they're not as good as tastosis and wolfdor, but if you honestly expect them to be 'the best' because 'its proleague' then you've got unrealistic expectations. 2012-2013 season 1 has been running for nearly two months and the total games played is at my current estimate, less than open season 1 and 2 combined with english casts. give them time, encourage them, because if you whine hard enough then maybe you'll get yourself an even worse replacement(s) for you all to whine about all over again. be constructive, please. be constructive without being condeming. it's the only way they'll improve. i'm probably just wasting my breath typing all this, but i feel that sometimes TL isn't about coming together to share knowledge, moreso about trying to make others feel bad and assert nerd superiority. how sad. Though I mostly agree, I think there's no amount of practical improvement that SNM could do to make him a good caster. Certain people are simply not meant to do certain things, that's life. Casting requires a decent voice and likeability, both of which are exceptionally hard to "work on". Tasteless and Artosis are naturally charming individuals, so you really can't make that comparison. | ||
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HorsemasterK
United States606 Posts
Their game knowledge may improve, but I can't see either of these guys developing enough charisma to actually host. User was warned for this post | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + IF I HEAR SENTRAYYS one more time I'm going to fucking pop a blood vessel | ||
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valentine1
Australia129 Posts
On January 22 2013 09:14 Cel.erity wrote: Though I mostly agree, I think there's no amount of practical improvement that SNM could do to make him a good caster. Certain people are simply not meant to do certain things, that's life. Casting requires a decent voice and likeability, both of which are exceptionally hard to "work on". Tasteless and Artosis are naturally charming individuals, so you really can't make that comparison. perhaps you're right, i can easily concede that tastless and artosis are naturally charming! but can't we all remember back when these threads were calling for khaldor's head because of his 'accent' and 'terrible english?' is it even the same khaldor today that started in code a all those seasons ago? i thought he was pretty funny back then and a decent caster, but he's 100% legit awesome now. maybe you'll argue that he's naturally charismatic as well, and maybe you're right. i don't know the answer, but tremendous transformations do occur, and khaldor was pretty static when he started. i'm gonna wait and see what happens! | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
On January 22 2013 09:26 valentine1 wrote: perhaps you're right, i can easily concede that tastless and artosis are naturally charming! but can't we all remember back when these threads were calling for khaldor's head because of his 'accent' and 'terrible english?' is it even the same khaldor today that started in code a all those seasons ago? i thought he was pretty funny back then and a decent caster, but he's 100% legit awesome now. maybe you'll argue that he's naturally charismatic as well, and maybe you're right. i don't know the answer, but tremendous transformations do occur, and khaldor was pretty static when he started. i'm gonna wait and see what happens! Oh, that's only because Khaldor was paired up with moletrap. Once he got constantly paired with Wolf, we started seeing the true Khaldor in action. | ||
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Berceno
Spain401 Posts
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munchmunch
Canada789 Posts
On January 22 2013 09:26 valentine1 wrote: Khaldor may have taken some criticism when he started doing GSL, but he also had a lot of staunch fans by that time (myself included). That natural charisma you're talking about was pretty apparent... I seem to remember listening to him cast in German (which I don't understand at all) just because he had such good energy.perhaps you're right, i can easily concede that tastless and artosis are naturally charming! but can't we all remember back when these threads were calling for khaldor's head because of his 'accent' and 'terrible english?' is it even the same khaldor today that started in code a all those seasons ago? i thought he was pretty funny back then and a decent caster, but he's 100% legit awesome now. maybe you'll argue that he's naturally charismatic as well, and maybe you're right. i don't know the answer, but tremendous transformations do occur, and khaldor was pretty static when he started. i'm gonna wait and see what happens! Not that I disagree with your overall point, I personally hope that SNM and Whiplash improve, and I don't think we're going to have much choice but to give them the time. It would be different if they were pretending it was a polished product and charging accordingly, but with a $5 price-tag, what can you really say. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
GL and I certainly hope they find their niche in this shitty community. | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On January 22 2013 09:29 KanoCoke wrote: Oh, that's only because Khaldor was paired up with moletrap. Once he got constantly paired with Wolf, we started seeing the true Khaldor in action. Taking the flame bait, tbh I really disliked Wofldor until Season 5 last year. Khaldor just seemed to always talk over Wolf (which I guess is funny considering how Moletrap used to talk over Khaldor), and it made the games not as interesting as they could have been. After they just powered through so many games towards the end of last year, I felt that they both really improved in their game knowledge and also team chemistry. Hopefully we get to see similar improvement from these two. Just diligently studying the game, and working on speaking skills. | ||
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
On January 22 2013 11:04 Berceno wrote: one thing I Didnt see comented is that kespa probably only gets foreign money with twitch subscripcions,therefore they had to get cheap casters to make profit, dont expect to see better castes anytime soon ...They get no money because subscription is only 5$. Subscription is only 5$ because they didn't take the time to make a proper portal. Their content is terrible, the stream doesn't have a production team for the english stream, it's impossible to watch vods without getting spoiled, their casters are terrible. Usually in business you invest to have a good product and then people pay for it. They make an english website -> have an english production with good casters -> people pay to watch vods -> ??? -> profit. | ||
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On January 22 2013 12:02 Dontkillme wrote: Gotta love TL, disliking something they get for free. You know that there is a free korean stream site on Naver and some other site. I am sincerely sorry for trying to help improve casters who clearly need work in an effort to both increase the validity of their cast, the enjoyment that people get (see: more will watch and kespa gets more money), and decrease the amount of hate that SNM and whiplash get. I am sorry if that offends you. In all honesty, while the people who are mindlessly caster bashing are out there, this post doesn't really make sense in a thread entitled "Appreciation/(constructive is implied) criticism." Is there something wrong with trying to improve SPL, or should we just let SNM and whiplash go through it themselves, and figure everything out, just because we don't pay (5$ per year is virtually free) like we do for GSL? I don't see the problem with trying to help them improve, and of course you're allowed to dislike something even if it's free. If you want to say a "if you dislike it, then don't watch" then it's a lose-lose. Kespa loses viewers, SNM/Whiplash lose the opportunity for feedback, and viewers lose content. Controlled criticism is a much better option, and that's what the (majority of) thread is about. | ||
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neggro
United States591 Posts
snm = needs MORE improvement | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
Poll: Did You Watch Any BW ProLeague? Yes (17) No (8) 25 total votes Your vote: Did You Watch Any BW ProLeague? I wanted to add this poll because I am curious. Whenever I could grab games of my favorite BW players to watch I was ecstatic and it felt amazing to watch epic games. However because I am bias (as I loved BW) I find it incredibly unacceptable to have this level of commentary (bad) for a legendary league. It really takes away from the epic feeling of the league even though we are being graced by having an English commentary stream provided. If this was an up and coming league or even an indie league by random community members then sure I could accept this level of commentary but I really find it unacceptable to have this commentary for this league (sorry for being redundant). | ||
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wcLLg
United States281 Posts
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