EPTSPL Casters (SNM/Whiplash) Appreciation/Criticism - Page 18
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Mortal
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Olex
United States135 Posts
I think the folks posting in this thread are demanding and impatient. They do not care for development or improvement, they simply demand perfection. You can't build Rome in a day. You Two have an amazing opportunity and deserve our support. You are easy targets because they are new. Thank you for risking your young lives to bring this opportunity to us. If you guys are reading this, fuck the haters. Haters hate. They are going to hate. Your job is to do the best you can with the tools and experience you have. Be patient and stalwart because you're doing fine. All public figures get picked on, especially rising figures. Leave the negativity on the forums and love much. Thank you for all that you do. | ||
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Kyir
United States1047 Posts
On January 22 2013 13:06 Olex wrote: I think the folks posting in this thread are demanding and impatient. They do not care for development or improvement, they simply demand perfection. You can't build Rome in a day. In general, I don't think people expected the casting to start out at such a low quality. It makes sense if it's a less-prominent league, but people expected more out of PL and its casters. | ||
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trGKakarot
United States129 Posts
The fact the one dude speaks Korean is ok (I guess), but the there isn't much he has to translate and whenever he is the other dude is always like, "LOL, I don't speak Korean, I am going to take a piss." We really didn't need to know that information, especially in a time you shouldn't be talking anyways... | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2553 Posts
On January 22 2013 13:06 Olex wrote: SNM, Whiplash, you two are doing a fine job, and you deserve our support. I'm sorry this I think the folks posting in this thread are demanding and impatient. They do not care for development or improvement, they simply demand perfection. You can't build Rome in a day. You Two have an amazing opportunity and deserve our support. You are easy targets because they are new. Thank you for risking your young lives to bring this opportunity to us. If you guys are reading this, fuck the haters. Haters hate. They are going to hate. Your job is to do the best you can with the tools and experience you have. Be patient and stalwart because you're doing fine. All public figures get picked on, especially rising figures. Leave the negativity on the forums and love much. Thank you for all that you do. This "opportunity" is available since nearly a decade. I can't watch korean SPL stream correctly now, I have to stick with this poor english stream if I want to watch the games live, which I really prefer to. At least I can watch every single 720p korean vods 15 mins after the games, but I miss the YouTube korean stream (It doesn't work for me and many others this season). | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On January 22 2013 13:06 Olex wrote: SNM, Whiplash, you two are doing a fine job, and you deserve our support. I'm sorry this I think the folks posting in this thread are demanding and impatient. They do not care for development or improvement, they simply demand perfection. You can't build Rome in a day. You Two have an amazing opportunity and deserve our support. You are easy targets because they are new. Thank you for risking your young lives to bring this opportunity to us. If you guys are reading this, fuck the haters. Haters hate. They are going to hate. Your job is to do the best you can with the tools and experience you have. Be patient and stalwart because you're doing fine. All public figures get picked on, especially rising figures. Leave the negativity on the forums and love much. Thank you for all that you do. Haters will hate, and they're stupid for doing so, but SNM and whiplash would be silly not to scan this thread, or elsewhere, for tips on what they should be doing to improve. Often the best help comes from people who are watching you play (cast) and making suggestions based on what they see. It's irrational to hate blindly and say they'll never ever be successful, but it's equally irrational to say "y'all are doing great, keep it up!" and cushion/baby them when we should be middle grounding it and saying "y'all are improving, but work still needs to be done." Personally, I'll always tune in to proleague as long as I get a sense they're trying. If that stops, or they stop improving and it seems like they just don't care, I can always mute and listen to nathanias. | ||
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marcjpb
Canada64 Posts
Dont dislike or like them. Few things. #1 Stay focus on the game, I lose interest very fast when you start talking about random stuff that isnt related to the game. This include random story or just random build order you could do in that map that doesnt apply to the current match. I know some other caster will do this to entertain but the community need to know the personality of the caster before they do so. #2 Try to be more exciting. Give you an example, LD from Dota2. To me, he is the best caster in esports. I dont really watch dota2 but the casting he did at the international 2 was sick. #3 Split your role better to avoid talking over each other, like one talk more about the micro (battle) and other one talk more about the macro (strat, meta, play style) between battle. Beside that, keep the good work and improving  | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
And I couldn't stand Moletrap. | ||
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Olex
United States135 Posts
On January 22 2013 14:55 Alryk wrote: Personally, I'll always tune in to proleague as long as I get a sense they're trying. If that stops, or they stop improving and it seems like they just don't care, I can always mute and listen to nathanias. Yes. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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adan4real
United States78 Posts
I do like the little facts they throw around while a match is getting setup. For example map stats, rivalries, and other little tidbits here and there about BW history. I think they will get better at it as time goes on though. They are improving imo. | ||
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ineversmile
United States583 Posts
Personally, the more professional a commentator is, the more I enjoy him (or her). I like the way that NBA, NFL, and NHL commentators speak about their respective games...but they have the big edge that they're in their 40s or older, they are backed by very experienced broadcasting companies, and they have been in the sports industry for longer than SC1 has existed (much less BW or SC2). So it's not really fair to expect most commentators for SC2 to be up to par with pro sports commentators; but it's a nice thing for which they could strive. My $.02. Suffice to say, I think they're doing a good job with calling the games and talking about strategies. Some things they probably just don't know because they don't talk to the players directly, and they don't have all the possible facts due to the current setup. But they're doing just fine. | ||
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csikos27
United States135 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
These comments are really what get me - the massive exaggerations. Stop. Please stop. | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On January 22 2013 16:47 FabledIntegral wrote: I don't have a problem with Whiplash, but SNM is really bad imo. Saying stuff like "if Stork gets one more kill, it's official he's back" just irks me ... his play wasn't spectacular by any means vs Fantasy or S2 (didn't see vs Sacsri). Sure, he won, and that's what counts, but in no way did he look solid or like he could constantly beat people down. These comments are really what get me - the massive exaggerations. Stop. Please stop. I think the same way. Whiplash does not say these nonsense comments. SNM is also a bit harder to understand for me (Im no native speaker), it always seems like his tongue is a bit numb. | ||
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Unsane
Canada170 Posts
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cywinr
Canada173 Posts
Both S&M and Whiplash do not have enough game knowledge to provide detailed casting of what is actually going on. Not only do they struggle to figure out the underlying strategies and general direction of the game, they struggle to distinguish clearly all of the actions that are happening before their eyes. Their descriptions of what happens during the game, or during a battle, are their own reactions and some observations loosely mashed together. There is a lot to work on... | ||
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Dubz
United States242 Posts
On January 22 2013 18:05 cywinr wrote: I am sorry S&M, but you just butchered the Rain vs. Roro game just now. It was horrible. I am also starting to get sick of hearing "on top of that", "behind that", "however", etc... being wrongly used. Both S&M and Whiplash do not have enough game knowledge to provide detailed casting of what is actually going on. Not only do they struggle to figure out the underlying strategies and general direction of the game, they struggle to distinguish clearly all of the actions that are happening before their eyes. Their descriptions of what happens during the game, or during a battle, are their own reactions and some observations loosely mashed together. There is a lot to work on... this, also he keeps saying things are "in a big trouble" over, and over, and over... | ||
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RiSkysc2
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