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CatharsisUT
United States487 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:27 Plansix wrote: But did that impact the accuracy of Steele's findings? No not at all. I'm just getting tired of people getting facts wrong when trying to defend things, it weakens a good argument. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:29 CatharsisUT wrote: No not at all. I'm just getting tired of people getting facts wrong when trying to defend things, it weakens a good argument. I’m on the same page. I don’t believe who paid for the dossier is a fact that matters in the investigation. If the DNC directly instructed Steele to bring it to the FBI, that would be different. But he did it on his own and from all reports didn’t tell the DNC until well after he did it(or at all, I’ve never gotten a clear answer on that one). | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:18 Taelshin wrote: Have to agree with Danglars on this one its starting to look real bad for fbi, dnc, obama's DoJ and hilldawg. Not gonna count ,my chickens but this whole thing is a stern yiiikes. I dont think trump will start firing people for a week or 2 and I assume a lot more info is gonna come out so who knows! Bonus: read the four pages of memo and tell me what was so threatening to national security if it was released, as was originally claimed. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Release primary source documents. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
This is all shooting-the-messenger shit and says nothing about the dossier's accuracy, or Christopher Steele, who by all accounts, is as authoritative an expert on Russian intel as anyone in the world. Really. He was head of Russian intel desk at MI6. What more do you want? But we should put all that aside, because a Democrat, naturally, helped fund it. And of course, none of that actually matters when it comes to this FISA warrant, because Carter Page had reasons for surveillance dating back to 2013. | ||
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Introvert
United States4862 Posts
I think I read that Gowdy is the only other Republican to have read the actual application (just my memory). Seems to be emerging view: This is at the very least concerning, but the Russia investigation started with Papodopalous a nd Mueller is fine. And of course, show us the application. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:34 Danglars wrote: Bonus: read the four pages of memo and tell me what was so threatening to national security if it was released, as was originally claimed. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Release primary source documents. That's an important point to keep in mind. I'm having a very hard time understanding all of the handwringing over the memo's release other than seeing it as sheer desperation to simply keep it out of the public domain for political purposes. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:16 WolfintheSheep wrote: Wait wait wait... So, if I'm reading the House Intelligence Committee report correctly, their problem is that the Dossier was omitted from the FISA renewal application? As in the application that provides probable cause to justify a continuation of surveillance? So basically a judge received probable cause that did not rely on the Dossier, approved the FISA renewal, and Nunes doesn't like that they didn't present the evidence that he wants to discredita? It said almost the exact opposite. It’s only four pages long. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:37 xDaunt wrote: That's an important point to keep in mind. I'm having a very hard time understanding all of the handwringing over the memo's release other than seeing it as sheer desperation to simply keep it out of the public domain for political purposes. Except you know why people are upset. You agreed with me earlier on the topic. It’s the wrong venue. It is devoid of response from the FBI, who cannot respond. The opposition memo was suppressed. There is already an active investigation in place into the FISA warrant. The argument that Democrats and FBI were politically motive to suppress this memo falls flat because the author, Nunes, is equally politically motive to undermine the FBI. If people want to keep political motivations out of these investigations, they need to let them proceed without this type of interference. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
Like I said right as it was being released. Without primary sources this whole thing is a whole lot of nothing. | ||
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Introvert
United States4862 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:39 Plansix wrote: They will never show the application. That part would reveal all the supporting evidence, sources and methods. It would be reckless and counterproductive since there is already an investigation by the inspector general in place. I thought the IG was looking into the FBI's handling of the Clinton case, nor this. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:42 Introvert wrote: I thought the IG was looking into the FBI's handling of the Clinton case, nor this. From the reports from NPR today, this warrant renewal is also being looked into. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:39 Danglars wrote: It said almost the exact opposite. It’s only four pages long. Yeah, misread the first couple lines. The bullet point starts with "material and relevant information was omitted", and the first point says "The dossier compiled by Christopher Steele". So the entire complaint is that the FISA application doesn't say that sources of evidence could be biased. Which, um, duh? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12320 Posts
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
TODAY: Democrats went too far in opposing the release of memo that only had barest of accusations! | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:47 Nebuchad wrote: How do people find the energy to care about this, I swear I think it's worth caring that the investigators are forced to fight the government over ongoing investigations. And basically have to fight to keep their jobs because the government doesn't like ongoing investigations. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:49 Wulfey_LA wrote: YESTERDAY: Democrats are evil deep state enablers suppressing the truthful and heroic memo! TODAY: Democrats went too far in opposing the release of memo that only had barest of accusations! Some people need to revisit what Republican elected-officials were saying about this memo before they reluctantly let us actually read it. Then again, I am assuming most of us, not on the Trump train, have memories larger than an elephant's. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:52 Leporello wrote: Some people need to revisit what Republican elected-officials were saying about this memo before they reluctantly let us actually read it. Then again, I am assuming most of us, not on the Trump train, have memories larger than an elephant's. aren't elephants supposed to have long memories? | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32743 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:47 Nebuchad wrote: How do people find the energy to care about this, I swear The frenzy from the right-wing media on how this could sink and discredit the investigation deserves an equally strenuous reaction from the left to refute it or say how it's a big nothingburger. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:47 WolfintheSheep wrote: Yeah, misread the first couple lines. The bullet point starts with "material and relevant information was omitted", and the first point says "The dossier compiled by Christopher Steele". So the entire complaint is that the FISA application doesn't say that sources of evidence could be biased. Which, um, duh? They didn’t say multiple grounds they had (at the time) to doubt the information in the dossier. The FBI instead brought up at least one false means of corrobation and concealed conflicts of interest and credibility gaps. According to the memo. xDaunts already said three different ways why that matters, so I suggest you read him. Actually, you even go a bit worse. You say specific, relevant reasons for bias may be concealed by federal law enforcement because judges already know sources can be biased. Unexpected, but interesting. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On February 03 2018 04:49 Wulfey_LA wrote: YESTERDAY: Democrats are evil deep state enablers suppressing the truthful and heroic memo! TODAY: Democrats went too far in opposing the release of memo that only had barest of accusations! TODAY, DEMOCRATS: Misleading judges in a federal court is no big deal!!! | ||
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