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Looks like the Fox story about how Wray and the FBI thought the memo was the greatest thing ever was a hunk of garbage. Shocking!
Wouldn't be surprised if the memo doesn't mention e.g. that Page already had a FISA on him or that more than the dossier was used to request the renewal. That second possibility fucks over the FBI real hard because they would have to reveal material sources in the ongoing investigation to counter the memo.
I'm sure our law and order president wouldn't risk interfering with an ongoing investigation by forcing them to reveal sources to the public or be discredited, though!
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On January 31 2018 20:47 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 16:19 Doodsmack wrote:
Trumps approval is in the gutter...all you need to know really. Trump is not himself at a SOTU. There’s just too much of a contrast between his tweets while he’s eating cheeseburgers and his SOTU presentation. But, Hillary’s Emails. The fundamental attribute of any politician is they're desperate never to show you themselves to begin with. Not when they're reciting someone else's words from the teleprompter anyway. Having access to Trump's genuine bluster is just a bonus.
Do you consider his genuine bluster to be intelligent or informative?
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On February 01 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 04:19 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 03:36 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote:
They had their shot to be cooperative with oversight committees. Now, it’s time to release the summary memo and primary source documents supporting it. So we should declassify information every time a house member decides that they want to write a memo about it and threaten to release it over the objection of the DOJ, FBI and the other half of the committee? Because that might not be that fun for conservatives if the Democrats take the House in 2018. But hey, open up Pandora's box if you think it will work out. I hear hope is at the bottom. Way off. The FBI, after fighting oversight, not even acknowledging the requests for information and then flatly denying it, now wants to debase the conclusions. It took the speaker of the house calling them to heel some 4 months after the cycles of stonewalling to get the promises and the ball rolling. They can go fuck themselves at this point. You didn't even address his question lol
I have no interest in addressing stupid tangents founded on faulty pretenses. The process does not succeed or fail on a single member, and attempts to pretend otherwise are just indicative of his unserious treatment of the matter. It’s like you’re operating from the presumption that failure to attach relevance to the issue is a virtue.
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On February 01 2018 05:21 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On February 01 2018 04:19 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 03:36 Plansix wrote:So we should declassify information every time a house member decides that they want to write a memo about it and threaten to release it over the objection of the DOJ, FBI and the other half of the committee? Because that might not be that fun for conservatives if the Democrats take the House in 2018. But hey, open up Pandora's box if you think it will work out. I hear hope is at the bottom. Way off. The FBI, after fighting oversight, not even acknowledging the requests for information and then flatly denying it, now wants to debase the conclusions. It took the speaker of the house calling them to heel some 4 months after the cycles of stonewalling to get the promises and the ball rolling. They can go fuck themselves at this point. You didn't even address his question lol I have no interest in addressing stupid tangents founded on faulty pretenses. The process does not succeed or fail on a single member, and attempts to pretend otherwise are just indicative of his unserious treatment of the matter. It’s like you’re operating from the presumption that failure to attach relevance to the issue is a virtue.
Then don’t make stupid statements like the FBI is stone walling anyone. They are not. They know what is in that memo and what it is based on. They are not authorized to declassify it and Nunes has not been able to convince anyone to do it outside of the committee.
Don’t make stupid statements, avoid getting asked stupid questions. EZPZ.
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The State Department has a backlog of 22,000 FOIA requests, so obviously they are stonewalling all of them.
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On February 01 2018 05:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 05:21 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On February 01 2018 04:19 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 03:36 Plansix wrote:So we should declassify information every time a house member decides that they want to write a memo about it and threaten to release it over the objection of the DOJ, FBI and the other half of the committee? Because that might not be that fun for conservatives if the Democrats take the House in 2018. But hey, open up Pandora's box if you think it will work out. I hear hope is at the bottom. Way off. The FBI, after fighting oversight, not even acknowledging the requests for information and then flatly denying it, now wants to debase the conclusions. It took the speaker of the house calling them to heel some 4 months after the cycles of stonewalling to get the promises and the ball rolling. They can go fuck themselves at this point. You didn't even address his question lol I have no interest in addressing stupid tangents founded on faulty pretenses. The process does not succeed or fail on a single member, and attempts to pretend otherwise are just indicative of his unserious treatment of the matter. It’s like you’re operating from the presumption that failure to attach relevance to the issue is a virtue. Then don’t make stupid statements like the FBI is stone walling anyone. They are not. They know what is in that memo and what it is based on. They are not authorized to declassify it and Nunes has not been able to convince anyone to do it outside of the committee. Don’t make stupid statements, avoid getting asked stupid questions. EZPZ.
That has been the history of the house intelligence committee investigation from start to finish. You distract with “blah blah one member wants do declassify blah blah release of memo” ... saying jack shit about the stonewall and jack shit about compliance with oversight. You move the issue and goalposts because you don’t have anything. It’s crazy, but true.
I think you’re deliberately confusing the investigation with the current release of memo when it suits you.
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Not very patriotic to support House Republican partisan attack dogs who have composed a narrative memo containing classified info, and for the first time in history have used an obscure rule allowing them to release classified info, when the FBI and DOJ warn that such release would be dangerous. The oversight clowns are running an interference campaign with the justice system, and that is what Danglars et al are putting their support behind. And that's not even to mention the precedent that's being set.
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CNN reporting Trump asked Rosenstein if he was "on his team", a loyalty oath, in the transition period.
Rosenstein might have to recuse himself at some point if he is actually a witness to an obstruction case. And it seems he actually might be.
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On February 01 2018 04:30 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 04:22 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 04:04 hunts wrote:How are you still defending the party that sold America out to the russians? I thought the narrative was Republicans we’re all up on wild conspiracy theories. Hey, a new Red Scare! That’s the trick—Democrats. Well your people did try to shoot up a pizzaria to free non existant child hostages. If you had paid any attention to the actual happenings and not kept your nose in fox breitbart and zerohedge, you would see that republicans are very literally selling America out to the russians in front of everyones faces, it's literally not a conspiracy theory.
Part of the reason the pizza place got shot up is because people genuinely believed there was something terrible happening (regardless of how crazy that was), and no one was doing anything to stop it.
So as we all watch the President of the US "sell America out to the Russians" I wonder, what are liberals going to do if the entirety of the media, establishment of both parties, and the legal system is unable to stop him or punish him/his administration?
Just shrug and move on?
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On February 01 2018 06:05 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 04:30 hunts wrote:On February 01 2018 04:22 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 04:04 hunts wrote:How are you still defending the party that sold America out to the russians? I thought the narrative was Republicans we’re all up on wild conspiracy theories. Hey, a new Red Scare! That’s the trick—Democrats. Well your people did try to shoot up a pizzaria to free non existant child hostages. If you had paid any attention to the actual happenings and not kept your nose in fox breitbart and zerohedge, you would see that republicans are very literally selling America out to the russians in front of everyones faces, it's literally not a conspiracy theory. Part of the reason the pizza place got shot up is because people genuinely believed there was something terrible happening (regardless of how crazy that was), and no one was doing anything to stop it. So as we all watch the President of the US "sell America out to the Russians" I wonder, what are liberals going to do if the entirety of the media, establishment of both parties, and the legal system is unable to stop him or punish him/his administration? Just shrug and move on?
Obviously we'll gather our militias and Kalashnikovs and retake our freedom.
We're being sarcastic, right?
Let me be clear, GH: I don't need anyone to tell me that Trump's behavior towards Russia and NATO is completely wrong.
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On February 01 2018 06:06 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 06:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 01 2018 04:30 hunts wrote:On February 01 2018 04:22 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 04:04 hunts wrote:How are you still defending the party that sold America out to the russians? I thought the narrative was Republicans we’re all up on wild conspiracy theories. Hey, a new Red Scare! That’s the trick—Democrats. Well your people did try to shoot up a pizzaria to free non existant child hostages. If you had paid any attention to the actual happenings and not kept your nose in fox breitbart and zerohedge, you would see that republicans are very literally selling America out to the russians in front of everyones faces, it's literally not a conspiracy theory. Part of the reason the pizza place got shot up is because people genuinely believed there was something terrible happening (regardless of how crazy that was), and no one was doing anything to stop it. So as we all watch the President of the US "sell America out to the Russians" I wonder, what are liberals going to do if the entirety of the media, establishment of both parties, and the legal system is unable to stop him or punish him/his administration? Just shrug and move on? Obviously we'll gather our militias and AK47s and retake our freedom. We're being sarcastic, right?
That wasn't what I meant to imply. I just mean selling out the country is a pretty big deal and I don't know how liberals could think we have a functioning system if they spend 4 years talking about how unbelievably unfounded and essentially criminal/treasonous the president is just for him to retire wealthier and more powerful than when he started and the US worse off?
It would seem that would force their hand to admit the system is broken if it can't stop a president from selling us out to a foreign enemy for his own personal profit. But I sincerely think "shrug and move on" is the plan for a lot of them.
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On February 01 2018 06:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 06:06 Leporello wrote:On February 01 2018 06:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 01 2018 04:30 hunts wrote:On February 01 2018 04:22 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 04:04 hunts wrote:How are you still defending the party that sold America out to the russians? I thought the narrative was Republicans we’re all up on wild conspiracy theories. Hey, a new Red Scare! That’s the trick—Democrats. Well your people did try to shoot up a pizzaria to free non existant child hostages. If you had paid any attention to the actual happenings and not kept your nose in fox breitbart and zerohedge, you would see that republicans are very literally selling America out to the russians in front of everyones faces, it's literally not a conspiracy theory. Part of the reason the pizza place got shot up is because people genuinely believed there was something terrible happening (regardless of how crazy that was), and no one was doing anything to stop it. So as we all watch the President of the US "sell America out to the Russians" I wonder, what are liberals going to do if the entirety of the media, establishment of both parties, and the legal system is unable to stop him or punish him/his administration? Just shrug and move on? Obviously we'll gather our militias and AK47s and retake our freedom. We're being sarcastic, right? That wasn't what I meant to imply. I just mean selling out the country is a pretty big deal and I don't know how liberals could think we have a functioning system if they spend 4 years talking about how unbelievably unfounded and essentially criminal/treasonous the president is just for him to retire wealthier and more powerful than when he started and the US worse off? It would seem that would force their hand to admit the system is broken if it can't stop a president from selling us out to a foreign enemy.
As a European I would say your system was already broken before Trump.
But the people have a way to get rid of a such a President. Elect a Congress that will impeach him.
The problem in this case imo isn't the system, its that one side is ok with whats happening.
(funny enough in a non 2-party system where multiple parties hold Congress this may well not have happened)
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On February 01 2018 06:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 06:06 Leporello wrote:On February 01 2018 06:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 01 2018 04:30 hunts wrote:On February 01 2018 04:22 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 04:04 hunts wrote:How are you still defending the party that sold America out to the russians? I thought the narrative was Republicans we’re all up on wild conspiracy theories. Hey, a new Red Scare! That’s the trick—Democrats. Well your people did try to shoot up a pizzaria to free non existant child hostages. If you had paid any attention to the actual happenings and not kept your nose in fox breitbart and zerohedge, you would see that republicans are very literally selling America out to the russians in front of everyones faces, it's literally not a conspiracy theory. Part of the reason the pizza place got shot up is because people genuinely believed there was something terrible happening (regardless of how crazy that was), and no one was doing anything to stop it. So as we all watch the President of the US "sell America out to the Russians" I wonder, what are liberals going to do if the entirety of the media, establishment of both parties, and the legal system is unable to stop him or punish him/his administration? Just shrug and move on? Obviously we'll gather our militias and AK47s and retake our freedom. We're being sarcastic, right? That wasn't what I meant to imply. I just mean selling out the country is a pretty big deal and I don't know how liberals could think we have a functioning system if they spend 4 years talking about how unbelievably unfounded and essentially criminal/treasonous the president is just for him to retire wealthier and more powerful than when he started and the US worse off? It would seem that would force their hand to admit the system is broken if it can't stop a president from selling us out to a foreign enemy for his own personal profit. But I sincerely think "shrug and move on" is the plan for a lot of them.
I think the silver-lining to Trump, regardless of "how it ends", is an incoming wave of newfound political activism. And not the kind that comes from people who listen to talk-radio and Fox News.
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On February 01 2018 05:52 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 05:27 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2018 05:21 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On February 01 2018 04:19 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 03:36 Plansix wrote:So we should declassify information every time a house member decides that they want to write a memo about it and threaten to release it over the objection of the DOJ, FBI and the other half of the committee? Because that might not be that fun for conservatives if the Democrats take the House in 2018. But hey, open up Pandora's box if you think it will work out. I hear hope is at the bottom. Way off. The FBI, after fighting oversight, not even acknowledging the requests for information and then flatly denying it, now wants to debase the conclusions. It took the speaker of the house calling them to heel some 4 months after the cycles of stonewalling to get the promises and the ball rolling. They can go fuck themselves at this point. You didn't even address his question lol I have no interest in addressing stupid tangents founded on faulty pretenses. The process does not succeed or fail on a single member, and attempts to pretend otherwise are just indicative of his unserious treatment of the matter. It’s like you’re operating from the presumption that failure to attach relevance to the issue is a virtue. Then don’t make stupid statements like the FBI is stone walling anyone. They are not. They know what is in that memo and what it is based on. They are not authorized to declassify it and Nunes has not been able to convince anyone to do it outside of the committee. Don’t make stupid statements, avoid getting asked stupid questions. EZPZ. That has been the history of the house intelligence committee investigation from start to finish. You distract with “blah blah one member wants do declassify blah blah release of memo” ... saying jack shit about the stonewall and jack shit about compliance with oversight. You move the issue and goalposts because you don’t have anything. It’s crazy, but true. I think you’re deliberately confusing the investigation with the current release of memo when it suits you.
This topic has nothing to do with oversight of the FBI. You keep trying to shift the earth from under us and run to safe ground. This has nothing to do with the FBI stone walling anything.
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On February 01 2018 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 06:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 01 2018 06:06 Leporello wrote:On February 01 2018 06:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 01 2018 04:30 hunts wrote:On February 01 2018 04:22 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 04:04 hunts wrote:How are you still defending the party that sold America out to the russians? I thought the narrative was Republicans we’re all up on wild conspiracy theories. Hey, a new Red Scare! That’s the trick—Democrats. Well your people did try to shoot up a pizzaria to free non existant child hostages. If you had paid any attention to the actual happenings and not kept your nose in fox breitbart and zerohedge, you would see that republicans are very literally selling America out to the russians in front of everyones faces, it's literally not a conspiracy theory. Part of the reason the pizza place got shot up is because people genuinely believed there was something terrible happening (regardless of how crazy that was), and no one was doing anything to stop it. So as we all watch the President of the US "sell America out to the Russians" I wonder, what are liberals going to do if the entirety of the media, establishment of both parties, and the legal system is unable to stop him or punish him/his administration? Just shrug and move on? Obviously we'll gather our militias and AK47s and retake our freedom. We're being sarcastic, right? That wasn't what I meant to imply. I just mean selling out the country is a pretty big deal and I don't know how liberals could think we have a functioning system if they spend 4 years talking about how unbelievably unfounded and essentially criminal/treasonous the president is just for him to retire wealthier and more powerful than when he started and the US worse off? It would seem that would force their hand to admit the system is broken if it can't stop a president from selling us out to a foreign enemy. As a European I would say your system was already broken before Trump. But the people have a way to get rid of a such a President. Elect a Congress that will impeach him. The problem in this case imo isn't the system, its that one side is ok with whats happening. (funny enough in a non 2-party system where multiple parties hold Congress this may well not have happened)
I agree it was broken before Trump when a bunch of big banks robbed people for billions of dollars and their punishment was using profits off free money to pay a portion of it back. Yet people continue banking with them, even as they add new and unreasonable fees.
Your explanation still very much sounds like a problem with the system as well as with us as a people. It's not a "blame it on the Republicans" thing either.
On February 01 2018 06:17 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 06:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 01 2018 06:06 Leporello wrote:On February 01 2018 06:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 01 2018 04:30 hunts wrote:On February 01 2018 04:22 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 04:04 hunts wrote:How are you still defending the party that sold America out to the russians? I thought the narrative was Republicans we’re all up on wild conspiracy theories. Hey, a new Red Scare! That’s the trick—Democrats. Well your people did try to shoot up a pizzaria to free non existant child hostages. If you had paid any attention to the actual happenings and not kept your nose in fox breitbart and zerohedge, you would see that republicans are very literally selling America out to the russians in front of everyones faces, it's literally not a conspiracy theory. Part of the reason the pizza place got shot up is because people genuinely believed there was something terrible happening (regardless of how crazy that was), and no one was doing anything to stop it. So as we all watch the President of the US "sell America out to the Russians" I wonder, what are liberals going to do if the entirety of the media, establishment of both parties, and the legal system is unable to stop him or punish him/his administration? Just shrug and move on? Obviously we'll gather our militias and AK47s and retake our freedom. We're being sarcastic, right? That wasn't what I meant to imply. I just mean selling out the country is a pretty big deal and I don't know how liberals could think we have a functioning system if they spend 4 years talking about how unbelievably unfounded and essentially criminal/treasonous the president is just for him to retire wealthier and more powerful than when he started and the US worse off? It would seem that would force their hand to admit the system is broken if it can't stop a president from selling us out to a foreign enemy for his own personal profit. But I sincerely think "shrug and move on" is the plan for a lot of them. I think the silver-lining to Trump, regardless of "how it ends", is an incoming wave of newfound political activism. And not the kind that comes from people who listen to talk-radio and Fox News.
or the liberals fixated on this investigation tbh.
EDIT: broken may not be quite correct since the constitution was originally intended to empower rich, land owning, white males.
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On February 01 2018 06:02 Doodsmack wrote:
Not very patriotic to support House Republican partisan attack dogs who have composed a narrative memo containing classified info, and for the first time in history have used an obscure rule allowing them to release classified info, when the FBI and DOJ warn that such release would be dangerous. The oversight clowns are running an interference campaign with the justice system, and that is what Danglars et al are putting their support behind. And that's not even to mention the precedent that's being set.
It’s almost like you think calling them “partisan attack dogs” means legislative oversight is invalid. Maybe you should rename oversight to pretty-please.
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To be fair, that was every government out of Europe at the time, only if focused on title and heredity. Empowering educated men that were not connected to the aristocracy was a super liberal idea. One might say revolutionary. The land part was just because we didn’t have great ways of telling who belonged to which state.
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On February 01 2018 06:18 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2018 05:52 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 05:27 Plansix wrote:On February 01 2018 05:21 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:On February 01 2018 04:19 Danglars wrote:On February 01 2018 03:36 Plansix wrote:So we should declassify information every time a house member decides that they want to write a memo about it and threaten to release it over the objection of the DOJ, FBI and the other half of the committee? Because that might not be that fun for conservatives if the Democrats take the House in 2018. But hey, open up Pandora's box if you think it will work out. I hear hope is at the bottom. Way off. The FBI, after fighting oversight, not even acknowledging the requests for information and then flatly denying it, now wants to debase the conclusions. It took the speaker of the house calling them to heel some 4 months after the cycles of stonewalling to get the promises and the ball rolling. They can go fuck themselves at this point. You didn't even address his question lol I have no interest in addressing stupid tangents founded on faulty pretenses. The process does not succeed or fail on a single member, and attempts to pretend otherwise are just indicative of his unserious treatment of the matter. It’s like you’re operating from the presumption that failure to attach relevance to the issue is a virtue. Then don’t make stupid statements like the FBI is stone walling anyone. They are not. They know what is in that memo and what it is based on. They are not authorized to declassify it and Nunes has not been able to convince anyone to do it outside of the committee. Don’t make stupid statements, avoid getting asked stupid questions. EZPZ. That has been the history of the house intelligence committee investigation from start to finish. You distract with “blah blah one member wants do declassify blah blah release of memo” ... saying jack shit about the stonewall and jack shit about compliance with oversight. You move the issue and goalposts because you don’t have anything. It’s crazy, but true. I think you’re deliberately confusing the investigation with the current release of memo when it suits you. This topic has nothing to do with oversight of the FBI. You keep trying to shift the earth from under us and run to safe ground. This has nothing to do with the FBI stone walling anything.
I posted a tweet making the connection.
I wrote after the tweet reiterating the connection.
You responded narrowly on only the release of the memo, tangentially related to the point I was making.
If you think the topic at hand is totally misfounded, maybe speak to why you think so, instead of going off on a tangent and then trying to say I’m shifting the ground. Re-read the original tweet if you’re unsure of the point the author was making. I was right to not indulge all these stupid tangents when it’s like pulling teeth to get a real response on the original topic.
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CNN killing it today -- reporting Strzok, the agent "so unfair" to our poor persecuted President, actually helped write the letter the FBI released a week before the election announcing Hillary was under investigation...
You get that, Danglars?
GH, your nation is undergoing a unique history, and the greatest political crime perhaps in the history of modern democracy. If you want to be indifferent (I wonder why), at least enjoy the show.
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On February 01 2018 06:34 Plansix wrote:
To be fair, that was every government out of Europe at the time, only if focused on title and heredity. Empowering educated men that were not connected to the aristocracy was a super liberal idea. One might say revolutionary. The land part was just because we didn’t have great ways of telling who belonged to which state.
The previously existing aristocracy sure, but they very much made a new one here (with the slightest hint of meritocracy). We need look no further than the response to the state of the union.
On February 01 2018 06:39 Leporello wrote:
CNN killing it today -- reporting Strzok, the agent "so unfair" to our poor persecuted President, actually helped write the letter the FBI released a week before the election announcing Hillary was under investigation...
You get that, Danglars?
GH, your nation is undergoing a unique history, and the greatest political crime perhaps in the history of modern democracy. If you want to be apoplectic (I wonder why), at least enjoy the show.
Let's say it is, I'd prefer not to be enamored with the lights and doodads and "enjoy the show" seeing is that's exactly the point of the never ending distractions and partisanship.
It's sad seeing all this energy that could have been used to organize around policy that would actually help people being focused on every fart and gasp out of this investigation.
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