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Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 18:10:52
January 31 2018 18:00 GMT
#196241


Well, that's over.

Back to investigating the guy that loves Putin and asked him to hack his political opponent and fired the FBI Director for investigating it.

I'm very surprised that a memo written by Nunes and propagated by people like this (and Russian bots) turned out to be less than copacetic.

Big water
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 31 2018 18:02 GMT
#196242
Gowdy's new job.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
January 31 2018 18:14 GMT
#196243
I just wanna see the damn memo. And I want the FBI to clarify what is or is not accurate about it.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 31 2018 18:15 GMT
#196244
It's a bit of a catch 22 because the information is classified
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 31 2018 18:17 GMT
#196245
On February 01 2018 03:14 Mohdoo wrote:
I just wanna see the damn memo. And I want the FBI to clarify what is or is not accurate about it.

why do you want to see that? it seems simpler to just go with the obvious: nunes is spouting misleadin trash; so just ignore it entirely for the worthless garbage it is.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 18:21:12
January 31 2018 18:18 GMT
#196246
On February 01 2018 03:14 Mohdoo wrote:
I just wanna see the damn memo. And I want the FBI to clarify what is or is not accurate about it.

I want Donald Trump's tax-returns and loan-statements. Those are things we historically should have (less so on the loan-statements, but in Trump's case, with massive foreign loans, they're easily called for).
Big water
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 31 2018 18:31 GMT
#196247


They had their shot to be cooperative with oversight committees. Now, it’s time to release the summary memo and primary source documents supporting it.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 18:37:18
January 31 2018 18:36 GMT
#196248
On February 01 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/padman4321/status/958384122572898304

They had their shot to be cooperative with oversight committees. Now, it’s time to release the summary memo and primary source documents supporting it.

So we should declassify information every time a house member decides that they want to write a memo about it and threaten to release it over the objection of the DOJ, FBI and the other half of the committee? Because that might not be that fun for conservatives if the Democrats take the House in 2018. But hey, open up Pandora's box if you think it will work out. I hear hope is at the bottom.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9617 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 19:22:29
January 31 2018 18:43 GMT
#196249
it’s funny that you ask for the source material backing it up as if that has any possibility.

Hey guys i’ve got PROOF that Danglars is an actual robot. he’ll say it’s not true but you can’t believe him because that’s exactly what a robot would say. Check. Mate.

yea that’s just not a sane persons method of declassifying data. and people are out there eating this shit up. grossly incompetent. it’s offensive to our collective intelligence that this argument actually has traction.

if nunes had the stones to just have it leaked at the start before using it as this absurd tool to further discredit the agency on nothing but his own word, which lacked credibility before the charade, i’d give it a fair read. but to instead use this batshit nonsense as a means to declassify it and rally up a base, compromised clearly of total fools, is not inspiring.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
January 31 2018 18:45 GMT
#196250
On January 31 2018 22:18 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 21:20 iamthedave wrote:
On January 31 2018 19:11 Grumbels wrote:
On January 31 2018 13:59 hunts wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:41 xDaunt wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:34 Introvert wrote:
Despite disagreements and the fact that these pagents are insufferable, that was as good as you could have hoped. And for a SOTU...

That was a fantastic speech -- one that is going to haunt democrats. No other republican would have had the balls to get up there and unapologetically dismantle one anti-American democrat position after another and then steal their lunch money on some easy bipartisan issues.


The only anti American thing in politics is the republican party that has literally sold our country out to russia, and the voter base like you that are complicit with it or even cheer it on.

I'm always confused by this idea that calling half of all Americans "traitor liberal communist baby-murdering scum" is not seen as anti-American.

My suspicion is that culture war attacks tend to be based on projection, finding your own insecurities conveniently manifested in your enemies.


Look at the rightist posters on here. Thinking the other side is evil is pretty solidly American these days. Seems like they ought to lose the 'U' in 'USA' if things don't drastically swing back in the other direction post-Trump. I think the left/right divisions are going to get deeper and nastier all the way through Trump's reign.

Honestly, a good catchy description of the left-vs-right divide could be:

The right loves America, but hates Americans
The left hates America, but loves Americans.

It's rather oversimplified and sentimental, but there is a grain of truth in it.


Yeah I can see that. I quite like it, flaws accepted.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 31 2018 18:55 GMT
#196251
On February 01 2018 03:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Gowdy's new job.

https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/958756387038941184


Kind of crazy that one of those spots has been open since 2005.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
January 31 2018 19:04 GMT
#196252
On February 01 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/padman4321/status/958384122572898304

They had their shot to be cooperative with oversight committees. Now, it’s time to release the summary memo and primary source documents supporting it.


How are you still defending the party that sold America out to the russians?
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
January 31 2018 19:10 GMT
#196253
On February 01 2018 04:04 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/padman4321/status/958384122572898304

They had their shot to be cooperative with oversight committees. Now, it’s time to release the summary memo and primary source documents supporting it.


How are you still defending the party that sold America out to the russians?


Be raised republican --> natural psychology flaws that make people see their parents as particularly good or respectable people --> come to view religion/politics as a part of family identity and thus your own identity --> defend til death.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21666 Posts
January 31 2018 19:12 GMT
#196254
On February 01 2018 04:04 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/padman4321/status/958384122572898304

They had their shot to be cooperative with oversight committees. Now, it’s time to release the summary memo and primary source documents supporting it.


How are you still defending the party that sold America out to the russians?

By not believe that is what happened.

Just don't pay attention to the flashing neon sign that the latest handing of sanctions represents.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
January 31 2018 19:18 GMT
#196255
On February 01 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/padman4321/status/958384122572898304

They had their shot to be cooperative with oversight committees. Now, it’s time to release the summary memo and primary source documents supporting it.

As usual, I'm unclear what the allegation is. The current FBI director, Christopher Wray (a Trump appointee, who I assume had nothing to do with either 2016 FISA warrants or the email investigation) apparently opposes releasing the memo because it "contains inaccurate information and paints a false narrative."

Is Wray one of the suspected wrongdoers? Or is the tweet you just shared way, way off base?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 31 2018 19:19 GMT
#196256
On February 01 2018 03:36 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/padman4321/status/958384122572898304

They had their shot to be cooperative with oversight committees. Now, it’s time to release the summary memo and primary source documents supporting it.

So we should declassify information every time a house member decides that they want to write a memo about it and threaten to release it over the objection of the DOJ, FBI and the other half of the committee? Because that might not be that fun for conservatives if the Democrats take the House in 2018. But hey, open up Pandora's box if you think it will work out. I hear hope is at the bottom.

Way off. The FBI, after fighting oversight, not even acknowledging the requests for information and then flatly denying it, now wants to debase the conclusions. It took the speaker of the house calling them to heel some 4 months after the cycles of stonewalling to get the promises and the ball rolling. They can go fuck themselves at this point.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
January 31 2018 19:22 GMT
#196257
On February 01 2018 04:19 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2018 03:36 Plansix wrote:
On February 01 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/padman4321/status/958384122572898304

They had their shot to be cooperative with oversight committees. Now, it’s time to release the summary memo and primary source documents supporting it.

So we should declassify information every time a house member decides that they want to write a memo about it and threaten to release it over the objection of the DOJ, FBI and the other half of the committee? Because that might not be that fun for conservatives if the Democrats take the House in 2018. But hey, open up Pandora's box if you think it will work out. I hear hope is at the bottom.

Way off. The FBI, after fighting oversight, not even acknowledging the requests for information and then flatly denying it, now wants to debase the conclusions. It took the speaker of the house calling them to heel some 4 months after the cycles of stonewalling to get the promises and the ball rolling. They can go fuck themselves at this point.


You didn't even address his question lol
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 31 2018 19:22 GMT
#196258
On February 01 2018 04:04 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/padman4321/status/958384122572898304

They had their shot to be cooperative with oversight committees. Now, it’s time to release the summary memo and primary source documents supporting it.


How are you still defending the party that sold America out to the russians?

I thought the narrative was Republicans we’re all up on wild conspiracy theories. Hey, a new Red Scare! That’s the trick—Democrats.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
January 31 2018 19:28 GMT
#196259
On February 01 2018 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2018 04:19 Danglars wrote:
On February 01 2018 03:36 Plansix wrote:
On February 01 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/padman4321/status/958384122572898304

They had their shot to be cooperative with oversight committees. Now, it’s time to release the summary memo and primary source documents supporting it.

So we should declassify information every time a house member decides that they want to write a memo about it and threaten to release it over the objection of the DOJ, FBI and the other half of the committee? Because that might not be that fun for conservatives if the Democrats take the House in 2018. But hey, open up Pandora's box if you think it will work out. I hear hope is at the bottom.

Way off. The FBI, after fighting oversight, not even acknowledging the requests for information and then flatly denying it, now wants to debase the conclusions. It took the speaker of the house calling them to heel some 4 months after the cycles of stonewalling to get the promises and the ball rolling. They can go fuck themselves at this point.


You didn't even address his question lol

It's always fun when someone can prod Dangles into dropping the pretense of a principled inquiry while revealing the clearly partisan animus beneath. When asked earlier why he thinks the whole of the FBI is tainted, he insisted that wasn't what he was arguing for. Now it's quite obvious that it is, angry pejorative and all.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
January 31 2018 19:30 GMT
#196260
On February 01 2018 04:22 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2018 04:04 hunts wrote:
On February 01 2018 03:31 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/padman4321/status/958384122572898304

They had their shot to be cooperative with oversight committees. Now, it’s time to release the summary memo and primary source documents supporting it.


How are you still defending the party that sold America out to the russians?

I thought the narrative was Republicans we’re all up on wild conspiracy theories. Hey, a new Red Scare! That’s the trick—Democrats.


Well your people did try to shoot up a pizzaria to free non existant child hostages. If you had paid any attention to the actual happenings and not kept your nose in fox breitbart and zerohedge, you would see that republicans are very literally selling America out to the russians in front of everyones faces, it's literally not a conspiracy theory.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
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