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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 05:43:47
January 31 2018 05:12 GMT
#196201
On January 31 2018 12:52 Plansix wrote:


twitter.com/rabiasquared/status/958538139542413316

And Trump is making shit up about immigration again, FYI. And this follow up tweet is super good.

irrc spouse, children and siblings, but sponsoring immigrants actually means a lot. You need something like 125% income above poverty for the household or assets as proof. And you're on the hook for their success until they become a citizen.

Now that i think about it i actually don't know how children become citizens. I should probably look that up later.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 31 2018 05:13 GMT
#196202
And the president railing against people protesting, demanding they respect the flag. Jefferson would not demand people stand, for that is something a king would do.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 31 2018 05:16 GMT
#196203
On January 31 2018 14:12 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 12:52 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/FullMetalBitch3/status/958537519884365824

twitter.com/rabiasquared/status/958538139542413316

And Trump is making shit up about immigration again, FYI. And this follow up tweet is super good.

irrc spouse and children and siblings, but sponsoring immigrants actually means a lot. You need something like 125% income above poverty for the household or assets as proof. And you're on the hook for their success until they become a citizen.

Don’t tell that’s folks trying to limit immigration. They are convinced all the extended family free loads of the system. It’s a nasty myth that refuses to die.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 31 2018 05:29 GMT
#196204
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
January 31 2018 05:29 GMT
#196205
Just read the SOTU transcript. Not bad, even if I do have key disagreements with his assertions throughout. I expect his core support base will be happy and his dedicated opposition will not be.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 31 2018 05:43 GMT
#196206
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
January 31 2018 05:45 GMT
#196207
On January 31 2018 14:12 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 12:52 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/FullMetalBitch3/status/958537519884365824

twitter.com/rabiasquared/status/958538139542413316

And Trump is making shit up about immigration again, FYI. And this follow up tweet is super good.

irrc spouse and children and siblings, but sponsoring immigrants actually means a lot. You need something like 125% income above poverty for the household or assets as proof. And you're on the hook for their success until they become a citizen.

I'm in the process of sponsoring 3 Canadian family members for green cards. It's a long, grueling process that costs thousands. I pity those who have to go through all this with less resources at their disposal than I. Takes some dedication for sure.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 31 2018 06:25 GMT
#196208
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 07:23:42
January 31 2018 07:19 GMT
#196209
Trumps approval is in the gutter...all you need to know really. Trump is not himself at a SOTU. There’s just too much of a contrast between his tweets while he’s eating cheeseburgers and his SOTU presentation. But, Hillary’s Emails.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
January 31 2018 08:49 GMT
#196210
On January 31 2018 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I would not be surprised if before 2020 the GOP calls for elections being delayed at this rate.



You know if there was any week for the "total authoritarian control act" of 2018 to enter the discussion, it'd be this one :|

Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
January 31 2018 10:11 GMT
#196211
On January 31 2018 13:59 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 12:41 xDaunt wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:34 Introvert wrote:
Despite disagreements and the fact that these pagents are insufferable, that was as good as you could have hoped. And for a SOTU...

That was a fantastic speech -- one that is going to haunt democrats. No other republican would have had the balls to get up there and unapologetically dismantle one anti-American democrat position after another and then steal their lunch money on some easy bipartisan issues.


The only anti American thing in politics is the republican party that has literally sold our country out to russia, and the voter base like you that are complicit with it or even cheer it on.

I'm always confused by this idea that calling half of all Americans "traitor liberal communist baby-murdering scum" is not seen as anti-American.

My suspicion is that culture war attacks tend to be based on projection, finding your own insecurities conveniently manifested in your enemies.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 11:38:16
January 31 2018 11:16 GMT
#196212
On January 31 2018 19:11 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 13:59 hunts wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:41 xDaunt wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:34 Introvert wrote:
Despite disagreements and the fact that these pagents are insufferable, that was as good as you could have hoped. And for a SOTU...

That was a fantastic speech -- one that is going to haunt democrats. No other republican would have had the balls to get up there and unapologetically dismantle one anti-American democrat position after another and then steal their lunch money on some easy bipartisan issues.


The only anti American thing in politics is the republican party that has literally sold our country out to russia, and the voter base like you that are complicit with it or even cheer it on.

I'm always confused by this idea that calling half of all Americans "traitor liberal communist baby-murdering scum" is not seen as anti-American.

My suspicion is that culture war attacks tend to be based on projection, finding your own insecurities conveniently manifested in your enemies.

They're all secretly communists? Nah, I think they're genuinely convinced of this stuff. Just like many Americans genuinely think pills are the answer to happiness and thus consume them in vast quantities.

Why are they convinced? Mass projection seems like a stretch. The more obvious answer is that people are dumb and easily manipulated and the US media + laws allow for this to happen.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5583 Posts
January 31 2018 11:47 GMT
#196213
On January 31 2018 16:19 Doodsmack wrote:
Trumps approval is in the gutter...all you need to know really. Trump is not himself at a SOTU. There’s just too much of a contrast between his tweets while he’s eating cheeseburgers and his SOTU presentation. But, Hillary’s Emails.

The fundamental attribute of any politician is they're desperate never to show you themselves to begin with. Not when they're reciting someone else's words from the teleprompter anyway. Having access to Trump's genuine bluster is just a bonus.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
January 31 2018 12:20 GMT
#196214
On January 31 2018 19:11 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 13:59 hunts wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:41 xDaunt wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:34 Introvert wrote:
Despite disagreements and the fact that these pagents are insufferable, that was as good as you could have hoped. And for a SOTU...

That was a fantastic speech -- one that is going to haunt democrats. No other republican would have had the balls to get up there and unapologetically dismantle one anti-American democrat position after another and then steal their lunch money on some easy bipartisan issues.


The only anti American thing in politics is the republican party that has literally sold our country out to russia, and the voter base like you that are complicit with it or even cheer it on.

I'm always confused by this idea that calling half of all Americans "traitor liberal communist baby-murdering scum" is not seen as anti-American.

My suspicion is that culture war attacks tend to be based on projection, finding your own insecurities conveniently manifested in your enemies.


Look at the rightist posters on here. Thinking the other side is evil is pretty solidly American these days. Seems like they ought to lose the 'U' in 'USA' if things don't drastically swing back in the other direction post-Trump. I think the left/right divisions are going to get deeper and nastier all the way through Trump's reign.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
January 31 2018 12:40 GMT
#196215
On January 31 2018 21:20 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:11 Grumbels wrote:
On January 31 2018 13:59 hunts wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:41 xDaunt wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:34 Introvert wrote:
Despite disagreements and the fact that these pagents are insufferable, that was as good as you could have hoped. And for a SOTU...

That was a fantastic speech -- one that is going to haunt democrats. No other republican would have had the balls to get up there and unapologetically dismantle one anti-American democrat position after another and then steal their lunch money on some easy bipartisan issues.


The only anti American thing in politics is the republican party that has literally sold our country out to russia, and the voter base like you that are complicit with it or even cheer it on.

I'm always confused by this idea that calling half of all Americans "traitor liberal communist baby-murdering scum" is not seen as anti-American.

My suspicion is that culture war attacks tend to be based on projection, finding your own insecurities conveniently manifested in your enemies.


Look at the rightist posters on here. Thinking the other side is evil is pretty solidly American these days. Seems like they ought to lose the 'U' in 'USA' if things don't drastically swing back in the other direction post-Trump. I think the left/right divisions are going to get deeper and nastier all the way through Trump's reign.

That's true, but as the '18 election will show, that line is going to move in a direction away from where it lies today and on the day Trump was elected.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 31 2018 12:47 GMT
#196216
On January 31 2018 21:20 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:11 Grumbels wrote:
On January 31 2018 13:59 hunts wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:41 xDaunt wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:34 Introvert wrote:
Despite disagreements and the fact that these pagents are insufferable, that was as good as you could have hoped. And for a SOTU...

That was a fantastic speech -- one that is going to haunt democrats. No other republican would have had the balls to get up there and unapologetically dismantle one anti-American democrat position after another and then steal their lunch money on some easy bipartisan issues.


The only anti American thing in politics is the republican party that has literally sold our country out to russia, and the voter base like you that are complicit with it or even cheer it on.

I'm always confused by this idea that calling half of all Americans "traitor liberal communist baby-murdering scum" is not seen as anti-American.

My suspicion is that culture war attacks tend to be based on projection, finding your own insecurities conveniently manifested in your enemies.


Look at the rightist posters on here. Thinking the other side is evil is pretty solidly American these days. Seems like they ought to lose the 'U' in 'USA' if things don't drastically swing back in the other direction post-Trump. I think the left/right divisions are going to get deeper and nastier all the way through Trump's reign.

very likely they will; since that's been the trend line for a long time, and no reason to expect it to stop now.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2646 Posts
January 31 2018 13:08 GMT
#196217
On January 31 2018 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I would not be surprised if before 2020 the GOP calls for elections being delayed at this rate.

https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/958528764027207680

That is ridiculous and will never ever happen.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
January 31 2018 13:18 GMT
#196218
On January 31 2018 21:20 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 19:11 Grumbels wrote:
On January 31 2018 13:59 hunts wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:41 xDaunt wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:34 Introvert wrote:
Despite disagreements and the fact that these pagents are insufferable, that was as good as you could have hoped. And for a SOTU...

That was a fantastic speech -- one that is going to haunt democrats. No other republican would have had the balls to get up there and unapologetically dismantle one anti-American democrat position after another and then steal their lunch money on some easy bipartisan issues.


The only anti American thing in politics is the republican party that has literally sold our country out to russia, and the voter base like you that are complicit with it or even cheer it on.

I'm always confused by this idea that calling half of all Americans "traitor liberal communist baby-murdering scum" is not seen as anti-American.

My suspicion is that culture war attacks tend to be based on projection, finding your own insecurities conveniently manifested in your enemies.


Look at the rightist posters on here. Thinking the other side is evil is pretty solidly American these days. Seems like they ought to lose the 'U' in 'USA' if things don't drastically swing back in the other direction post-Trump. I think the left/right divisions are going to get deeper and nastier all the way through Trump's reign.

Honestly, a good catchy description of the left-vs-right divide could be:

The right loves America, but hates Americans
The left hates America, but loves Americans.

It's rather oversimplified and sentimental, but there is a grain of truth in it.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 31 2018 13:52 GMT
#196219
On January 31 2018 22:08 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I would not be surprised if before 2020 the GOP calls for elections being delayed at this rate.

https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/958528764027207680

That is ridiculous and will never ever happen.

It is. But I’ve seen similar concerns about the 2018 election and other things in general from folks I wouldn’t expect. I think it reflects a general distrust in our institutions and the people in power, well beyond the standard dislike of politicians. The recent statements from the speaker and the efforts to undermine the FBI is really problematic.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 31 2018 14:11 GMT
#196220


This should be a yes or no question. It should really just be “No”.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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