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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24782 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 02:51:58
January 31 2018 02:50 GMT
#196161
Towards the end here I'm seeing some suggestions that actually sound good to me. Vocational schools, paid leave, empower people who serve their sentences to be able to actually have a life.

Parading the parents of children murdered by gang members doesn't seem very classy. Then asking them to stand...

On January 31 2018 11:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
All of a sudden the GOP supports Paid Family Leave. Either this a jump the shark moment or the Democrats are that fucking stupid to let Trump of all people get the jump on such an issue.

I don't understand this criticism of the Democrats. They almost definitely support some paid family leave but they can't really do anything about it without someone reaching across from the right. Note that the republican congressman may not agree with some of those proposals in the speech.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 02:58:27
January 31 2018 02:57 GMT
#196162
Democrats have been pushing paid family leave more than a decade. I don’t know what the fuck blue is prattling on about. Trump seems tame, but that is a trick we have seen before.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 31 2018 02:59 GMT
#196163
Really where is the ad campaign or the town halls advocating it, last time I checked Pelosi was caught threatening Democrats funding if they move left.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 03:01:44
January 31 2018 03:00 GMT
#196164
On January 31 2018 11:50 micronesia wrote:
Towards the end here I'm seeing some suggestions that actually sound good to me. Vocational schools, paid leave, empower people who serve their sentences to be able to actually have a life.

Parading the parents of children murdered by gang members doesn't seem very classy. Then asking them to stand...

Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 11:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
All of a sudden the GOP supports Paid Family Leave. Either this a jump the shark moment or the Democrats are that fucking stupid to let Trump of all people get the jump on such an issue.

I don't understand this criticism of the Democrats. They almost definitely support some paid family leave but they can't really do anything about it without someone reaching across from the right. Note that the republican congressman may not agree with some of those proposals in the speech.

Grain of salt. I've seen Trump put forward a few decent ideas in the past, only to walk it back when somebody gets a hold of him. Primary example being when he met with big pharma to cut medication prices and... didn't.

But if it ever starts getting discussed in the legislature, the R's will shoot it down and Trump will complain that the D's aren't helping. The canoe will continue drifting down the creek.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 03:04:40
January 31 2018 03:04 GMT
#196165
Pretty much.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24782 Posts
January 31 2018 03:04 GMT
#196166
One thing that particularly bothered me with Trump saying that we will fight the drug/OD epidemic by being tougher on dealers and pushers. That shows a blatant and complete misunderstanding of the problem which I would think shouldn't have made it into the vetted speech.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 31 2018 03:06 GMT
#196167
On January 31 2018 11:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Really where is the ad campaign or the town halls advocating it, last time I checked Pelosi was caught threatening Democrats funding if they move left.

Obama was pushing for it in 2015. What drugs are you on?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 31 2018 03:06 GMT
#196168
That is Stephen Miller speak for more minorities in Private Prisons.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 03:09:41
January 31 2018 03:08 GMT
#196169
On January 31 2018 12:04 micronesia wrote:
One thing that particularly bothered me with Trump saying that we will fight the drug/OD epidemic by being tougher on dealers and pushers. That shows a blatant and complete misunderstanding of the problem which I would think shouldn't have made it into the vetted speech.

maybe he went off script? he does have a history of that.
it's not like he actually cares about the problem or trying to address it. and him talking stuff that makes no sense compared to an actual understanding of the situation is pretty routine.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
January 31 2018 03:09 GMT
#196170
biggest nukes ever yea
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 31 2018 03:11 GMT
#196171
Just realized this could easily be a rehash of a 1950's SOTU.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 03:15:16
January 31 2018 03:12 GMT
#196172
They don’t understand the crisis. It barely registers in DC. If we want to talk about out of touch, 60k deaths a year and the Republican Congress are barely debated the issue. They don’t care or their sponsors are making a mint of sales.

https://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/health/drug-firms-shipped-m-pain-pills-to-wv-town-with/article_ef04190c-1763-5a0c-a77a-7da0ff06455b.html

It’s hard to believe Trump will do anything when it is thing naked. This is legalized drug dealing by corporations.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 03:18:44
January 31 2018 03:13 GMT
#196173
On January 31 2018 12:09 riotjune wrote:
biggest nukes ever yea

what is this in reference to? not all of us are watching it.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 31 2018 03:13 GMT
#196174
On January 31 2018 12:13 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 12:09 riotjune wrote:
biggest nukes ever yea

what is this in reference to? not all of us are watching it.


He wants to build more Nuclear Bombs.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32750 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 03:16:10
January 31 2018 03:14 GMT
#196175
On January 31 2018 12:13 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 12:09 riotjune wrote:
biggest nukes ever yea

what is this in reference to? not all of us are watching it.

Updating the U.S. nuclear arsenal for deterrence against other threats.

Trump saying he is in favour of keeping Guantanamo Bay up.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 03:18:40
January 31 2018 03:16 GMT
#196176
On January 31 2018 12:14 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 12:13 zlefin wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:09 riotjune wrote:
biggest nukes ever yea

what is this in reference to? not all of us are watching it.

Updating the U.S. nuclear arsenal for deterrence against other threats.

Others planets. Because we can destroy this one right now.

He did not poop his pants in congress, so prepare for praise that he was presidential.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 03:21:01
January 31 2018 03:20 GMT
#196177


I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 31 2018 03:22 GMT
#196178
On January 31 2018 12:14 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2018 12:13 zlefin wrote:
On January 31 2018 12:09 riotjune wrote:
biggest nukes ever yea

what is this in reference to? not all of us are watching it.

Updating the U.S. nuclear arsenal for deterrence against other threats.

Trump saying he is in favour of keeping Guantanamo Bay up.

ah, so the usual machismo money-wasting nonsense.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 03:25:58
January 31 2018 03:25 GMT
#196179
So the US is now trying to sell a war with N. Korea:



"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24137 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-31 03:28:17
January 31 2018 03:27 GMT
#196180
On January 31 2018 12:12 Plansix wrote:
They don’t understand the crisis. It barely registers in DC. If we want to talk about out of touch, 60k deaths a year and the Republican Congress are barely debated the issue. They don’t care or their sponsors are making a mint of sales.

https://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/health/drug-firms-shipped-m-pain-pills-to-wv-town-with/article_ef04190c-1763-5a0c-a77a-7da0ff06455b.html

It’s hard to believe Trump will do anything when it is thing naked. This is legalized drug dealing by corporations.


The drug manufacturers sponsor both sides of the aisle.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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