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On January 18 2018 07:36 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +Exclusive: Trump vows to campaign intensively for Republicans, may avoid primaries
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Wednesday that he plans to devote much of his time this year to helping Republicans maintain control of the U.S. Congress, but suggested he may stay out of divisive intra-party primary fights.
“I am going to spend probably four or five days a week helping people because we need more Republicans,” the Republican president said in an interview with Reuters. “To get the real agenda through, we need more Republicans.”
[...] source: www.reuters.comRead up to that point and couldn't stop laughing... The guy is golfing something like 1/3 of his time... so basicly, 2-3days golf + 4-5 days being on tour to help get other Republicans get elected. Not a lot of week left to do actual President stuff then, is there?
Weirdly enough, having a majority in both houses does not lead to less in fighting. Democrats had this problem. The GOP has this problem on a different scale. Winning super majority to push your agenda is a failing plan. Get a better agenda.
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On January 18 2018 07:10 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 07:07 Velr wrote:
Who cares?
Let the evangelicals drown in it... Bring it up again and again.. Fuck them... All the evangelicals care about is tough talk on abortion. 2016 showed them to be single issue voters.
Not just abortion, also religious freedom. Evangelicals are beginning to, and have, embraced the supposedly oh-so-logical reasoning of "you HAVE to vote for x." The Democrat party hates them and actively opposes many of their priorities.
What I can't stand is the dishonest excuse making ("No, Trump is really a good man!"), but when it comes to the voting it makes perfect sense.
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On January 18 2018 07:43 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 07:10 Mohdoo wrote:On January 18 2018 07:07 Velr wrote:
Who cares?
Let the evangelicals drown in it... Bring it up again and again.. Fuck them... All the evangelicals care about is tough talk on abortion. 2016 showed them to be single issue voters. Not just abortion, also religious freedom. Evangelicals are beginning to, and have, embraced the supposedly oh-so-logical reasoning of "you HAVE to vote for x." The Democrat party hates them and actively opposes many of their priorities. What I can't stand is the dishonest excuse making ("No, Trump is really a good man!"), but when it comes to the voting it makes perfect sense.
My wife has a couple relatives in the Bible belt area who were peddling that excuse. It is pretty repugnant and I can barely stand to be around them once politics comes up.
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On January 18 2018 07:43 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 07:10 Mohdoo wrote:On January 18 2018 07:07 Velr wrote:
Who cares?
Let the evangelicals drown in it... Bring it up again and again.. Fuck them... All the evangelicals care about is tough talk on abortion. 2016 showed them to be single issue voters. Not just abortion, also religious freedom. Evangelicals are beginning to, and have, embraced the supposedly oh-so-logical reasoning of "you HAVE to vote for x." The Democrat party hates them and actively opposes many of their priorities. What I can't stand is the dishonest excuse making ("No, Trump is really a good man!"), but when it comes to the voting it makes perfect sense.
yeah, pity they care more about toug htalk on religious freedom rather than actual religious freedom; or rights for people in general.
It's unfortunate, but not much to be done;
the dishonest excuse making is indeed very annoying.
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Fuck due process, let us deport these brown people. Also use them for labor during while they are in detention, because why not.
I will be surprised if the Court takes that up.
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On January 18 2018 04:40 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 03:06 mozoku wrote:On January 18 2018 02:08 Plansix wrote:On January 18 2018 01:59 mozoku wrote:On January 18 2018 00:59 IyMoon wrote:On January 18 2018 00:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So much for blaming Democrats.
Nah, this is still on the dems. How can you be expected to get your whole party to vote for something? Nah this is 100% on the dems /s I'm not sure how it makes more sense to blame a small faction of dissenting Republicans willing to shut down the government than the entire Democratic party. Is partisanship supposed to be a virtue now? What kind of mental gymnastics is this? I blame all congressmen voting to shut down our government and hurt the country. Last time that was the GOP. This time it's both parties, but mostly Dems. Hence they get a larger share of the blame in my book. I'll grant you that I don't believe the GOP would be any better if the situations were reversed, but that still doesn't make this a good look for the self-proclaimed "party of adults." Obviously this assumes the shutdown actually occurs, so I'll reserve judgment until that actually happens. The real person to blame is the President, who blindsided both parties by saying he would sign anything one day and then going on a racist rant when the deal was presented to him. The Democrats are being told by their voters not to give an inch after those comments and the Republicans are pushing for a harder line on immigration. He backed both sides into a corner where they cannot compromise by changing his mind. This is a case of Trump not understanding that politician’s word needs to be their bond. If they say they are going to do something, they need to do it. We joke about them being dishonest, but they can’t lie to each other. It doesn’t work with lawyers and it doesn’t work in politics. I would buy this if it wasn't Dems that leaked the upsetting comments in the first place. You don't get to blame "political pressure" when you intentionally manufactured that political pressure in the first place. In no functioning democracy should an (unpopular, no less) President's private language be affecting public policy. This was never a moral issue. I doubt there's a single Democrat alive that believes this incident is going to tone down Trump's rhetoric. If you can't stomach a racist's comments in a private conversation for the sake of not jeopardizing policy, you're not enough of an adult to be fit for office. The negative effects of that leak were blindingly obvious. I'm not absolving Trump of blame as there's no reason to use that language in professional environment, but the harm should be contained to the setting. It shouldn't be tangibly affecting the entire country. It's reminiscent of when sometimes the Chinese people get overeager in their anti-Japanese or anti-Korean sentiment and the CCP tries to tamp it down for diplomatic reasons. When that happens, I blame the CCP for whipping up latent anti-X sentiment with their propaganda for decades for their own benefit ("the real enemy isn't us, it's those Japs!"), not the people themselves. The President's private language expressing his public policy opinion is certainly affecting public policy. By the way Republicans including Lindsey Graham confirmed publicly what was said and also, apparently, spread the word around immediately after the meeting. It was bound to come out when it's a meeting with Congressmen about very public legislation that's going forward. For you to brush it off as private language is part of a pattern of excusing Trump's conduct which far outweighs the reaction in significance.
When did I excuse Trump of anything? Read again fella:
I'm not absolving Trump of blame as there's no reason to use that language in professional environment, but the harm should be contained to the setting. It shouldn't be tangibly affecting the entire country.
The difference between you and I appears to be that I believe that the impropriety isn't limited to the first actor in the chain. Yes, what Trump said is inappropriate. However, it serves nobody's interest for Democrats to go into necessary conniptions over his language. Literally nobody has benefited from this leak. Trump is like 73, gives no shits what anyone thinks, for elected in part because of these shenanigans, and will likely be out of office in 3 years. He's not going to change his schtick. I expect my lawmakers, if they want to be perceived as worthy of any respect, to have the prudence and self-restraint to both realize that far more people will be hurt as a result of the reaction to Trump's action than by Trump's action itself, and act accordingly.
That this meeting "wasn't private" is a bunch of post-hoc nonsense that I'm pretty sure Plansix just made up because he heard there was over 10 people in the room. When you're speaking in a professional setting, the expectation is that not all of your words are intended for the public. Reports are that there was various other "rough talk" and "cussing" around the room, which is pretty inconsistent with the idea that everyone was policing their words for the occasion. F-bombs are not uncommon at either of the workplaces I've been in (a large and prominent tech company and a bank)--and not just from the plebs at all--so it hardly shocks me that people would use rough language during professional meetings in the slimepit that is Washington either.
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On January 18 2018 08:00 mozoku wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 04:40 Doodsmack wrote:On January 18 2018 03:06 mozoku wrote:On January 18 2018 02:08 Plansix wrote:On January 18 2018 01:59 mozoku wrote:On January 18 2018 00:59 IyMoon wrote:Nah, this is still on the dems. How can you be expected to get your whole party to vote for something? Nah this is 100% on the dems /s I'm not sure how it makes more sense to blame a small faction of dissenting Republicans willing to shut down the government than the entire Democratic party. Is partisanship supposed to be a virtue now? What kind of mental gymnastics is this? I blame all congressmen voting to shut down our government and hurt the country. Last time that was the GOP. This time it's both parties, but mostly Dems. Hence they get a larger share of the blame in my book. I'll grant you that I don't believe the GOP would be any better if the situations were reversed, but that still doesn't make this a good look for the self-proclaimed "party of adults." Obviously this assumes the shutdown actually occurs, so I'll reserve judgment until that actually happens. The real person to blame is the President, who blindsided both parties by saying he would sign anything one day and then going on a racist rant when the deal was presented to him. The Democrats are being told by their voters not to give an inch after those comments and the Republicans are pushing for a harder line on immigration. He backed both sides into a corner where they cannot compromise by changing his mind. This is a case of Trump not understanding that politician’s word needs to be their bond. If they say they are going to do something, they need to do it. We joke about them being dishonest, but they can’t lie to each other. It doesn’t work with lawyers and it doesn’t work in politics. I would buy this if it wasn't Dems that leaked the upsetting comments in the first place. You don't get to blame "political pressure" when you intentionally manufactured that political pressure in the first place. In no functioning democracy should an (unpopular, no less) President's private language be affecting public policy. This was never a moral issue. I doubt there's a single Democrat alive that believes this incident is going to tone down Trump's rhetoric. If you can't stomach a racist's comments in a private conversation for the sake of not jeopardizing policy, you're not enough of an adult to be fit for office. The negative effects of that leak were blindingly obvious. I'm not absolving Trump of blame as there's no reason to use that language in professional environment, but the harm should be contained to the setting. It shouldn't be tangibly affecting the entire country. It's reminiscent of when sometimes the Chinese people get overeager in their anti-Japanese or anti-Korean sentiment and the CCP tries to tamp it down for diplomatic reasons. When that happens, I blame the CCP for whipping up latent anti-X sentiment with their propaganda for decades for their own benefit ("the real enemy isn't us, it's those Japs!"), not the people themselves. The President's private language expressing his public policy opinion is certainly affecting public policy. By the way Republicans including Lindsey Graham confirmed publicly what was said and also, apparently, spread the word around immediately after the meeting. It was bound to come out when it's a meeting with Congressmen about very public legislation that's going forward. For you to brush it off as private language is part of a pattern of excusing Trump's conduct which far outweighs the reaction in significance. When did I excuse Trump of anything? Read again fella: Show nested quote +I'm not absolving Trump of blame as there's no reason to use that language in professional environment, but the harm should be contained to the setting. It shouldn't be tangibly affecting the entire country. The difference between you and I appears to be that I believe that the impropriety isn't limited to the first actor in the chain. Yes, what Trump said is inappropriate. However, it serves nobody's interest for Democrats to go into necessary conniptions over his language. Literally nobody has benefited from this leak. Trump is like 73, gives no shits what anyone thinks, for elected in part because of these shenanigans, and will likely be out of office in 3 years. He's not going to change his schtick. I expect my lawmakers, if they want to be perceived as worthy of any respect, to have the prudence and self-restraint to both realize that far more people will be hurt as a result of the reaction to Trump's action than by Trump's action itself, and act accordingly. That this meeting "wasn't private" is a bunch of post-hoc nonsense that I'm pretty sure Plansix just made up because he heard there was over 10 people in the room. When you're speaking in a professional setting, the expectation is that not all of your words are intended for the public. Reports are that there was various other "rough talk" and "cussing" around the room, which is pretty inconsistent with the idea that everyone was policing their words for the occasion. F-bombs are not uncommon at either of the workplaces I've been in (a large and prominent tech company and a bank)--and not just from the plebs at all--so it hardly shocks me that people would use rough language during professional meetings in the slimepit that is Washington either.
You're misunderstanding the argument. It's not about cussing, it is about the racial undertones of what he said. I am sure racism was handled very differently at your companies compared to cussing. People cuss at my job as well. Racism is strictly zero.
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I freely admit that Trump argues too much with other world leaders but his business acumen is really impressive. The man knows how to make money and get businesses to redevelop & grow & spend money here in the US. Now Apple is joining Toyota in adding another American factory. Jobs are the key factor that drive the US economy so this is what we need right now.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-building-new-campus-hiring-20000-new-employees-2018-1
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On January 18 2018 08:04 A3th3r wrote:I freely admit that Trump argues too much with other world leaders but his business acumen is really impressive. The man knows how to make money and get businesses to redevelop & grow & spend money here in the US. Now Apple is joining Toyota in adding another American factory. Jobs are the key factor that drive the US economy so this is what we need right now. http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-building-new-campus-hiring-20000-new-employees-2018-1
Yeah, being born rich and inheriting lots of money is really impressive. Not a lot of people manage to do that. And then managing to not lose that amount of money and make it grow at roughly the same rate as putting it into a fund is really amazing.
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On January 18 2018 08:00 mozoku wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 04:40 Doodsmack wrote:On January 18 2018 03:06 mozoku wrote:On January 18 2018 02:08 Plansix wrote:On January 18 2018 01:59 mozoku wrote:On January 18 2018 00:59 IyMoon wrote:Nah, this is still on the dems. How can you be expected to get your whole party to vote for something? Nah this is 100% on the dems /s I'm not sure how it makes more sense to blame a small faction of dissenting Republicans willing to shut down the government than the entire Democratic party. Is partisanship supposed to be a virtue now? What kind of mental gymnastics is this? I blame all congressmen voting to shut down our government and hurt the country. Last time that was the GOP. This time it's both parties, but mostly Dems. Hence they get a larger share of the blame in my book. I'll grant you that I don't believe the GOP would be any better if the situations were reversed, but that still doesn't make this a good look for the self-proclaimed "party of adults." Obviously this assumes the shutdown actually occurs, so I'll reserve judgment until that actually happens. The real person to blame is the President, who blindsided both parties by saying he would sign anything one day and then going on a racist rant when the deal was presented to him. The Democrats are being told by their voters not to give an inch after those comments and the Republicans are pushing for a harder line on immigration. He backed both sides into a corner where they cannot compromise by changing his mind. This is a case of Trump not understanding that politician’s word needs to be their bond. If they say they are going to do something, they need to do it. We joke about them being dishonest, but they can’t lie to each other. It doesn’t work with lawyers and it doesn’t work in politics. I would buy this if it wasn't Dems that leaked the upsetting comments in the first place. You don't get to blame "political pressure" when you intentionally manufactured that political pressure in the first place. In no functioning democracy should an (unpopular, no less) President's private language be affecting public policy. This was never a moral issue. I doubt there's a single Democrat alive that believes this incident is going to tone down Trump's rhetoric. If you can't stomach a racist's comments in a private conversation for the sake of not jeopardizing policy, you're not enough of an adult to be fit for office. The negative effects of that leak were blindingly obvious. I'm not absolving Trump of blame as there's no reason to use that language in professional environment, but the harm should be contained to the setting. It shouldn't be tangibly affecting the entire country. It's reminiscent of when sometimes the Chinese people get overeager in their anti-Japanese or anti-Korean sentiment and the CCP tries to tamp it down for diplomatic reasons. When that happens, I blame the CCP for whipping up latent anti-X sentiment with their propaganda for decades for their own benefit ("the real enemy isn't us, it's those Japs!"), not the people themselves. The President's private language expressing his public policy opinion is certainly affecting public policy. By the way Republicans including Lindsey Graham confirmed publicly what was said and also, apparently, spread the word around immediately after the meeting. It was bound to come out when it's a meeting with Congressmen about very public legislation that's going forward. For you to brush it off as private language is part of a pattern of excusing Trump's conduct which far outweighs the reaction in significance. When did I excuse Trump of anything? Read again fella: Show nested quote +I'm not absolving Trump of blame as there's no reason to use that language in professional environment, but the harm should be contained to the setting. It shouldn't be tangibly affecting the entire country. The difference between you and I appears to be that I believe that the impropriety isn't limited to the first actor in the chain. Yes, what Trump said is inappropriate. However, it serves nobody's interest for Democrats to go into necessary conniptions over his language. Literally nobody has benefited from this leak. Trump is like 73, gives no shits what anyone thinks, for elected in part because of these shenanigans, and will likely be out of office in 3 years. He's not going to change his schtick. I expect my lawmakers, if they want to be perceived as worthy of any respect, to have the prudence and self-restraint to both realize that far more people will be hurt as a result of the reaction to Trump's action than by Trump's action itself, and act accordingly. That this meeting "wasn't private" is a bunch of post-hoc nonsense that I'm pretty sure Plansix just made up because he heard there was over 10 people in the room. When you're speaking in a professional setting, the expectation is that not all of your words are intended for the public. Reports are that there was various other "rough talk" and "cussing" around the room, which is pretty inconsistent with the idea that everyone was policing their words for the occasion. F-bombs are not uncommon at either of the workplaces I've been in (a large and prominent tech company and a bank)--and not just from the plebs at all--so it hardly shocks me that people would use rough language during professional meetings in the slimepit that is Washington either.
Say fuck at a meeting, watch what happens.
Now say 'fuck Niggers', watch what happens.
Cussing isn't the problem. Racist remarks is.
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On January 18 2018 08:03 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 08:00 mozoku wrote:On January 18 2018 04:40 Doodsmack wrote:On January 18 2018 03:06 mozoku wrote:On January 18 2018 02:08 Plansix wrote:On January 18 2018 01:59 mozoku wrote:On January 18 2018 00:59 IyMoon wrote:Nah, this is still on the dems. How can you be expected to get your whole party to vote for something? Nah this is 100% on the dems /s I'm not sure how it makes more sense to blame a small faction of dissenting Republicans willing to shut down the government than the entire Democratic party. Is partisanship supposed to be a virtue now? What kind of mental gymnastics is this? I blame all congressmen voting to shut down our government and hurt the country. Last time that was the GOP. This time it's both parties, but mostly Dems. Hence they get a larger share of the blame in my book. I'll grant you that I don't believe the GOP would be any better if the situations were reversed, but that still doesn't make this a good look for the self-proclaimed "party of adults." Obviously this assumes the shutdown actually occurs, so I'll reserve judgment until that actually happens. The real person to blame is the President, who blindsided both parties by saying he would sign anything one day and then going on a racist rant when the deal was presented to him. The Democrats are being told by their voters not to give an inch after those comments and the Republicans are pushing for a harder line on immigration. He backed both sides into a corner where they cannot compromise by changing his mind. This is a case of Trump not understanding that politician’s word needs to be their bond. If they say they are going to do something, they need to do it. We joke about them being dishonest, but they can’t lie to each other. It doesn’t work with lawyers and it doesn’t work in politics. I would buy this if it wasn't Dems that leaked the upsetting comments in the first place. You don't get to blame "political pressure" when you intentionally manufactured that political pressure in the first place. In no functioning democracy should an (unpopular, no less) President's private language be affecting public policy. This was never a moral issue. I doubt there's a single Democrat alive that believes this incident is going to tone down Trump's rhetoric. If you can't stomach a racist's comments in a private conversation for the sake of not jeopardizing policy, you're not enough of an adult to be fit for office. The negative effects of that leak were blindingly obvious. I'm not absolving Trump of blame as there's no reason to use that language in professional environment, but the harm should be contained to the setting. It shouldn't be tangibly affecting the entire country. It's reminiscent of when sometimes the Chinese people get overeager in their anti-Japanese or anti-Korean sentiment and the CCP tries to tamp it down for diplomatic reasons. When that happens, I blame the CCP for whipping up latent anti-X sentiment with their propaganda for decades for their own benefit ("the real enemy isn't us, it's those Japs!"), not the people themselves. The President's private language expressing his public policy opinion is certainly affecting public policy. By the way Republicans including Lindsey Graham confirmed publicly what was said and also, apparently, spread the word around immediately after the meeting. It was bound to come out when it's a meeting with Congressmen about very public legislation that's going forward. For you to brush it off as private language is part of a pattern of excusing Trump's conduct which far outweighs the reaction in significance. When did I excuse Trump of anything? Read again fella: I'm not absolving Trump of blame as there's no reason to use that language in professional environment, but the harm should be contained to the setting. It shouldn't be tangibly affecting the entire country. The difference between you and I appears to be that I believe that the impropriety isn't limited to the first actor in the chain. Yes, what Trump said is inappropriate. However, it serves nobody's interest for Democrats to go into necessary conniptions over his language. Literally nobody has benefited from this leak. Trump is like 73, gives no shits what anyone thinks, for elected in part because of these shenanigans, and will likely be out of office in 3 years. He's not going to change his schtick. I expect my lawmakers, if they want to be perceived as worthy of any respect, to have the prudence and self-restraint to both realize that far more people will be hurt as a result of the reaction to Trump's action than by Trump's action itself, and act accordingly. That this meeting "wasn't private" is a bunch of post-hoc nonsense that I'm pretty sure Plansix just made up because he heard there was over 10 people in the room. When you're speaking in a professional setting, the expectation is that not all of your words are intended for the public. Reports are that there was various other "rough talk" and "cussing" around the room, which is pretty inconsistent with the idea that everyone was policing their words for the occasion. F-bombs are not uncommon at either of the workplaces I've been in (a large and prominent tech company and a bank)--and not just from the plebs at all--so it hardly shocks me that people would use rough language during professional meetings in the slimepit that is Washington either. You're misunderstanding the argument. It's not about cussing, it is about the racial undertones of what he said. I am sure racism was handled very differently at your companies compared to cussing. People cuss at my job as well. Racism is strictly zero.
The President of the United States called other nations across the world shitholes. And he called the people coming from those nations undesirable. The President of the United states does not get to do that and not face a ton of blow back. The folks who can’t grasp that don’t understand the office or politics in general. Saying it in-front of your political opposition is beyond stupid. Saying it in a room that assures it will be leaked is even dumber.
On January 18 2018 08:08 Simberto wrote:Yeah, being born rich and inheriting lots of money is really impressive. Not a lot of people manage to do that. And then managing to not lose that amount of money and make it grow at roughly the same rate as putting it into a fund is really amazing.
And a lot of business people who have dealt with him are not impressed with this business skills. Like most of the banks in NYC, who black balled him.
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I'd bet the Court is going to undo what this ridiculous judge did by a comfortable margin. The Supreme Court still has some thoughtfulness and dignity that these headline chasing #resistance judges do not.
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On January 18 2018 08:00 mozoku wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 04:40 Doodsmack wrote:On January 18 2018 03:06 mozoku wrote:On January 18 2018 02:08 Plansix wrote:On January 18 2018 01:59 mozoku wrote:On January 18 2018 00:59 IyMoon wrote:Nah, this is still on the dems. How can you be expected to get your whole party to vote for something? Nah this is 100% on the dems /s I'm not sure how it makes more sense to blame a small faction of dissenting Republicans willing to shut down the government than the entire Democratic party. Is partisanship supposed to be a virtue now? What kind of mental gymnastics is this? I blame all congressmen voting to shut down our government and hurt the country. Last time that was the GOP. This time it's both parties, but mostly Dems. Hence they get a larger share of the blame in my book. I'll grant you that I don't believe the GOP would be any better if the situations were reversed, but that still doesn't make this a good look for the self-proclaimed "party of adults." Obviously this assumes the shutdown actually occurs, so I'll reserve judgment until that actually happens. The real person to blame is the President, who blindsided both parties by saying he would sign anything one day and then going on a racist rant when the deal was presented to him. The Democrats are being told by their voters not to give an inch after those comments and the Republicans are pushing for a harder line on immigration. He backed both sides into a corner where they cannot compromise by changing his mind. This is a case of Trump not understanding that politician’s word needs to be their bond. If they say they are going to do something, they need to do it. We joke about them being dishonest, but they can’t lie to each other. It doesn’t work with lawyers and it doesn’t work in politics. I would buy this if it wasn't Dems that leaked the upsetting comments in the first place. You don't get to blame "political pressure" when you intentionally manufactured that political pressure in the first place. In no functioning democracy should an (unpopular, no less) President's private language be affecting public policy. This was never a moral issue. I doubt there's a single Democrat alive that believes this incident is going to tone down Trump's rhetoric. If you can't stomach a racist's comments in a private conversation for the sake of not jeopardizing policy, you're not enough of an adult to be fit for office. The negative effects of that leak were blindingly obvious. I'm not absolving Trump of blame as there's no reason to use that language in professional environment, but the harm should be contained to the setting. It shouldn't be tangibly affecting the entire country. It's reminiscent of when sometimes the Chinese people get overeager in their anti-Japanese or anti-Korean sentiment and the CCP tries to tamp it down for diplomatic reasons. When that happens, I blame the CCP for whipping up latent anti-X sentiment with their propaganda for decades for their own benefit ("the real enemy isn't us, it's those Japs!"), not the people themselves. The President's private language expressing his public policy opinion is certainly affecting public policy. By the way Republicans including Lindsey Graham confirmed publicly what was said and also, apparently, spread the word around immediately after the meeting. It was bound to come out when it's a meeting with Congressmen about very public legislation that's going forward. For you to brush it off as private language is part of a pattern of excusing Trump's conduct which far outweighs the reaction in significance. When did I excuse Trump of anything? Read again fella: Show nested quote +I'm not absolving Trump of blame as there's no reason to use that language in professional environment, but the harm should be contained to the setting. It shouldn't be tangibly affecting the entire country. The difference between you and I appears to be that I believe that the impropriety isn't limited to the first actor in the chain. Yes, what Trump said is inappropriate. However, it serves nobody's interest for Democrats to go into necessary conniptions over his language. Literally nobody has benefited from this leak. Trump is like 73, gives no shits what anyone thinks, for elected in part because of these shenanigans, and will likely be out of office in 3 years. He's not going to change his schtick. I expect my lawmakers, if they want to be perceived as worthy of any respect, to have the prudence and self-restraint to both realize that far more people will be hurt as a result of the reaction to Trump's action than by Trump's action itself, and act accordingly. That this meeting "wasn't private" is a bunch of post-hoc nonsense that I'm pretty sure Plansix just made up because he heard there was over 10 people in the room. When you're speaking in a professional setting, the expectation is that not all of your words are intended for the public. Reports are that there was various other "rough talk" and "cussing" around the room, which is pretty inconsistent with the idea that everyone was policing their words for the occasion. F-bombs are not uncommon at either of the workplaces I've been in (a large and prominent tech company and a bank)--and not just from the plebs at all--so it hardly shocks me that people would use rough language during professional meetings in the slimepit that is Washington either.
Being painfully aware of what it actually means to have someone who doesn't give a damn in power is really important. Many people, including a good few who didn't vote in the last elections, are going to remember how bad it can be. The fact that this particular story has gained so much traction and seems to have generated quite substantial discussion, in a climate where even extreme stories are in and out, is proof of its importance. Real transparency and an understanding of why you never let people like Trump near office is not something that comes easily and without cost, and you cannot know which reveals will make a difference. The discussion has to be kept open, in the court of culture the jury isn't the brightest, it takes time and a disgusting amount of evidence and discussion to gain an inch.
Further, if we are going to equate swearing with the expression of extreme prejudice against potential immigrants on racist grounds then we might as well have this discussion in a language neither of us understand because we'd have as good a chance of even seeing the same issue in doing so.
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On January 18 2018 08:13 Introvert wrote:I'd bet the Court is going to undo what this ridiculous judge did by a comfortable margin. The Supreme Court still has some thoughtfulness and dignity that these headline chasing #resistance judges do not.
Please explain why the TRO that was allowed didn’t meet the minimum requirement of irreparable harm because the DACA recipients would be deported. It said clearly that the case should be heard on the merits before anyone is deported. Because there is nothing ridiculous about that order.
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On January 18 2018 08:04 A3th3r wrote:I freely admit that Trump argues too much with other world leaders but his business acumen is really impressive. The man knows how to make money and get businesses to redevelop & grow & spend money here in the US. Now Apple is joining Toyota in adding another American factory. Jobs are the key factor that drive the US economy so this is what we need right now. http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-building-new-campus-hiring-20000-new-employees-2018-1
Too bad a ton of his businesses went backrupt and he's bad at making jobs, despite being able to piggyback on Obama's policies.
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The injunction stopping them from deporting will be upheld for the same reason as the injunction on stopping Green Card holders from entering the country wasn't challenged. You can't just throw out people who are lawfully allowed to be in the country.
And until the full DACA court case is resolved these people are in the US legally.
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On January 18 2018 08:15 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 08:13 Introvert wrote:I'd bet the Court is going to undo what this ridiculous judge did by a comfortable margin. The Supreme Court still has some thoughtfulness and dignity that these headline chasing #resistance judges do not. Please explain why the TRO that was allowed didn’t meet the minimum requirement of irreparable harm because the DACA recipients would be deported. It said clearly that the case should be heard on the merits before anyone is deported. Because there is nothing ridiculous about that order.
Yeah, acting like this judge is some unqualified spotlight chasing celebrity pulling an obstruction out of thin air is not exactly a good representation of the situation on Introvert's part. There's a reason for that injunction, as you point out, a pretty damn good one.
But the head of the executive branch did pardon Arpaio and the Attorney General has committed perjury so I guess we aren't living in the worlds of reason or law anymore.
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On January 18 2018 07:10 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 07:07 Velr wrote:
Who cares?
Let the evangelicals drown in it... Bring it up again and again.. Fuck them... All the evangelicals care about is tough talk on abortion. 2016 showed them to be single issue voters.
I wonder if all the abortion issue voters are happy with what the Republicans have done with their control of all 3 branches of the government.
The House passed a bill banning abortion after 20 weeks. It has yet to be voted on in the Senate. I think they defunded some international non-government organizations if they offer or talk about abortion options. Then there was the removal of an Obama rule that said states can't withhold funding from family planning services that offer abortion. The healthcare plan to defund Planned Parenthood failed.
Are voters that want abortion to be illegal actually happy with what they've accomplished?
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Someone at Fox is getting fired for posting this.
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