US Politics Mega-thread - Page 9625

On January 03 2018 23:02 Danglars wrote:

Bro, you're missing the point.



Two questions mustaju:
1. How long do you read back before deciding that someone is more responsible than others for attacking in the thread?
2. Will you add something constructively to the discussion instead of accusing people of bad faith? Take your pick. If you need some prompting, knowing what you know of Trump, do you think liberals angry with the use of the term "rocket man" encourage or discourage his continued use of it?

On January 04 2018 00:13 Gorsameth wrote:

Are you trying to imply there is a difference between his actions on Twitter and his actions everywhere else?

And still ignoring the blame.

On January 04 2018 00:42 Danglars wrote:

Yes. Twitter is a social media platform famous for it's trolls. The President, through his subordinates in the executive branch and his party, agitates for policy and runs his bureaucracy. Social media is not the same thing as the executive branch of the American republic. Acting like ignoring his twitter trolling would be like ignoring his policies and administrative incompetence proves you're incompetent at analysis.

On January 04 2018 00:13 Gorsameth wrote:

Are you trying to imply there is a difference between his actions on Twitter and his actions everywhere else?

And still ignoring the blame.

On January 04 2018 00:52 Aveng3r wrote:

Can you be less unpleasant when you respond to people in here

Honest to God man I'm 5 pages back and you are being a condescending dick to literally everyone.

On January 04 2018 00:51 Danglars wrote:

I have very little time for people that exist only to ask pointed questions. Why does every single post of your contain an attack?

I present the history and ... well ... maybe your real beef is with micronesia and you stopped your logical progression before that point. I have read your theory that I'm like Cernovich and his ilk. Sorry if I don't exist to fit myself in one of two groups according to your theory. Perhaps you won't ever get it, so I will stop repeating myself, but my wrap up is: The latest brouhaha was a guy that thought noting that reactions of outrage feeds Trump implied that I was excusing the responsibility of Trump for his own messages or assigning too little responsibility to voters for sending him to office. I answered that he threw all the nuance out the window, because I'm clearly counseling a positive course of action for liberals since they have a deliberate provoker in the White House, and he thinks I'm absolving the president of personal responsibility. If he never got the nuance in the first place, I'm very disinclined to answer future stupidly phrased questions that preassume I said something I didn't.

One addenda: Misreading the post and saying "never mind about any of that, I came away with this impression of you, now defend yourself, coward" is a pretty dunderheaded angle (directed at micronesia). Looking at our back and forth and hating on one side's attacks is likewise a poor response (directed at you mustaju). In a world where TeamLiquid's moderation standards and behavior of thread leftists recruited more conservatives rather than discourage their posting, I'd have time to feed every false question from a poster that won't even comment constructively on the matter at hand before proceeding to inquisition. As it stands, I have respondents from the other side of the argument at a ratio varying from 1-to-5 to 1-to-10. Now I have demands that posters show some level of understanding of the (1) the original post-response and (2) develop their argument from premises found in the thread and not in their own constructions within their head before answering questions. Maybe you're used to operating within left-leaning bubbles, so I forgive your first approach and maybe we can get somewhere in future.

On January 03 2018 23:14 brian wrote:
I’d be angry if he started using racial slurs on the daily too but i don’t think that’s a very good reason to say ‘maybe stop getting so angry about it and he’ll stop.’

he’s the president of the united states, not a high school bully. why would you treat him like one? and do you think treating the president of the united states like a high school bully is truly the best course of action?

you’re pretending to offer counsel and say the obvious question is unwarranted but it’s not. at what point do you stop blaming the liberals? I would’ve imagined this is a bridge too far. No, it is not the liberals fault he can’t help himself from name calling. This would seem to be apparent since he’s been doing it since before he started campaigning. But perhaps it’s not apparent to all.

On January 03 2018 23:28 Danglars wrote:

1. You're pretending to offer counsel.
2. You're really just blaming liberals.
3. It's not liberal's fault he can't help himself from name calling.

The logical leaps are very athletic of you. Have you ever engaged on twitter with a twitter troll? Tell me, did responding with outrage and demands to stop ever yield that kind of behavior change you asked for? Do you think repeated demands (I guess you're referring to Pocahontas as some kind of 'racial slur,' but I really have no idea) are likely to get less of the behavior or more of the behavior?

On January 03 2018 16:01 mozoku wrote:

Apologies for late reply. Busy work day.

You're making the exact mistake that I thought you would, and mistakenly attributing to the government that which is actually the result of technology-driven economic shifts.

First mistake: the middle class isn't simply deteriorating away into poverty. It's bifurcating into winners and losers, which is the expected outcome of the shift to the knowledge economy and globalization. The driver of inequality, therefore, isn't government policy but economic shifts. Unions are part of this story, as it's a global trend. While globalization has certainly hurt American laborers and benefited higher earners, it's also brought raised the living standards of untold millions, if not billions, in the developing world. You can make a valid argument that the US should be prioritizing its domestic workers ahead of foreigners, but liberals and leftists who believe the US government is out to screw the middle class almost invariably despise the nationalist/protectionist view so that isn't your ticket either.

Next mistake: blaming the US tax code. Granted the tax code just changed, but the previous tax regime had been the most progressive tax code among developed countries. However, the progressive tax revenue hasn't been redistributed to the middle- and lower- classes. I suspect that has to do with the fact that America subsidizes a large share of the world's defense--seeing as most of the developed world spends about a than a third of as much on defense as the US (as a share of GDP, which is already somewhat biased against the US). [1] [2]

There's one reason you listed that I haven't yet touched: social programs. The two that I commonly hear about are education and healthcare. US healthcare is a mess, but there's been highly publicized efforts from both sides to reform the system in the past decade. The system will likely look completely different in another 10 years.

The suggested education policies I've seen that focus on expanding college access are moronic, as I've explained in an earlier post.
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Despite all of the crying about lobbyists, campaign funding, Trump's profiting off the presidency, etc., there isn't much actual evidence that all of this has amounted to policies that have destroyed the middle class to line the pockets of the rich. The reality is that the shift in income in favor the upper and upper-middle class are economy and technology-driven, and that the government can't simply wave a magic wand to fix the problem.

Health care seems like the lowest hanging fruit, and unsurprisingly it's been the biggest political issue of the past two presidencies.

On January 03 2018 16:01 mozoku wrote:

Apologies for late reply. Busy work day.

You're making the exact mistake that I thought you would, and mistakenly attributing to the government that which is actually the result of technology-driven economic shifts.

First mistake: the middle class isn't simply deteriorating away into poverty. It's bifurcating into winners and losers, which is the expected outcome of the shift to the knowledge economy and globalization. The driver of inequality, therefore, isn't government policy but economic shifts. Unions are part of this story, as it's a global trend. While globalization has certainly hurt American laborers and benefited higher earners, it's also brought raised the living standards of untold millions, if not billions, in the developing world. You can make a valid argument that the US should be prioritizing its domestic workers ahead of foreigners, but liberals and leftists who believe the US government is out to screw the middle class almost invariably despise the nationalist/protectionist view so that isn't your ticket either.

Next mistake: blaming the US tax code. Granted the tax code just changed, but the previous tax regime had been the most progressive tax code among developed countries. However, the progressive tax revenue hasn't been redistributed to the middle- and lower- classes. I suspect that has to do with the fact that America subsidizes a large share of the world's defense--seeing as most of the developed world spends about a than a third of as much on defense as the US (as a share of GDP, which is already somewhat biased against the US). [1] [2]

There's one reason you listed that I haven't yet touched: social programs. The two that I commonly hear about are education and healthcare. US healthcare is a mess, but there's been highly publicized efforts from both sides to reform the system in the past decade. The system will likely look completely different in another 10 years.

The suggested education policies I've seen that focus on expanding college access are moronic, as I've explained in an earlier post.
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Despite all of the crying about lobbyists, campaign funding, Trump's profiting off the presidency, etc., there isn't much actual evidence that all of this has amounted to policies that have destroyed the middle class to line the pockets of the rich. The reality is that the shift in income in favor the upper and upper-middle class are economy and technology-driven, and that the government can't simply wave a magic wand to fix the problem.

Health care seems like the lowest hanging fruit, and unsurprisingly it's been the biggest political issue of the past two presidencies.

On January 04 2018 01:07 brian wrote:


what are you even talking about here? like i said, he’s not a twitter troll. he’s not a high school bully. why do you suggest treating him like one? he’s the president. so your honest belief is treating the president of the united states like a high school bully is the best course of action?

what logical leaps are you talking about? you said in plain english that you’re trying to offer advice. are you not blaming liberals when you say ‘stop outraging and he’ll stop?’ and lastly yes, it is not the liberals fault he can’t help himself from name calling.

is this personal to you? sorry if you were offended by anything i said. but it seems clear you’re blaming liberals here, and so the question remains, when is it//where is the line that you don’t?

On January 04 2018 01:28 Danglars wrote:

If he acts like one on social media, you should respond like you're dealing with one on social media.

No harm intended personally to you or others. We just disagree on tactics and implications. I don't think dealing with Trump's twitter activities tactically necessarily means liberals are at fault for his actions.

On January 03 2018 07:49 sc-darkness wrote:
Why can't this guy shut up for once and not call him Rocket-man? North Korea might do the opposite to show they're not threatened. Not that I'm a fan of them, but reverse psychology isn't uncommon.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948194400114487296