US Politics Mega-thread - Page 9523

On December 14 2017 12:32 ShakeN_blake wrote:


31% of Sweden's population in 30 years and nearly 20% of Germany, France, Belgium and the U.K. Europe has NEVER been faced with a Muslim demographic crisis as severe as this. How can you be so naive otherwise? Once their population grows large enough to elect their own political parties to office, there will be nothing stopping them from governing Sharia Law. It make take 70, 80 or 90 years yet, but this change is inevitable and even their Imam's themselves are aware of this. They don't shy away from gloating about their inevitable conquest either.

Our grandchildren will never forgive us for selling out their future just to virtue-signal about tolerance and diversity.

On December 14 2017 12:35 Aquanim wrote:

I'll grant you that large-scale immigration into Europe is causing short-to-medium term problems but I don't see how a bunch of poor migrants is analogous to technologically advanced colonists taking over, exploiting or straight-up exterminating the locals with their superior technology, and shipping resources back home.

It seems thoroughly implausible to me that these immigrants are somehow going to take over and subjugate Europe. Causing some unrest is an entirely different question.

On December 14 2017 12:16 ShakeN_blake wrote:
Yes actually, the right-wing had the correct answers. It involved protecting our borders instead of allowing the mass influx of culturally-incompatible young men to rape our women en masse (see Cologne as just one example), while also dramatically spiking murders and terrorism. What we needed was to limit the welfare state while encouraging Europeans to boost their reproduction rates with lower taxes and an emphasis on family values instead of cancerous third-wave feminism.

Over the next decade, roughly one third of our workforce is going to be replaced by automation. Which jobs in particular? The very ones you described, but also transportation. Y'know, truck driving and other jobs that don't require high education. Why then would you support the mass importation of unskilled third world migrants if they have no job prospects and are destined to leech off the welfare state? That's what happened in Germany: 1.2 million refugees over the past two years and only 38,000 have found jobs. Automation is survival of the fittest because you cannot stop progress. Isn't that what Leftists have been trying to tell every rust-belt coal miner who voted for Trump?

Which begs the question: whose side are you really on when you claim to fight for the working class -- the people already struggling for work in Europe or the hordes of migrants eager to replace them?

Would you be content with African capital cities being flooded with White immigrants until Blacks became minorities? Based on your previous arguments regarding White Colonialism, the answer would be no. So drop your bullshit about right-wing propaganda and admit already that the reverse scenario of Europe being colonized is true. Perhaps if pressured enough, you'll concede that the West IS being conquered, but you're simply indifferent due to a pathological hatred for the White race and it's wretched "patriarchy." I've seen this pattern many times before.



You are so woefully naive. Based on our current trajectory, Western Europe and Sweden are doomed to become an Islamic Caliphate by end of the century thanks to mass migration and significant disparities in reproduction rates. This Pew Research report gives us an appropriate outlook but only scratches the surface since it doesn't account for illegal or non-white immigration in general, only legal-Islamic.

http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/?utm_content=buffer53c40&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

On December 14 2017 12:42 ShakeN_blake wrote:


Demography is destiny. They will replace us and subjugate Europe in time because European culture has become weak and submissive. We are the only culture that thinks demographic replacement is a meritorious act. How do you propose to stop Sharia Law when Whites are a minority in their own countries?

Try convincing the Israelis to have open borders and invite the entire third world into their country like Sweden has. Surely they wouldn't mind becoming minorities in their homelands to a fatally hostile Muslim population? Diversity is our strength, after all. It's not like Israel would cease to exist as a Jewish homeland or anything . . .

On December 14 2017 12:37 Plansix wrote:

I feel like schools have done a poor job of explaining the Ottoman Empires existence and explains that there are 1.5 billions Muslims in the world. We've made it through all of human history with a lot of Muslims in and around Europe. There are huge swaths of the world with bunches of Muslims and no Sharia Law. Also Sharia Law is just common law for Muslims.

But we get it: the brown people who pray 5 times a day are scary.

On December 14 2017 12:33 mozoku wrote:

At what point do you think China was capable of conquering and enslaving the world? This is the most egregious historical misstatement I've seen so far, with the possible exception of the rest of your post.

The Yuan dynasty was really "we were conquered and ruled by the Mongols (who mostly left us alone)" so I have no idea what you're talking about. I have no idea how you're equating the Mongols capturing both China and their western territories with the Yuan dynasty taking over the world. That makes literally no sense. Next I bet you'll be telling me about the time India saved Europe from the Nazis during WW2.

On December 14 2017 11:34 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:


Your refusal to see subtext, narrative or implication in daunt's statements (which deliberately omit huge amounts of context and history to make that narrative work) doesn't mean it isn't there. Your blindness or deliberate ignorance of racism and white supremacy doesn't mean it isn't there.

To give you totally undue benefit of the doubt, I'll make an example of what I mean, and if you can't see why his statement is clearly white supremacy, that's on you. Here we go, the one chance I'll give you, because I don't have the energy for this crap

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I'm South African, so I know the context here a lot better than most of you arguing about it academically. I LIVE this place every day, and interact with people affected by it regularly.

Apartheid only ended in 1994, the "born free" have barely entered tertiary education and the workplace. ~90% of the population was heavily disadvantaged by multiple generations of deliberately crap ("Bantu") education. Major cities have had populations moved back and forth, with people of colour being packed into slums and losing all established property time and again.

So collectively wealth distribution is totally screwed up, with a substantial amount of the money generated by industry and natural resources immediately leaving the country, or going to mining magnates and such, without it ever influencing local economies (in large part due to colonial history, having a system set up where half your potential economy gets siphoned away is not a gift)

Further, due to intense crowding after population redistribution in rural areas, a lot of farm land has been destroyed by overgrazing. So again, you can't use any of that "imperial wisdom" or whatever the fresh fuck daunt is talking about, because you literally can't use much of the land as a direct result of colonial policies.

Back to the education thing, the situation is that people of colour (again, 90% of population) have been forcibly denied a usable education (with varying degrees of this depending on "how far from white" the group in question was deemed to be). How can a country be expected to use all that "colonial knowledge" when that is not at all what the population was given? There was no trade, no way in which the interference of colonial powers gave back, none of that was imparted. It's not even that no attempt was made, the population was deliberately, across generations, denied any chance to seek that.

And then, when apartheid ends, the new ruling party comes into a system with a totally uneducated majority population, spread across a huge country with terrible rural infrastructure. With no existing government structure in place, and a population that is incredibly susceptible to populism (and incredibly poor), no shit corruption wins out. Every possible check and balance either doesn't exist or has been actively torn out by the previous colonial system. It's like letting go of a whole arrangement of glassware 10 feet above the ground and crapping the system out for not catching it all with two hands.

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So given that, when daunt talks about how Africa just didn't recover despite having access to some or other aspect of western culture or whatever, and deliberately ignores WHY, and then follows it up with this:



The only conclusion that makes any sense, putting the pieces together daunt has very very very clearly laid out (his opinion on those in Africa as being uncivilized + his observation that Africa did not economically recover after colonialism) is racial / cultural supremacy. And given the fucking huge spread of different cultures and societies in Europe and Africa, and the very common practice of racists to hide behind arguments of culture, I see no reason to give any benefit of the doubt.

The quote I put above, for example, is so disgustingly callous. The reason he doesn't think Africa should experience colonialism again (responsible for some of the worst atrocities of last two centuries) is not because of the people's lives it will destroy (if he considers the people it would affect people at all) but because those people can't be civilized.

I really hope that that helped spell it out for you.
I'm not doing so again.

On December 14 2017 12:43 Uldridge wrote:


Yes, let people who run from war and poverty die in the area we've meddled with. Fuck other people!
Cologne was sexual assault. I didn't know groping women was equal to rape. I bet you've never had a culture shock. It doesn't excuse them, but in the context of their strict prude culture, it makes a bit more sense.
Show me number of how dramatic the spike in terror and murder has become since they've arrived, please.
I agree with you on family values, however. The problem is still not solved by people wanting to reproduce. And it's especially not solved by abolishing a welfare state, because both people in a relationship already need to work full time. you'd either have to increase wages, or give tax breaks or give subsidies, because core family values AND 2+ children per family don't go well with the current economic situation. Dumping the children in a creche isn't the answer either, because that kind of fucks with core family values, wouldn't it?

In 10 years we'll have a more aged populous and we'll have more children that immigrated from there. I don't see the problem with automating and getting people (among which are children) engaged in our society when they benefit us in the long run. It's not like every child from every Muslim will become a low sill low educated person. You're acting like it's going to become a huge drag, while you don't know the impact. We've had mass imports before. It's not that much of an issue ultimately. And how the fuck dare you point fingers at such a large number of people with only 2-3 years past since they came in Germany. I don't think you have any clue what it takes to adjust to a new culture, a new language, a new system, do you?

You fucking think colonialism was African countries being flooded with white people? Give it a good hard thought man.
Also, we're not being exterminated or colonized,why do you think that'll ever happen? You're following a trend? You do know trends based on current statistics is very naive, right? Extrapolating current numbers don't do well compared to the actual numbers so many years don't the line, so stop hyperventilating over the so feared self destruction of the EU.

And lastly, let me ask you this: what if Europe would be replaced with another culture, or let's not even say culture, but let's just say people that are traditionally not like white people. What's the big deal? Can you elaborate why other people are worse than your people? Is it an innate fear of losing what "we" have built over the last couple of centuries? It's just something I've thought about myself and I can't really seem to place it that well yet, would love your insight on it.

I don't think you have any clue what it takes to adjust to a new culture, a new language, a new system, do you?

On December 14 2017 12:52 ShakeN_blake wrote:


And if you bothered to study the overwhelming amount of attempted Jihads into Europe, especially when the Ottomans were routed at the gates of Vienna in 1683 thanks only to the Winged Hussars thus saving Europe from Islamic conquest, you'd understand just how fortunate Western civilization was in its self-preservation up until the 20th century. But if you're so thoroughly convinced that Ottoman rule wasn't all that bad, just ask the Greeks. They've had to endure centuries of it.

And then there's Lebanon -- a cautionary tale for what happens to multicultural societies when Islamists are allowed to seize power. (Spoiler alert: it ends very badly for Christians and Jews).

In the U.K. alone, nearly a quarter of the Muslim population supports Sharia Law. It is only through useful idiots such as yourself supporting open borders that their conquest is made possible. Europe would not have survived Jihadism for so long otherwise.

On December 14 2017 12:52 ShakeN_blake wrote:


And if you bothered to study the overwhelming amount of attempted Jihads into Europe, especially when the Ottomans were routed at the gates of Vienna in 1683 thanks only to the Winged Hussars thus saving Europe from Islamic conquest, you'd understand just how fortunate Western civilization was in its self-preservation up until the 20th century. But if you're so thoroughly convinced that Ottoman rule wasn't all that bad, just ask the Greeks. They've had to endure centuries of it.

And then there's Lebanon -- a cautionary tale for what happens to multicultural societies when Islamists are allowed to seize power. (Spoiler alert: it ends very badly for Christians and Jews).

In the U.K. alone, nearly a quarter of the Muslim population supports Sharia Law. It is only through useful idiots such as yourself supporting open borders that their conquest is made possible. Europe would not have survived Jihadism for so long otherwise.

On December 14 2017 12:59 LegalLord wrote:

Sigh. This seems pointless but since you're insistent enough, let's break this down so we can move on. Spoilered for those that don't really care.
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 14 2017 12:32 xDaunt wrote:

Excellent, the A-team is finally here. Would you mind making the proper counter-argument for all of these lost leftists?

On December 14 2017 12:53 ticklishmusic wrote:


Probably at various points near the height of several dynasties. So a few centuries or so?

You do realize the Yuan dynasty was literally composed of the descendants of Genghis Khan, right? And that his other descendants ran the other khanates around Asia and the Middle East.

On December 14 2017 12:42 ShakeN_blake wrote:


Demography is destiny. They will replace us and subjugate Europe in time because European culture has become weak and submissive. We are the only culture that thinks demographic replacement is a meritorious act. How do you propose to stop Sharia Law when Whites are a minority in their own countries?

Try convincing the Israelis to have open borders and invite the entire third world into their country like Sweden has. Surely they wouldn't mind becoming minorities in their homelands to a fatally hostile Muslim population? Diversity is our strength, after all. It's not like Israel would cease to exist as a Jewish homeland or anything . . .

On December 14 2017 13:13 Uldridge wrote:
I know they're much more sexually repressed down there and they look way more down on women. This coupled with sexual frustration and the fact that women here are more liberal (take that in whatever sense you want), I guess this can make people become sexual predators.
I'm just trying to find a reason 'why' they're doing it. My immediate guess was they couldn't handle the sexual nature of our culture.
Anyway, the thing in Cologne was still bad; but I thought i was less severe. I stand corrected.

Will for integrating is different when you're segregated from the start, m4ini. Getting into a native speaking community, perpetuating native culture makes you feel like you're not estranged anymore. It's a reason why so many different communities in every culture exist and they barely intersect with other communities. To put it all at the expense of "wanting to integrate" is a little harsh and oversimplifying the problem imo.

On December 14 2017 13:21 mozoku wrote:

You realize the Khans weren't even Chinese? I feel like I shouldn't have to tell you this but China then and China now are made up of different territories and peoples. That makes the Khans as Chinese as I am Iraqi (I'm an American of European descent). Even the Chinese don't equate the Yuan dynasty with the Mongol Empire ffs.

Way to give a specific answer on the bold. The point is that no civilization was capable of long distance overseas colonization until the 15th or 16th century, and by that time there was no way the Ming dynasty could have conquered Europe from the other side of the world, even if it wanted to.