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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-11 17:58:07
December 11 2017 17:56 GMT
#189741
There is also the problem that by constantly polling and then reporting the results of those polls, they make the results less accurate. The old adage that observing something changes it.

On December 12 2017 02:55 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 02:54 Gorsameth wrote:
Fox's 8 points to Jones is also extremely suspect and I would consider it an attempt to drive hesitant Republicans to the polls by threatening a Democratic victory.


That seems a little bit much don't you think?


Absolutely not. That is 100% something Fox News would do. There is a reason they never cover the investigation into Russian interference except to dunk on Mueller.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22557 Posts
December 11 2017 17:58 GMT
#189742
On December 12 2017 02:55 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 02:54 Gorsameth wrote:
Fox's 8 points to Jones is also extremely suspect and I would consider it an attempt to drive hesitant Republicans to the polls by threatening a Democratic victory.


That seems a little bit much don't you think?

Is it?

The only way Jones can win is if a ton of Republicans stay home.
And the biggest lead for Jones in a poll comes from the defacto Republican broadcast network?
just putting 2 and 2 together.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 11 2017 18:00 GMT
#189743
On December 12 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:
So what are the odds Jones wins tomorrow? Fox has him up 10 points, but everyone else has Moore up 6-9


Don't underestimate the extent of Alabama inbreeding. There's a lot of it. Moore wins.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-11 18:06:01
December 11 2017 18:04 GMT
#189744
I wouldn't put much stock in any of the polls, really, modeling turnout in a mid-December special state election with added potential for potential enthusiasm gaps seems like a Herculean task. "Gut evidence" is also pretty suspect here of course for similar reasons, so defaulting to normal expectations (i.e. an R win) seems reasonable.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 11 2017 18:07 GMT
#189745
in this day and age it's no longer about being right, it's about ginning up quotes by other publications and views and clicks by the masses.
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-11 18:21:39
December 11 2017 18:14 GMT
#189746
On December 12 2017 02:56 Plansix wrote:
There is also the problem that by constantly polling and then reporting the results of those polls, they make the results less accurate. The old adage that observing something changes it.

Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 02:55 IyMoon wrote:
On December 12 2017 02:54 Gorsameth wrote:
Fox's 8 points to Jones is also extremely suspect and I would consider it an attempt to drive hesitant Republicans to the polls by threatening a Democratic victory.


That seems a little bit much don't you think?


Absolutely not. That is 100% something Fox News would do. There is a reason they never cover the investigation into Russian interference except to dunk on Mueller.


I don’t know if i’m the crazy one here but whenever i’m watching the AM Fox News, it seems like pretty obvious manipulation of their viewers to buy into anti dem outrage.

so yea, when they’re the only outlet reporting a strong lead for Jones the conclusion is glaringly obvious..
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-11 18:17:54
December 11 2017 18:17 GMT
#189747
The statement in particular getting a lot of attention was a reported comment of Moore saying, in response to a question about the last time America was great, “I think it was great at the time when families were united — even though we had slavery — they cared for one another…. Our families were strong, our country had a direction.”

Rye brought up that comment during a panel segment on the crazier things Moore has said and asked Martin what he meant by it. Martin said the comment is being taken out of context.

He also said, really sending the segment off the rails, Moore’s “getting elected to the Senate. When he gets to the Senate, he’s gonna have to vote on things. Slavery’s not gonna be voted on in the Senate, and neither is homosexuality.”

An outraged Rye responded, “Are you serious?!”

Martin continued:

“It’s such a slur against him. What he said was families still love each other when they existed… people in bondage, when the Jews were in bondage for years, they still loved each other.”
Watch above, via CNN.

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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-11 18:30:05
December 11 2017 18:28 GMT
#189748
On December 12 2017 02:55 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 02:54 Gorsameth wrote:
Fox's 8 points to Jones is also extremely suspect and I would consider it an attempt to drive hesitant Republicans to the polls by threatening a Democratic victory.


That seems a little bit much don't you think?


Not inconceivable. The media is highly biased, after all. Also recall when Netanyahu claimed on election day that Arabs were going to the polls in buses.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 11 2017 18:33 GMT
#189749
#Mattis

IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
December 11 2017 18:38 GMT
#189750
On December 12 2017 03:33 Doodsmack wrote:
#Mattis

https://twitter.com/ABC7News/status/940282272397365248


Bring on the big guys twitter, I am going to love seeing this one
Something witty
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 11 2017 18:42 GMT
#189751
On December 12 2017 01:44 Kickboxer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 01:28 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Your first two points seem to contradict each other? Communist countries have generally been rather secular, more so than their capitalistic counterparts. And clear ideals and values always superior to a relativist or postmodernist culture? Norway/scandinavia/western europe/canada are about the most 'relativist and postmodernist' countries in the world (countries where cultural relativism and postmodernism have the biggest intellectual following and permeation through education levels. )


As I said, I consider Marxist doctrine a religion. You either accept it or you are actively persecuted, and that's how I would define "religion" in fact. A system imposed upon you at birth that allows no questioning. The existence of a deity is here besides the point.

As for your second assertion, this is precisely why we are having this discussion. In the minds of myself and many people like me, the places you've listed have had their zenith a couple decades ago or so and are now being systematically eroded and undermined by concepts like cultural relativism, gender theory, third wave feminism, accommodation of Islam (the worst offender, imho), vilification of healthy traditional masculinity and femininity etc. I know you disagree with me on all these, but it's still a position you should attempt to understand.

I attempt to understand the worldview of a progressive, I just think it makes the fatal mistake of completely ignoring the pragmatic realities of human psychology and is in its essence utopian in character which strikes me as a broken position.


oh you consider "marxist doctrine" a religion huh? is this one of those cases where you are creating a term that nobody uses so that you can define what it means? wait no, jordan peterson uses the term and youve listened to him use it so you know what it means. it must be obvious to everyone then.

have you ever heard any old soviet jokes? arent you slovenian? shouldnt you know better than us americans that plenty of people in eastern europe didnt "believe in marxist doctrine" (whatever that means, probably nothing), and yet they werent tortured and killed?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 11 2017 18:44 GMT
#189752




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-11 18:54:50
December 11 2017 18:54 GMT
#189753
On December 12 2017 03:38 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 03:33 Doodsmack wrote:
#Mattis

https://twitter.com/ABC7News/status/940282272397365248


Bring on the big guys twitter, I am going to love seeing this one


Trump literally only did this to try to get wall money, he probably already forgot about it.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
December 11 2017 18:56 GMT
#189754
On December 12 2017 03:54 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2017 03:38 IyMoon wrote:
On December 12 2017 03:33 Doodsmack wrote:
#Mattis

https://twitter.com/ABC7News/status/940282272397365248


Bring on the big guys twitter, I am going to love seeing this one


Trump literally only did this to try to get wall money, he probably already forgot about it.


But people are going to remind him that he is being defied
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 11 2017 18:59 GMT
#189755
On December 12 2017 03:33 Doodsmack wrote:
#Mattis

https://twitter.com/ABC7News/status/940282272397365248

The year of our lord 2017, when the armed service pushes the White House to be more inclusive and a engine for social change.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 11 2017 19:33 GMT
#189756


The GOP is backing these political views.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 11 2017 19:35 GMT
#189757
the only difference is now it's explicit. a lot of their base probably kind of was okay with those ideas and goodness knows there was plenty of dogwhistling before.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
December 11 2017 19:38 GMT
#189758
On December 12 2017 04:33 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/940015810315276288

The GOP is backing these political views.

it’s especially sad that they have because it would have been so easy NOT to. the entire party could walk away from supporting Moore and then we’d feel bad for the rest of the party that they got shafted so hard by Alabama voters.

I could easily see Moore winning without RNC support (granted it would’ve been harder) and then the GOP still gets to win the seat and not totally sell themselves out. I would’ve sympathized, personally.

but oh well, instead we have an entire party supporting this racist child molestor with the family values platform. sucks to be a republican(non-politician i mean, fuck the actual GOP) this week.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 11 2017 19:42 GMT
#189759
Remember: good conservatives stay home. Better to oppose and democrat that someone like Moore.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 11 2017 19:49 GMT
#189760
Apparently some donors are upset and at least one person left the RNC over it.
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