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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
On December 12 2017 01:55 Liquid`Drone wrote: For the second part, from my perspective, Norway is a vastly superior society in 2017 compared to how it was in 1970. It also has more cultural relativism, acceptance for modern gender theory, accommodation of Islam, and acceptance of different ways of 'being a man' You were alive and an adult in 1970? If not, how can you tell? Also, if you guys are building mosques I'd love to repeat this discussion with you in 30 years. I firmly believe accommodating Islam is the most suicidally idiotic thing a liberal secular society can do. As for the rest we can agree to disagree  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 12 2017 02:02 Kickboxer wrote: You were alive and an adult in 1970? If not, how can you tell? Also, if you guys are building mosques I'd love to repeat this discussion with you in 30 years. I firmly believe accommodating Islam is the most suicidally idiotic thing a liberal secular society can do. As for the rest we can agree to disagree In the mid/late 1800s in the US, we said the same thing about the Catholics. It seemed to work out. And you do know that Islam has existed next to and within Europe for centuries upon centuries, right? This isn’t a new thing for you all over there. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28704 Posts
On December 12 2017 02:02 Kickboxer wrote: You were alive and an adult in 1970? If not, how can you tell? Also, if you guys are building mosques I'd love to repeat this discussion with you in 30 years. I firmly believe accommodating Islam is the most suicidally idiotic thing a liberal secular society can do. As for the rest we can agree to disagree Same reason I can tell that I prefer Norway 2017 over Norway year 1000. I have to be able to trust historical accounts.  | ||
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On December 12 2017 01:34 Kickboxer wrote: Secular Islamic nations? What? The Quran specifically dictates apostates are to be murdered. Apart from Turkey, which is rapidly going to shit, do you have any specific examples? Are you talking modern countries or no? The Golden Era of Islam pretty much ignored that concept to allow for advancements in scientific and historical understanding. They weren't going to murder their court physicians, after all. Unless you argue they weren't Islamic despite being a caliphate. Kind of like how modern Christians (for the most part) ignore the parts of the Holy Book saying they should stone adulterers and destroy free markets and not perform usury. Or keep kosher. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On December 12 2017 01:56 Nevuk wrote: https://twitter.com/_/status/940245936940478464 I really get the feeling Moore will still win and all the safe GOP areas will continue to be safe. It is interesting to me what a central issue abortion is for a lot of evangelicals. I can't help but wonder if there really is some kinda common ground solution. It is a particularly weird situation because Planned Parenthood is the #1 way to reduce abortions. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
CNN contributors were discussing the contents of the Times report, which was published on Saturday, just half an hour before Trump’s tweet. This suggests that Trump may have been claiming he does not watch CNN in response to what he just watched on CNN. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28704 Posts
On December 12 2017 02:29 Mohdoo wrote: I really get the feeling Moore will still win and all the safe GOP areas will continue to be safe. It is interesting to me what a central issue abortion is for a lot of evangelicals. I can't help but wonder if there really is some kinda common ground solution. It is a particularly weird situation because Planned Parenthood is the #1 way to reduce abortions. From what I've seen, it seems like anti-abortion groups have a strong tendency to make claims about what pro-abortion policies pro-abortion democrats actually favor. Like the arguments I see aren't 'abortions before week 12 are wrong' (even if this is what they think), it's 'he's an abortion extremist who favors late term abortions' and then the guy doesn't actually do that. Highly efficient smear campaigns and all that. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 12 2017 02:29 Mohdoo wrote: I really get the feeling Moore will still win and all the safe GOP areas will continue to be safe. It is interesting to me what a central issue abortion is for a lot of evangelicals. I can't help but wonder if there really is some kinda common ground solution. It is a particularly weird situation because Planned Parenthood is the #1 way to reduce abortions. The GOP’s attacks on Planned Parenthood is the dog chasing car of politics. They do it all the time and it drives people to the polls. But every once and a while they catch Planned Parenthood and it ends up destroying a state’s health services. Mike Pence is a prime example of this. His attacks on planned parenthood caused an HIV outbreak in the poorest sections of his state. And they voted his ass out of office because of it. This is why all the arguments of “we will give the money to other groups willing to provide healthcare in those regions” rings hollow. The GOP’s classic lie that defunding something will magically create a new thing to provide that service. Let us destroy this thing and trust us. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28704 Posts
(ok, reading about it it seems like the fox polls use cellphones while other polls only use landlines. Historically I guess landlines are more accurate because people who have landlines actually vote, but lets see how it works out in 2017.. ) | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On December 12 2017 02:41 Liquid`Drone wrote: how can there be 16-19 point swings in polls? wtf. No one is certain how to poll the question "so, would you vote for the child molester?" accurately | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21945 Posts
On December 12 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote: So what are the odds Jones wins tomorrow? Fox has him up 10 points, but everyone else has Moore up 6-9 Easy win for Moore. Alabama is Alabama. On December 12 2017 02:39 Plansix wrote: The GOP’s attacks on Planned Parenthood is the dog chasing car of politics. They do it all the time and it drives people to the polls. But every once and a while they catch Planned Parenthood and it ends up destroying a state’s health services. Mike Pence is a prime example of this. His attacks on planned parenthood caused an HIV outbreak in the poorest sections of his state. And they voted his ass out of office because of it. This is why all the arguments of “we will give the money to other groups willing to provide healthcare in those regions” rings hollow. The GOP’s classic lie that defunding something will magically create a new thing to provide that service. Let us destroy this thing and trust us. Same deal with the ACA. Please trust us to provide a superior healthcare system after we destroyed this one. No we can't tell you whats in it. What do you mean we had 6+ years to come up with something else. Just trust us to get it right. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On December 12 2017 02:41 Liquid`Drone wrote: how can there be 16-19 point swings in polls? wtf. Welcome to Alabama 2017. I would guess its different pollsters trying to guess on who turns out because of the allegations. If you think turnout is low I would guess you put Jones ahead, if turnout is normal I think Moore wins | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 12 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote: So what are the odds Jones wins tomorrow? Fox has him up 10 points, but everyone else has Moore up 6-9 I believe the response from NPR was "Go home polls, you're drunk." Polling this close to the election is worthless. A complete waste of money and time. | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
Five thirty eight article on the polls and jones chances | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21945 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On December 12 2017 02:54 Gorsameth wrote: Fox's 8 points to Jones is also extremely suspect and I would consider it an attempt to drive hesitant Republicans to the polls by threatening a Democratic victory. That seems a little bit much don't you think? | ||
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