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On November 08 2017 11:18 doomdonker wrote:
Which isn't surprising, considering the GOP had dropped its pants, showed its erect penis while stroking a picture of tax cuts for the most wealthy. There's just about no way you could spin how they tried to "fix" Obamacare, it was clear that they didn't care about health care and health insurance in general and it was just a means to free the budget for tax cuts.
I was wondering about this contradiction for a while. Trump ran a whole campaign on appealing to the forgotten manufacturing and working class. But there's literally not a single meaningful thing in his or the GOP program that doesn't screw them over. Wonder how they'll try to solve that at any point. They basically need to expand Obamacare.
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On November 08 2017 11:35 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2017 11:18 doomdonker wrote:
Which isn't surprising, considering the GOP had dropped its pants, showed its erect penis while stroking a picture of tax cuts for the most wealthy. There's just about no way you could spin how they tried to "fix" Obamacare, it was clear that they didn't care about health care and health insurance in general and it was just a means to free the budget for tax cuts. I was wondering about this contradiction for a while. Trump ran a whole campaign on appealing to the forgotten manufacturing and working class. But there's literally not a single meaningful thing in his or the GOP program that doesn't screw them over. Wonder how they'll try to solve that at any point. They basically need to expand Obamacare.
I think you see this in the GOP failures to craft meaningful legislation. The R voting base got told all kinds of Nationalism, Culture, America First, Manufacturing lies by Trump, but the R donor base and Ryan/McConnell actually write the legislation. The R donor base is super clear what it wants: elimination of taxation on capital and increases of taxation on W2 income**. Trump goes out and lies about what is in the Paul Ryan bills, but when the truth slips out the legislation collapses. For their massive tax reform scheme the plan has been to hide the bill and keep it secret for as long as possible to keep the Trump lies from being exposed. I think the tax plan will collapse as soon as its actual provisions are revealed.
**check out Hugh Hewitt's list of ways to pay for all the capital side tax cuts.
Eliminating the ACA mandate as a scheme to raise tax revenue (EDIT: this is flatly insanity, mandate raises money)? A gas tax. 5% internet commerce tax. A new Ultra high W2 income tax bracket (because fuck the rich who actually work).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/heres-how-the-gop-can-pay-for-its-tax-plan/2017/11/06/0f7a0c22-c332-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d:homepage/story&utm_term=.036f11632152
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On November 08 2017 11:35 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2017 11:18 doomdonker wrote:
Which isn't surprising, considering the GOP had dropped its pants, showed its erect penis while stroking a picture of tax cuts for the most wealthy. There's just about no way you could spin how they tried to "fix" Obamacare, it was clear that they didn't care about health care and health insurance in general and it was just a means to free the budget for tax cuts. I was wondering about this contradiction for a while. Trump ran a whole campaign on appealing to the forgotten manufacturing and working class. But there's literally not a single meaningful thing in his or the GOP program that doesn't screw them over. Wonder how they'll try to solve that at any point. They basically need to expand Obamacare.
that's the beauty of him saying something, getting criticized for saying said thing and people then either going "well obviously you're misrepresenting him, that's just your spin on it / well obviously you can't take that LITERALLY".
Everyone believes what they wanted to believe no matter what he said
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On November 08 2017 11:08 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
LMAO what kinda dumbfuck considers guns their number 1 policy issue???
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The house is close as fuck holy shit. Right now at 50-50 with several of the races left at 50-50 and none higher than 52.
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They'd probably be able to pass it if Donald Trump hadn't wiped most of his good will with Democratic voters and actual independents. With the media not talking about Hillary Clinton's emails every hour of the day like in 2016, its exceedingly clear that Trump doesn't walk the talk or even understand what he's talking about.
How do you spin something like Trump trying to sell eliminating the estate tax to Republicans by telling them that it'd hurt him a lot personally? Or Trump's properties, which he's still visiting like every weekend, hiring more foreign workers because they're cheap? Or Trump consistently talking about fucking golf courses, even to South Koreans concerned about possible conflict with North Korea? You just look like an asshole at the end of the day.
On November 08 2017 11:57 Mohdoo wrote:LMAO what kinda dumbfuck considers guns their number 1 policy issue???
Likely both sides contributing to that figure. Gun policy can be both freedom of gun ownership and restricting gun ownership. Considering mass shootings consistently happening these days, I don't blame some people getting more concerned about it.
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On November 08 2017 11:57 Mohdoo wrote:LMAO what kinda dumbfuck considers guns their number 1 policy issue???
Flames aside, I imagine gun rights is a big(gest?) issue for rural voters.
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Yep! I'm so happy our next New Jersey governor is Phil Murphy and not Chris Christie Jr.! Some of the reasons why I voted for him:
-Supporting women's rights, including Planned Parenthood and equal pay;
-Work to lower New Jersey college tuitions, expand access to community college, and "create new vocational training programs to provide alternative pathways to success";
-Common sense gun reform, including a gun safety training course for those wishing to buy a gun;
-Supporting our LGBTQ community;
-End PARCC testing and scrutinize other standardized tests;
-Investing in clean energy;
-Supporting unions;
-Significant changes for NJ Transit;
-Making sure our civil servants receive their promised pensions;
-Taking addiction and healthcare seriously.
And a bunch of other issues with clear point-by-point elaborations here: https://www.murphy4nj.com/issues
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On November 08 2017 11:57 Mohdoo wrote:LMAO what kinda dumbfuck considers guns their number 1 policy issue???
Well we have a president whose number 1 policy issue was building a wall so...
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On November 08 2017 12:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2017 11:57 Mohdoo wrote:LMAO what kinda dumbfuck considers guns their number 1 policy issue??? Well we have a president whose number 1 policy issue was building a wall so...
Pacific Rim has never been more topical than in the Trump era.
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Ahh, yes, he never really believed in Gillespie. Pathetic.
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I'm glad Northam won, it meant that having to wake up early wasn't a waste, so I'm going to treat myself to a hard soda. 
Seems like the day has been pretty good for Dems, I know after the general election I was galvanized to vote in pretty much any election in my area, I'm wondering if this was the case for other people within my age range. I was at my polling place and it was pretty empty, so I was a bit worried, but I'd really like to see some voting demographic statistics for the state elections.
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How "Trumpish" was the Gillespie guy and the campaign he ran?
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On November 08 2017 13:01 Zambrah wrote:I'm glad Northam won, it meant that having to wake up early wasn't a waste, so I'm going to treat myself to a hard soda. Seems like the day has been pretty good for Dems, I know after the general election I was galvanized to vote in pretty much any election in my area, I'm wondering if this was the case for other people within my age range. I was at my polling place and it was pretty empty, so I was a bit worried, but I'd really like to see some voting demographic statistics for the state elections.
Polling places in special elections being described as "empty" is actually probably high than normal turnout for them.
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On November 08 2017 13:03 Nyxisto wrote:How "Trumpish" was the Gillespie guy and the campaign he ran?
Put it this way, Steve Bannon was jumping up and down screaming that Gillespie adopting Trump talking points was the reason why he was going to win.
Of course, he didn't win. And it wasn't even really close, VA elected a transgender woman running against a man who tried to introduce one of those godawful "think of the children" restroom bills as well as an actual socialist. And Breitbart went the predictable "Gillespie lost because he's a establishment cuck" route.
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On November 08 2017 13:03 Nyxisto wrote:How "Trumpish" was the Gillespie guy and the campaign he ran?
Gillespie was a typically establishment Republican. He worked as a lobbyist and RNC chair. He served in the Bush White House. He really tried to play both sides in his campaign: outsider dedicated to reforming Virginia, and dedicated GOP regular. His history showed he was a GOP insider and establishment type, but his campaign really tried to thread the needle.
So he loses by 8 points when Trump lost by 5. He tried to gin up Trump support enough to show me that his loss was a good slap at Trump.
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