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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 02:37:03
November 08 2017 02:35 GMT
#183481
On November 08 2017 11:18 doomdonker wrote:
Which isn't surprising, considering the GOP had dropped its pants, showed its erect penis while stroking a picture of tax cuts for the most wealthy. There's just about no way you could spin how they tried to "fix" Obamacare, it was clear that they didn't care about health care and health insurance in general and it was just a means to free the budget for tax cuts.

I was wondering about this contradiction for a while. Trump ran a whole campaign on appealing to the forgotten manufacturing and working class. But there's literally not a single meaningful thing in his or the GOP program that doesn't screw them over. Wonder how they'll try to solve that at any point. They basically need to expand Obamacare.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 02:57:31
November 08 2017 02:54 GMT
#183482
On November 08 2017 11:35 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 11:18 doomdonker wrote:
Which isn't surprising, considering the GOP had dropped its pants, showed its erect penis while stroking a picture of tax cuts for the most wealthy. There's just about no way you could spin how they tried to "fix" Obamacare, it was clear that they didn't care about health care and health insurance in general and it was just a means to free the budget for tax cuts.

I was wondering about this contradiction for a while. Trump ran a whole campaign on appealing to the forgotten manufacturing and working class. But there's literally not a single meaningful thing in his or the GOP program that doesn't screw them over. Wonder how they'll try to solve that at any point. They basically need to expand Obamacare.


I think you see this in the GOP failures to craft meaningful legislation. The R voting base got told all kinds of Nationalism, Culture, America First, Manufacturing lies by Trump, but the R donor base and Ryan/McConnell actually write the legislation. The R donor base is super clear what it wants: elimination of taxation on capital and increases of taxation on W2 income**. Trump goes out and lies about what is in the Paul Ryan bills, but when the truth slips out the legislation collapses. For their massive tax reform scheme the plan has been to hide the bill and keep it secret for as long as possible to keep the Trump lies from being exposed. I think the tax plan will collapse as soon as its actual provisions are revealed.

**check out Hugh Hewitt's list of ways to pay for all the capital side tax cuts.
Eliminating the ACA mandate as a scheme to raise tax revenue (EDIT: this is flatly insanity, mandate raises money)? A gas tax. 5% internet commerce tax. A new Ultra high W2 income tax bracket (because fuck the rich who actually work).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/heres-how-the-gop-can-pay-for-its-tax-plan/2017/11/06/0f7a0c22-c332-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d:homepage/story&utm_term=.036f11632152
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 08 2017 02:55 GMT
#183483
On November 08 2017 11:35 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 11:18 doomdonker wrote:
Which isn't surprising, considering the GOP had dropped its pants, showed its erect penis while stroking a picture of tax cuts for the most wealthy. There's just about no way you could spin how they tried to "fix" Obamacare, it was clear that they didn't care about health care and health insurance in general and it was just a means to free the budget for tax cuts.

I was wondering about this contradiction for a while. Trump ran a whole campaign on appealing to the forgotten manufacturing and working class. But there's literally not a single meaningful thing in his or the GOP program that doesn't screw them over. Wonder how they'll try to solve that at any point. They basically need to expand Obamacare.

that's the beauty of him saying something, getting criticized for saying said thing and people then either going "well obviously you're misrepresenting him, that's just your spin on it / well obviously you can't take that LITERALLY".
Everyone believes what they wanted to believe no matter what he said
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 08 2017 02:57 GMT
#183484
On November 08 2017 11:08 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:






LMAO what kinda dumbfuck considers guns their number 1 policy issue???
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12619 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 03:08:01
November 08 2017 02:59 GMT
#183485
The house is close as fuck holy shit. Right now at 50-50 with several of the races left at 50-50 and none higher than 52.
No will to live, no wish to die
doomdonker
Profile Joined October 2017
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 03:10:31
November 08 2017 03:01 GMT
#183486
They'd probably be able to pass it if Donald Trump hadn't wiped most of his good will with Democratic voters and actual independents. With the media not talking about Hillary Clinton's emails every hour of the day like in 2016, its exceedingly clear that Trump doesn't walk the talk or even understand what he's talking about.

How do you spin something like Trump trying to sell eliminating the estate tax to Republicans by telling them that it'd hurt him a lot personally? Or Trump's properties, which he's still visiting like every weekend, hiring more foreign workers because they're cheap? Or Trump consistently talking about fucking golf courses, even to South Koreans concerned about possible conflict with North Korea? You just look like an asshole at the end of the day.

On November 08 2017 11:57 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 11:08 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/928075644516294658


https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/928074734738255872


LMAO what kinda dumbfuck considers guns their number 1 policy issue???


Likely both sides contributing to that figure. Gun policy can be both freedom of gun ownership and restricting gun ownership. Considering mass shootings consistently happening these days, I don't blame some people getting more concerned about it.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 08 2017 03:06 GMT
#183487
On November 08 2017 11:57 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 11:08 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/928075644516294658


https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/928074734738255872


LMAO what kinda dumbfuck considers guns their number 1 policy issue???

Flames aside, I imagine gun rights is a big(gest?) issue for rural voters.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2017 03:12 GMT
#183488
https://twitter.com/LEBassett/status/928066321958490113?s=17

https://twitter.com/LEBassett/status/928065439464349697?s=17

Tonight is pretty good.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 08 2017 03:18 GMT
#183489
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32761 Posts
November 08 2017 03:18 GMT
#183490
New Jersey also ended with a Democrat victory.

http://www.cnn.com/election/2017/results/new-jersey-governor

Small but meaningful victories for the Dems today.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46687 Posts
November 08 2017 03:33 GMT
#183491
On November 08 2017 12:18 PhoenixVoid wrote:
New Jersey also ended with a Democrat victory.

http://www.cnn.com/election/2017/results/new-jersey-governor

Small but meaningful victories for the Dems today.


Yep! I'm so happy our next New Jersey governor is Phil Murphy and not Chris Christie Jr.! Some of the reasons why I voted for him:
-Supporting women's rights, including Planned Parenthood and equal pay;
-Work to lower New Jersey college tuitions, expand access to community college, and "create new vocational training programs to provide alternative pathways to success";
-Common sense gun reform, including a gun safety training course for those wishing to buy a gun;
-Supporting our LGBTQ community;
-End PARCC testing and scrutinize other standardized tests;
-Investing in clean energy;
-Supporting unions;
-Significant changes for NJ Transit;
-Making sure our civil servants receive their promised pensions;
-Taking addiction and healthcare seriously.
And a bunch of other issues with clear point-by-point elaborations here: https://www.murphy4nj.com/issues
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46687 Posts
November 08 2017 03:34 GMT
#183492
On November 08 2017 11:57 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 11:08 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/928075644516294658


https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/928074734738255872


LMAO what kinda dumbfuck considers guns their number 1 policy issue???


Well we have a president whose number 1 policy issue was building a wall so...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2017 03:35 GMT
#183493
On November 08 2017 12:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 11:57 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 08 2017 11:08 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/928075644516294658


https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/928074734738255872


LMAO what kinda dumbfuck considers guns their number 1 policy issue???


Well we have a president whose number 1 policy issue was building a wall so...

Pacific Rim has never been more topical than in the Trump era.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 08 2017 03:39 GMT
#183494

Ahh, yes, he never really believed in Gillespie. Pathetic.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 08 2017 03:41 GMT
#183495
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
November 08 2017 04:01 GMT
#183496
I'm glad Northam won, it meant that having to wake up early wasn't a waste, so I'm going to treat myself to a hard soda.

Seems like the day has been pretty good for Dems, I know after the general election I was galvanized to vote in pretty much any election in my area, I'm wondering if this was the case for other people within my age range. I was at my polling place and it was pretty empty, so I was a bit worried, but I'd really like to see some voting demographic statistics for the state elections.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
November 08 2017 04:03 GMT
#183497
On November 08 2017 12:39 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/928074747316928513
Ahh, yes, he never really believed in Gillespie. Pathetic.


How "Trumpish" was the Gillespie guy and the campaign he ran?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 04:10:49
November 08 2017 04:09 GMT
#183498
On November 08 2017 13:01 Zambrah wrote:
I'm glad Northam won, it meant that having to wake up early wasn't a waste, so I'm going to treat myself to a hard soda.

Seems like the day has been pretty good for Dems, I know after the general election I was galvanized to vote in pretty much any election in my area, I'm wondering if this was the case for other people within my age range. I was at my polling place and it was pretty empty, so I was a bit worried, but I'd really like to see some voting demographic statistics for the state elections.

Polling places in special elections being described as "empty" is actually probably high than normal turnout for them.

doomdonker
Profile Joined October 2017
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 04:14:46
November 08 2017 04:12 GMT
#183499
On November 08 2017 13:03 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 12:39 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/928074747316928513
Ahh, yes, he never really believed in Gillespie. Pathetic.


How "Trumpish" was the Gillespie guy and the campaign he ran?


Put it this way, Steve Bannon was jumping up and down screaming that Gillespie adopting Trump talking points was the reason why he was going to win.

Of course, he didn't win. And it wasn't even really close, VA elected a transgender woman running against a man who tried to introduce one of those godawful "think of the children" restroom bills as well as an actual socialist. And Breitbart went the predictable "Gillespie lost because he's a establishment cuck" route.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 08 2017 04:17 GMT
#183500
On November 08 2017 13:03 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 12:39 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/928074747316928513
Ahh, yes, he never really believed in Gillespie. Pathetic.


How "Trumpish" was the Gillespie guy and the campaign he ran?

Gillespie was a typically establishment Republican. He worked as a lobbyist and RNC chair. He served in the Bush White House. He really tried to play both sides in his campaign: outsider dedicated to reforming Virginia, and dedicated GOP regular. His history showed he was a GOP insider and establishment type, but his campaign really tried to thread the needle.

So he loses by 8 points when Trump lost by 5. He tried to gin up Trump support enough to show me that his loss was a good slap at Trump.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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