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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 01:15:20
November 08 2017 01:15 GMT
#183461
I really am surprised a govenor race in Virgina is so one sided. They are typically closer and not called this early on.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12204 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 01:17:23
November 08 2017 01:15 GMT
#183462
House was 34-66 for republicans, right now it's 52-48 democrats with a bunch of close races.
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
November 08 2017 01:18 GMT
#183463
On November 08 2017 10:15 Nebuchad wrote:
House was 34-66 for republicans, right now it's 51-49 democrats with a bunch of close races.


Are those 2 years or 4 years in Virgina? If 4 that's a HUGE flip.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12204 Posts
November 08 2017 01:18 GMT
#183464
On November 08 2017 10:18 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 10:15 Nebuchad wrote:
House was 34-66 for republicans, right now it's 51-49 democrats with a bunch of close races.


Are those 2 years or 4 years in Virgina? If 4 that's a HUGE flip.


2 years
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 08 2017 01:18 GMT
#183465
On November 08 2017 10:15 Adreme wrote:
I really am surprised a govenor race in Virgina is so one sided. They are typically closer and not called this early on.

I saw more pollsters showing this was Northam's to lose.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 08 2017 01:19 GMT
#183466
double digit win looking like it's possible now

whisper of a dream
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
November 08 2017 01:20 GMT
#183467
On November 08 2017 10:18 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 10:15 Adreme wrote:
I really am surprised a govenor race in Virgina is so one sided. They are typically closer and not called this early on.

I saw more pollsters showing this was Northam's to lose.


Yes, but Virgina,is not a putple state. Ot shouldn't be so solidly his to lose. Was there something that made Northam appealing or his opponent unappealing?
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
November 08 2017 01:21 GMT
#183468
On November 08 2017 10:18 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 10:18 Adreme wrote:
On November 08 2017 10:15 Nebuchad wrote:
House was 34-66 for republicans, right now it's 51-49 democrats with a bunch of close races.


Are those 2 years or 4 years in Virgina? If 4 that's a HUGE flip.


2 years


So for them 2019 will be the one denocrats go all in on.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12204 Posts
November 08 2017 01:29 GMT
#183469
On November 08 2017 10:20 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 10:18 Danglars wrote:
On November 08 2017 10:15 Adreme wrote:
I really am surprised a govenor race in Virgina is so one sided. They are typically closer and not called this early on.

I saw more pollsters showing this was Northam's to lose.


Yes, but Virgina,is not a putple state. Ot shouldn't be so solidly his to lose. Was there something that made Northam appealing or his opponent unappealing?


Can't be just this guy since dems are winning everything (lieutenant governor, AG, and a bunch in the house), a lot of this has to be on Trump. His reaction should be worth the watch, he won't be a fan I bet.
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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 01:32:41
November 08 2017 01:30 GMT
#183470
MSM is calling the VA campaign a 'racially charged' campaign. That is crap. It was a racist campaign on the ground level. Check out some of the fliers that made it around VA. EDIT: if Gillespie won with these, we would see this kind of shit nation wide. The whitebutthurt movement would have spread further, and more openly.

+ Show Spoiler +


Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 08 2017 01:40 GMT
#183471
On November 08 2017 10:20 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 10:18 Danglars wrote:
On November 08 2017 10:15 Adreme wrote:
I really am surprised a govenor race in Virgina is so one sided. They are typically closer and not called this early on.

I saw more pollsters showing this was Northam's to lose.


Yes, but Virgina,is not a putple state. Ot shouldn't be so solidly his to lose. Was there something that made Northam appealing or his opponent unappealing?

Virginia is purple or blue depending on how optimistic/pessimistic you are. Northern Virginia is very populous with a high contingent of people that work and breathe DC politics. Those suburbs have overwhelmed the rural areas that go Republican.

Last elected Republican senator was 2002. The last Republican vote for president was 2004.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 08 2017 01:46 GMT
#183472
On November 08 2017 10:30 Wulfey_LA wrote:
MSM is calling the VA campaign a 'racially charged' campaign. That is crap. It was a racist campaign on the ground level. Check out some of the fliers that made it around VA. EDIT: if Gillespie won with these, we would see this kind of shit nation wide. The whitebutthurt movement would have spread further, and more openly.

+ Show Spoiler +

https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/926901281368702976



Uhh racist on both sides?

The fucking Washington Post even called it vile. The Latino Victory Fund is a Northam campaign donor to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars and the campaign registered the ad as an in-kind contribution.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 08 2017 01:50 GMT
#183473
Hispanics are racist among themselves even. The amount of racism towards one another in Miami isn't surprising at all.
Life?
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4773 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 02:06:11
November 08 2017 01:52 GMT
#183474
I know Virginia is more and more blue anyways, but this still ought to light a fire under the Congressional GOP, especially those Delegate seats. Some reporting I saw said that margins for EG were ok in may parts of the state, but turnout was bad. Need to get things going. I'd say it should teach Trump too, but we know how that goes



Edit:

"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12204 Posts
November 08 2017 01:53 GMT
#183475
On November 08 2017 10:40 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 10:20 Adreme wrote:
On November 08 2017 10:18 Danglars wrote:
On November 08 2017 10:15 Adreme wrote:
I really am surprised a govenor race in Virgina is so one sided. They are typically closer and not called this early on.

I saw more pollsters showing this was Northam's to lose.


Yes, but Virgina,is not a putple state. Ot shouldn't be so solidly his to lose. Was there something that made Northam appealing or his opponent unappealing?

Virginia is purple or blue depending on how optimistic/pessimistic you are. Northern Virginia is very populous with a high contingent of people that work and breathe DC politics. Those suburbs have overwhelmed the rural areas that go Republican.

Last elected Republican senator was 2002. The last Republican vote for president was 2004.


They're still underperforming quite hard, especially in the House (54-46 now).

What's the state of gerrymandering in Virginia btw?
No will to live, no wish to die
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
November 08 2017 01:56 GMT
#183476
On November 08 2017 10:46 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 10:30 Wulfey_LA wrote:
MSM is calling the VA campaign a 'racially charged' campaign. That is crap. It was a racist campaign on the ground level. Check out some of the fliers that made it around VA. EDIT: if Gillespie won with these, we would see this kind of shit nation wide. The whitebutthurt movement would have spread further, and more openly.

+ Show Spoiler +

https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/926901281368702976

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVckRJvuBQY

Uhh racist on both sides?

The fucking Washington Post even called it vile. The Latino Victory Fund is a Northam campaign donor to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars and the campaign registered the ad as an in-kind contribution.


Do you ever read your own links? I mean even once?


There is no question that if this were a race to the bottom, Mr. Gillespie would be the winner, having spent millions of dollars on ads that use specious claims and appeals to race and ethnicity to scare and divide. That he has doubled down in recent days with deceptive ads trying to paint Mr. Northam as an enabler of child predators underscores the lack of character that has marked his campaign. It is one reason we endorsed Mr. Northam.


No, overselling the threat of racism is not at all equivalent to spending money on actual racist flier campaigns and ads. You can't show racism in both. And even further, Northam disavowed the Latino ad instantly, whereas Gillespie ran racists dark money campaigns all the way up the election with zero retraction.

“Ralph Northam would not have run this ad and believes Virginians deserve civility, not escalation,” a spokesman for Mr. Northam emailed us. That was before the Latino Victory Fund announced Tuesday night that it was pulling the ad, issuing a statement that cited “recent events.”
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 02:06:49
November 08 2017 02:05 GMT
#183477
On November 08 2017 10:53 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 10:40 Danglars wrote:
On November 08 2017 10:20 Adreme wrote:
On November 08 2017 10:18 Danglars wrote:
On November 08 2017 10:15 Adreme wrote:
I really am surprised a govenor race in Virgina is so one sided. They are typically closer and not called this early on.

I saw more pollsters showing this was Northam's to lose.


Yes, but Virgina,is not a putple state. Ot shouldn't be so solidly his to lose. Was there something that made Northam appealing or his opponent unappealing?

Virginia is purple or blue depending on how optimistic/pessimistic you are. Northern Virginia is very populous with a high contingent of people that work and breathe DC politics. Those suburbs have overwhelmed the rural areas that go Republican.

Last elected Republican senator was 2002. The last Republican vote for president was 2004.


They're still underperforming quite hard, especially in the House (54-46 now).

What's the state of gerrymandering in Virginia btw?


heavily gerrymandered to favor Republicans in 2011 from what I can tell. don't have specific data on how much or anything like that.



Margin gonna keep getting hire in voting count since the DC heavily democratic areas report later.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 08 2017 02:07 GMT
#183478
On November 08 2017 10:53 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 10:40 Danglars wrote:
On November 08 2017 10:20 Adreme wrote:
On November 08 2017 10:18 Danglars wrote:
On November 08 2017 10:15 Adreme wrote:
I really am surprised a govenor race in Virgina is so one sided. They are typically closer and not called this early on.

I saw more pollsters showing this was Northam's to lose.


Yes, but Virgina,is not a putple state. Ot shouldn't be so solidly his to lose. Was there something that made Northam appealing or his opponent unappealing?

Virginia is purple or blue depending on how optimistic/pessimistic you are. Northern Virginia is very populous with a high contingent of people that work and breathe DC politics. Those suburbs have overwhelmed the rural areas that go Republican.

Last elected Republican senator was 2002. The last Republican vote for president was 2004.


They're still underperforming quite hard, especially in the House (54-46 now).

What's the state of gerrymandering in Virginia btw?

Dems are concentrated in the northern parts. The commute to DC & environs is too important. For statewide presidency and governor races, Virginia is a blue state, but I have a lot of compassion for people that still remember when it was a purple state.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
November 08 2017 02:08 GMT
#183479





"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
doomdonker
Profile Joined October 2017
90 Posts
November 08 2017 02:18 GMT
#183480
Which isn't surprising, considering the GOP had dropped its pants, showed its erect penis while stroking a picture of tax cuts for the most wealthy. There's just about no way you could spin how they tried to "fix" Obamacare, it was clear that they didn't care about health care and health insurance in general and it was just a means to free the budget for tax cuts.

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