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On October 02 2017 07:30 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2017 07:28 Plansix wrote:On October 02 2017 07:23 Zaros wrote:On October 02 2017 07:00 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 02 2017 06:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 06:40 sc-darkness wrote:
When do democrats announce who their new president will be? I'm curious. Hopefully someone like Bernie Sanders. They are desperate to find anyone they can to carry the neoliberal flag and still get elected. Bernie isn't center right enough for the Democratic establishment. Doesn't matter how much more popular and more likely to win they are if they rallied behind Bernie (instead of constantly sniping at him) they'll find someone who won't call them out for their history of failures. EDIT: That said I'd prefer if Bernie backed a younger version of himself more attuned with the groups Bernie isn't. I want Hillary Clinton to run again. 3rd time lucky right? She did win last time in my eyes how can you have 3 million more votes than the opponent in a modern democracy but not win is beyond me but w/e. Her time is up now IMO democrats need someone new. Every other seat is government is decided by popular vote. But because we are a nation of states, the presidency is decided though a different system. And sometimes that popular vote does not mean the person becomes president. I know that, I still think its a dumb system for a presidential election, if your electing a parliament sure go by states but not what is essentially a 1on1 contest for 1 man/woman to be president.
The problem is that a popular vote system in a nation our size is equally fucked up. The middle of the country wouldn't matter to the president. Nothing destroys a union of states faster than deciding only like 5-10 of them matter.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/neighboring-mayor-praises-trump-says-san-juan-mayor-playing-politics-awol-at-meetings/article/2636185
Neighboring mayor praises Trump, says San Juan mayor playing 'politics,' AWOL at meetings
The mayor of a Puerto Rican city that sits next to San Juan praised the administration's help Saturday night, and chided the "politics" of San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz, who has been criticizing President Trump.
In an interview with Secrets, Guaynabo Mayor Angel Perez Otero said that in several meetings with FEMA and U.S. military officials about the recovery effort, Yulin Cruz has been absent. "I've seen other mayors participating. She's not," said Perez Otero.
Despite days of praise for the government's effort from Puerto Rico's governor, Yulin Cruz has become the new face of the island in the media with her sharp criticism of the administration's efforts.
Asked if he has seen similar shortfalls and non-communication from the administration, Perez Otero said "that's not been my experience." He added, "There is a lot of politics in Puerto Rico."
Perez Otero added that the San Juan mayor "is my friend." His municipality sits just west of San Juan. Together, they make up most of the San Juan metropolitan area.
Perez Otero said that he has been in constant contact with military, FEMA and White House officials and has been promised that "they won't leave until Puerto Rico is good." He added that a top Trump aide quoted the president saying that the aid so far "is not enough. There is going to be more."
He noted that the country was in a financial crisis before Hurricane Maria hit and that it needs financial help from Washington.
But he said that recovery aid is pouring in. "We are receiving a lot of help from FEMA and the Red Cross...there is lots of help coming to us," said Perez Otero.
He is keen on receiving water and blue tarps for homeowners to use for shelter. Two hours before Secrets talked to him he said a top FEMA official promised that the tarps would arrive in "a few days."
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On October 02 2017 07:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2017 07:30 Zaros wrote:On October 02 2017 07:28 Plansix wrote:On October 02 2017 07:23 Zaros wrote:On October 02 2017 07:00 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 02 2017 06:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 06:40 sc-darkness wrote:
When do democrats announce who their new president will be? I'm curious. Hopefully someone like Bernie Sanders. They are desperate to find anyone they can to carry the neoliberal flag and still get elected. Bernie isn't center right enough for the Democratic establishment. Doesn't matter how much more popular and more likely to win they are if they rallied behind Bernie (instead of constantly sniping at him) they'll find someone who won't call them out for their history of failures. EDIT: That said I'd prefer if Bernie backed a younger version of himself more attuned with the groups Bernie isn't. I want Hillary Clinton to run again. 3rd time lucky right? She did win last time in my eyes how can you have 3 million more votes than the opponent in a modern democracy but not win is beyond me but w/e. Her time is up now IMO democrats need someone new. Every other seat is government is decided by popular vote. But because we are a nation of states, the presidency is decided though a different system. And sometimes that popular vote does not mean the person becomes president. I know that, I still think its a dumb system for a presidential election, if your electing a parliament sure go by states but not what is essentially a 1on1 contest for 1 man/woman to be president. The problem is that a popular vote system in a nation our size is equally fucked up. The middle of the country wouldn't matter to the president. Nothing destroys a union of states faster than deciding only like 5-10 of them matter.
Plenty of states don't matter right now, like Trump has no reason to campaign in Cali. Clinton had no reason to campaign in Alabama. At least if its popular vote every vote counts even if you don't get a visit from the president. America has plenty of regional/state representation in government from other elections.
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United States24772 Posts
On October 02 2017 07:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2017 07:30 Zaros wrote:On October 02 2017 07:28 Plansix wrote:On October 02 2017 07:23 Zaros wrote:On October 02 2017 07:00 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 02 2017 06:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 06:40 sc-darkness wrote:
When do democrats announce who their new president will be? I'm curious. Hopefully someone like Bernie Sanders. They are desperate to find anyone they can to carry the neoliberal flag and still get elected. Bernie isn't center right enough for the Democratic establishment. Doesn't matter how much more popular and more likely to win they are if they rallied behind Bernie (instead of constantly sniping at him) they'll find someone who won't call them out for their history of failures. EDIT: That said I'd prefer if Bernie backed a younger version of himself more attuned with the groups Bernie isn't. I want Hillary Clinton to run again. 3rd time lucky right? She did win last time in my eyes how can you have 3 million more votes than the opponent in a modern democracy but not win is beyond me but w/e. Her time is up now IMO democrats need someone new. Every other seat is government is decided by popular vote. But because we are a nation of states, the presidency is decided though a different system. And sometimes that popular vote does not mean the person becomes president. I know that, I still think its a dumb system for a presidential election, if your electing a parliament sure go by states but not what is essentially a 1on1 contest for 1 man/woman to be president. The problem is that a popular vote system in a nation our size is equally fucked up. The middle of the country wouldn't matter to the president. Nothing destroys a union of states faster than deciding only like 5-10 of them matter.
Isn't this what the Senate is for? One state doesn't get more say than another. In other parts of government, it makes sense for States with bigger populations to carry more weight since the result affects more people. Why should a low-population State's voter's vote count more than a high-population State's voter's vote?
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Speaking of Hillary Clinton, have you watched Jonathan Pie's "President Trump: How & Why..." video? It's so accurate about why Trump won. 
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On October 02 2017 07:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2017 07:30 Zaros wrote:On October 02 2017 07:28 Plansix wrote:On October 02 2017 07:23 Zaros wrote:On October 02 2017 07:00 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 02 2017 06:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 06:40 sc-darkness wrote:
When do democrats announce who their new president will be? I'm curious. Hopefully someone like Bernie Sanders. They are desperate to find anyone they can to carry the neoliberal flag and still get elected. Bernie isn't center right enough for the Democratic establishment. Doesn't matter how much more popular and more likely to win they are if they rallied behind Bernie (instead of constantly sniping at him) they'll find someone who won't call them out for their history of failures. EDIT: That said I'd prefer if Bernie backed a younger version of himself more attuned with the groups Bernie isn't. I want Hillary Clinton to run again. 3rd time lucky right? She did win last time in my eyes how can you have 3 million more votes than the opponent in a modern democracy but not win is beyond me but w/e. Her time is up now IMO democrats need someone new. Every other seat is government is decided by popular vote. But because we are a nation of states, the presidency is decided though a different system. And sometimes that popular vote does not mean the person becomes president. I know that, I still think its a dumb system for a presidential election, if your electing a parliament sure go by states but not what is essentially a 1on1 contest for 1 man/woman to be president. The problem is that a popular vote system in a nation our size is equally fucked up. The middle of the country wouldn't matter to the president. Nothing destroys a union of states faster than deciding only like 5-10 of them matter.
That's more of a problem with the electoral college and the winner-take-all status of most states, not a popular vote where every vote - including the minority of conservatives in California or liberals in Texas - is weighted equally and is counted. Right now, only swing states matter... The location of your vote matters more than anything. 90+% of Americans live in a state that is already too blue or too red from the electoral map to realistically flip, so appealing to the popular vote would validate everyone's vote and would encourage more people to vote (since their vote would actually matter).
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Counterspin: Trump blames God and/or Chinese for hurricane and devastation.
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On October 02 2017 08:14 sc-darkness wrote:Speaking of Hillary Clinton, have you watched Jonathan Pie's "President Trump: How & Why..." video? It's so accurate about why Trump won.
Pie has got a lot of good stuff. He's also been a interesting view into UK politics.
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On October 02 2017 07:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2017 07:30 Zaros wrote:On October 02 2017 07:28 Plansix wrote:On October 02 2017 07:23 Zaros wrote:On October 02 2017 07:00 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 02 2017 06:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 06:40 sc-darkness wrote:
When do democrats announce who their new president will be? I'm curious. Hopefully someone like Bernie Sanders. They are desperate to find anyone they can to carry the neoliberal flag and still get elected. Bernie isn't center right enough for the Democratic establishment. Doesn't matter how much more popular and more likely to win they are if they rallied behind Bernie (instead of constantly sniping at him) they'll find someone who won't call them out for their history of failures. EDIT: That said I'd prefer if Bernie backed a younger version of himself more attuned with the groups Bernie isn't. I want Hillary Clinton to run again. 3rd time lucky right? She did win last time in my eyes how can you have 3 million more votes than the opponent in a modern democracy but not win is beyond me but w/e. Her time is up now IMO democrats need someone new. Every other seat is government is decided by popular vote. But because we are a nation of states, the presidency is decided though a different system. And sometimes that popular vote does not mean the person becomes president. I know that, I still think its a dumb system for a presidential election, if your electing a parliament sure go by states but not what is essentially a 1on1 contest for 1 man/woman to be president. The problem is that a popular vote system in a nation our size is equally fucked up. The middle of the country wouldn't matter to the president. Nothing destroys a union of states faster than deciding only like 5-10 of them matter.
The whole US system is a gigantic mess. FPTP combined with the weird electoral college makes sense when moving information from place to place takes weeks. It doesn't make sense nowadays.
The main principle of democracy is that every vote is equal. That is the defining idea. No matter if you are smart or stupid, rich or poor, beautiful or ugly, man or woman, black or white, your vote counts the exact same. (Granted, the latter two took a while too). But in the US, that isn't true. Loads of votes don't count at all due to FPTP, and even among those that do count, some count more than other due to the electoral college distribution.
There are other bad effects of the system too, like splitting the country into two groups. That is due to FPTP voting. The whole toxicity is based on the fact that there are only two camps, so you don't have to be good, you just have to make the other guy look bad. In a reasonable system, you are not stuck on voting for the lesser of two evils, because you have more than two options. Of course, that doesn't work with FPTP. And thus, you have a split country where half the country hates the other half, and the halves constantly move further apart.
Gerrimandering, also a result of an FPTP system. In a proportional system, you basically don't have that problem at all. And besides the partisan problems with this, gerrimandering makes votes not count, which is poison to a democracy.
So many votes simply don't matter, and people know it before the election. That makes them feel that it is not them deciding, but other people elsewhere.
Not to mention Tuesday voting without having a day of from work, and hour long queues. We had an election in Germany a week ago. It was on a sunday. It takes you less than 30 minutes to vote. There is barely any opportunity cost (It actually took me a total of 10 minutes, including walking to the polling place). Why does this not work in the US?
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On October 02 2017 07:04 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2017 07:00 Adreme wrote:On October 02 2017 06:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 06:40 sc-darkness wrote:
When do democrats announce who their new president will be? I'm curious. Hopefully someone like Bernie Sanders. They are desperate to find anyone they can to carry the neoliberal flag and still get elected. Bernie isn't center right enough for the Democratic establishment. Doesn't matter how much more popular and more likely to win they are if they rallied behind Bernie (instead of constantly sniping at him) they'll find someone who won't call them out for their history of failures. Bernie was basically the same as Trump though just for the left when it came to the issues. A man with great ideals but when you looked closely it all fell apart at the seams. For all his plans not a single one had math that backed it up. It was all empty promises and guarantees that the money would happen somehow. That is the sole reason I didnt vote for him. Not because of some democratic conspiracy but because his plans were not based in reality which is the same reason I didnt vote for Trump. I thought this was bull in 2016 I still think it is. Bernie was not "Basically the same as Trump" it's really hard to take someone seriously if they start with that premise.
In terms of personality ya they are wildly different. I would never go that far but in terms of policy both used EXACTLY the same tactic to appeal to different bases. They both had different boogiemen but at there core they both had these bold ideas that did not jive with reality.
Take healthcare for instance. On the right you had Trump promising better healthcare, for less money and more coverage. How is he going to do it? Because he is a dealmaker and those politicians are just awful at there jobs and he will make deals that will provide this magical healthcare at a high level. However Bernie at least had a basic idea. Healthcare for everyone but when it came to paying for it it was again someone elses problem. In Bernies case it was the idea that the rich would simply "pay there fair share" and then that banks would "stop cheating the system" and that would pay for it.
Neither idea really jiving with reality but both are at there core populists and a populist message often does not jive with reality but sounds good and feels good so people will be motivated and vote for it anyway.
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On October 02 2017 08:43 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2017 07:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 07:00 Adreme wrote:On October 02 2017 06:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 06:40 sc-darkness wrote:
When do democrats announce who their new president will be? I'm curious. Hopefully someone like Bernie Sanders. They are desperate to find anyone they can to carry the neoliberal flag and still get elected. Bernie isn't center right enough for the Democratic establishment. Doesn't matter how much more popular and more likely to win they are if they rallied behind Bernie (instead of constantly sniping at him) they'll find someone who won't call them out for their history of failures. Bernie was basically the same as Trump though just for the left when it came to the issues. A man with great ideals but when you looked closely it all fell apart at the seams. For all his plans not a single one had math that backed it up. It was all empty promises and guarantees that the money would happen somehow. That is the sole reason I didnt vote for him. Not because of some democratic conspiracy but because his plans were not based in reality which is the same reason I didnt vote for Trump. I thought this was bull in 2016 I still think it is. Bernie was not "Basically the same as Trump" it's really hard to take someone seriously if they start with that premise. In terms of personality ya they are wildly different. I would never go that far but in terms of policy both used EXACTLY the same tactic to appeal to different bases. They both had different boogiemen but at there core they both had these bold ideas that did not jive with reality. Take healthcare for instance. On the right you had Trump promising better healthcare, for less money and more coverage. How is he going to do it? Because he is a dealmaker and those politicians are just awful at there jobs and he will make deals that will provide this magical healthcare at a high level. However Bernie at least had a basic idea. Healthcare for everyone but when it came to paying for it it was again someone elses problem. In Bernies case it was the idea that the rich would simply "pay there fair share" and then that banks would "stop cheating the system" and that would pay for it. Neither idea really jiving with reality but both are at there core populists and a populist message often does not jive with reality but sounds good and feels good so people will be motivated and vote for it anyway.
Did you read the pay-for on Medicare for All and come to that conclusion or are you just repeating something you heard/read?
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On October 02 2017 08:43 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2017 07:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 07:00 Adreme wrote:On October 02 2017 06:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 06:40 sc-darkness wrote:
When do democrats announce who their new president will be? I'm curious. Hopefully someone like Bernie Sanders. They are desperate to find anyone they can to carry the neoliberal flag and still get elected. Bernie isn't center right enough for the Democratic establishment. Doesn't matter how much more popular and more likely to win they are if they rallied behind Bernie (instead of constantly sniping at him) they'll find someone who won't call them out for their history of failures. Bernie was basically the same as Trump though just for the left when it came to the issues. A man with great ideals but when you looked closely it all fell apart at the seams. For all his plans not a single one had math that backed it up. It was all empty promises and guarantees that the money would happen somehow. That is the sole reason I didnt vote for him. Not because of some democratic conspiracy but because his plans were not based in reality which is the same reason I didnt vote for Trump. I thought this was bull in 2016 I still think it is. Bernie was not "Basically the same as Trump" it's really hard to take someone seriously if they start with that premise. In terms of personality ya they are wildly different. I would never go that far but in terms of policy both used EXACTLY the same tactic to appeal to different bases. They both had different boogiemen but at there core they both had these bold ideas that did not jive with reality. Take healthcare for instance. On the right you had Trump promising better healthcare, for less money and more coverage. How is he going to do it? Because he is a dealmaker and those politicians are just awful at there jobs and he will make deals that will provide this magical healthcare at a high level. However Bernie at least had a basic idea. Healthcare for everyone but when it came to paying for it it was again someone elses problem. In Bernies case it was the idea that the rich would simply "pay there fair share" and then that banks would "stop cheating the system" and that would pay for it.Neither idea really jiving with reality but both are at there core populists and a populist message often does not jive with reality but sounds good and feels good so people will be motivated and vote for it anyway.
The US already pays more per capita on healthcare than countries with UHC. The cost of UHC is a nonissue at this point.
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On October 02 2017 08:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2017 08:43 Adreme wrote:On October 02 2017 07:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 07:00 Adreme wrote:On October 02 2017 06:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 06:40 sc-darkness wrote:
When do democrats announce who their new president will be? I'm curious. Hopefully someone like Bernie Sanders. They are desperate to find anyone they can to carry the neoliberal flag and still get elected. Bernie isn't center right enough for the Democratic establishment. Doesn't matter how much more popular and more likely to win they are if they rallied behind Bernie (instead of constantly sniping at him) they'll find someone who won't call them out for their history of failures. Bernie was basically the same as Trump though just for the left when it came to the issues. A man with great ideals but when you looked closely it all fell apart at the seams. For all his plans not a single one had math that backed it up. It was all empty promises and guarantees that the money would happen somehow. That is the sole reason I didnt vote for him. Not because of some democratic conspiracy but because his plans were not based in reality which is the same reason I didnt vote for Trump. I thought this was bull in 2016 I still think it is. Bernie was not "Basically the same as Trump" it's really hard to take someone seriously if they start with that premise. In terms of personality ya they are wildly different. I would never go that far but in terms of policy both used EXACTLY the same tactic to appeal to different bases. They both had different boogiemen but at there core they both had these bold ideas that did not jive with reality. Take healthcare for instance. On the right you had Trump promising better healthcare, for less money and more coverage. How is he going to do it? Because he is a dealmaker and those politicians are just awful at there jobs and he will make deals that will provide this magical healthcare at a high level. However Bernie at least had a basic idea. Healthcare for everyone but when it came to paying for it it was again someone elses problem. In Bernies case it was the idea that the rich would simply "pay there fair share" and then that banks would "stop cheating the system" and that would pay for it. Neither idea really jiving with reality but both are at there core populists and a populist message often does not jive with reality but sounds good and feels good so people will be motivated and vote for it anyway. Did you read the pay-for on Medicare for All and come to that conclusion or are you just repeating something you heard/read?
His current one I have not read mostly because I have not had the same amount of free time I had early last year but if its like his previous one during the campaign which along with his college plan left massive budget shortfalls which were not accounted for. I like the idea in principle but he was running as a populist with the message that you can have all of these things and not have to pay more or sacrifice because the only reason you don't is because of wall street.
Bernie used wall street like Donald Trump uses immigrants and foreigners. If you have ever watched them both speak one after the other its really obvious how similar there speaking styles are. I know that there is little crossover between people who love one or the other but it truly is interesting in how similar they are.
I will say this though about his health plan though I say it from only a few reports on it so I accept that there is a solid chance I am wrong on it and would welcome links to information showing why, and that is that if his plan truly is "medicare for all" and part of paying for it involves slashing the subsidies that government currently pays for private health care then I have to wonder how many hospitals will be closing because of the massive loss of revenue. Maybe its changed in the past couple years but Medicare patients do not really make money for hospitals compared to ones under private insurance. If you do away with how they make money how will they continue on? That means if the idea ever reaches a point where its more then just politics it would also have to come with drug reform which suddenly is a whole other problem that takes a ton of time and not really as simple to break down the cost of.
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On October 02 2017 09:05 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2017 08:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 08:43 Adreme wrote:On October 02 2017 07:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 07:00 Adreme wrote:On October 02 2017 06:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 02 2017 06:40 sc-darkness wrote:
When do democrats announce who their new president will be? I'm curious. Hopefully someone like Bernie Sanders. They are desperate to find anyone they can to carry the neoliberal flag and still get elected. Bernie isn't center right enough for the Democratic establishment. Doesn't matter how much more popular and more likely to win they are if they rallied behind Bernie (instead of constantly sniping at him) they'll find someone who won't call them out for their history of failures. Bernie was basically the same as Trump though just for the left when it came to the issues. A man with great ideals but when you looked closely it all fell apart at the seams. For all his plans not a single one had math that backed it up. It was all empty promises and guarantees that the money would happen somehow. That is the sole reason I didnt vote for him. Not because of some democratic conspiracy but because his plans were not based in reality which is the same reason I didnt vote for Trump. I thought this was bull in 2016 I still think it is. Bernie was not "Basically the same as Trump" it's really hard to take someone seriously if they start with that premise. In terms of personality ya they are wildly different. I would never go that far but in terms of policy both used EXACTLY the same tactic to appeal to different bases. They both had different boogiemen but at there core they both had these bold ideas that did not jive with reality. Take healthcare for instance. On the right you had Trump promising better healthcare, for less money and more coverage. How is he going to do it? Because he is a dealmaker and those politicians are just awful at there jobs and he will make deals that will provide this magical healthcare at a high level. However Bernie at least had a basic idea. Healthcare for everyone but when it came to paying for it it was again someone elses problem. In Bernies case it was the idea that the rich would simply "pay there fair share" and then that banks would "stop cheating the system" and that would pay for it. Neither idea really jiving with reality but both are at there core populists and a populist message often does not jive with reality but sounds good and feels good so people will be motivated and vote for it anyway. Did you read the pay-for on Medicare for All and come to that conclusion or are you just repeating something you heard/read? His current one I have not read mostly because I have not had the same amount of free time I had early last year but if its like his previous one during the campaign which along with his college plan left massive budget shortfalls which were not accounted for. I like the idea in principle but he was running as a populist with the message that you can have all of these things and not have to pay more or sacrifice because the only reason you don't is because of wall street. Bernie used wall street like Donald Trump uses immigrants and foreigners. If you have ever watched them both speak one after the other its really obvious how similar there speaking styles are. I know that there is little crossover between people who love one or the other but it truly is interesting in how similar they are. I will say this though about his health plan though I say it from only a few reports on it so I accept that there is a solid chance I am wrong on it and would welcome links to information showing why, and that is that if his plan truly is "medicare for all" and part of paying for it involves slashing the subsidies that government currently pays for private health care then I have to wonder how many hospitals will be closing because of the massive loss of revenue. Maybe its changed in the past couple years but Medicare patients do not really make money for hospitals compared to ones under private insurance. If you do away with how they make money how will they continue on? That means if the idea ever reaches a point where its more then just politics it would also have to come with drug reform which suddenly is a whole other problem that takes a ton of time and not really as simple to break down the cost of.
I think you're somewhat confusing Medicare and Medicaid. Medicaid pays physicians and hospitals about 56% of what private insurance does, while Medicare pays about 80% (though it varies highly by service). A lot more doctors accept Medicare than Medicaid. If accepting Medicare wasn't profitable, nobody anywhere would be caring for the elderly.
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What Puerto Rico Needs: Trump Dedicates Golf Tourney Trophy to Hurricane Victims
Amid media criticism for his handling of the post-hurricane crisis in Puerto Rico, President Donald Trump participated in the trophy ceremony at the President’s Cup golf tournament in New Jersey today — in which he dedicated the win to victims.
Trump’s full statement at the cup ceremoney went as follows:
“We really have it under great control, Puerto Rico and the people of Florida that have suffered over this short period of time with the hurricanes. I want to just remember them, and we’re going to dedicate this trophy to all of those people that went through so much that we love, a part of our great states and a part of our great nation.”
The president also thanked the US players who won the tournament by calling them “special people” with “incredible talent.” Additionally, he gave the losing teams a shout out by referring tot them as “amazing… internationals.”
During the weekend, Trump confirmed via Twitter that he plans on finally visiting Puerto Rico to aid in relief efforts and see the impacted areas for himself.
While Trump’s cameo was certainly the news of the closing ceremonies, as he is the first sitting president to attend the event, Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton also participated in the golf tournament by joining the opening ceremonies earlier in the week.
Watch above via Golf Channel.
(They have the video there and I don't think I can embed it).
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I don't even know what to make of this move.
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Norway28796 Posts
The 'bernie is a leftist donald trump' isn't accurate at all. But that he was less able to go into detail on how to accomplish his political goals than Hillary was, that's a totally legitimate point of view. I thought he came off as somewhat dishonest when talking about his tax plan, and I thought he came off as not knowing what he was talking about when he talked about regulating wall street. But if you're making a 'policy wonk scale'
and it goes like
totally wonk totally clueless
--X------------------------------------------------------------------------D--
then if Hillary is the big X and Trump is the big D then Bernie is way left on that scale.
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Bernie was something of an idealist. Clearly didn't think every one of his policies through in depth and was a little on the ambitious end, but was far from proposing foolish or impractical ideas. It was clear he would have picked up the things he didn't know because he seemed quite competent and nothing he said was absurd or impossible. The fact that he seems to have done good work in shoring up some of his weaknesses after the election bears testament to that.
He certainly was a little too redundant and dogmatic once in a while. I could see why people might have wanted someone else. But anyone who said he was treated fairly is deluding themselves. Even Hillary in her book makes a huge deal about how he isn't even a Democrat god dang it! As if that means anything important.
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On October 02 2017 09:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:
The 'bernie is a leftist donald trump' isn't accurate at all. But that he was less able to go into detail on how to accomplish his political goals than Hillary was, that's a totally legitimate point of view. I thought he came off as somewhat dishonest when talking about his tax plan, and I thought he came off as not knowing what he was talking about when he talked about regulating wall street. But if you're making a 'policy wonk scale'
and it goes like
totally wonk totally clueless
--X------------------------------------------------------------------------D--
then if Hillary is the big X and Trump is the big D then Bernie is way left on that scale.
I wouldn't really argue with this other than to say that Bernie is known by people on both sides of the aisle as "the most honest man in the Senate" so if we were to adjust that scale to measure honesty, Hillary's a lot closer to Trump on the honesty scale than Bernie is to Trump on the clueless scale.
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On October 02 2017 09:33 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2017 09:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:
The 'bernie is a leftist donald trump' isn't accurate at all. But that he was less able to go into detail on how to accomplish his political goals than Hillary was, that's a totally legitimate point of view. I thought he came off as somewhat dishonest when talking about his tax plan, and I thought he came off as not knowing what he was talking about when he talked about regulating wall street. But if you're making a 'policy wonk scale'
and it goes like
totally wonk totally clueless
--X------------------------------------------------------------------------D--
then if Hillary is the big X and Trump is the big D then Bernie is way left on that scale. I wouldn't really argue with this other than to say that Bernie is known by people on both sides of the aisle as "the most honest man in the Senate" so if we were to adjust that scale to measure honesty, Hillary's a lot closer to Trump on the honesty scale than Bernie is to Trump on the clueless scale.
I am not going to dispute that Bernie is more honest than Hilary though no one is close to as dishonest as Trump. Trump might be the first politician who ever lies more than he tells the truth. He lies so much that I basically assume he is lying until proven otherwise. Honestly, my assessment of Hilary though is that she is far too calculating and quick to see avenues of attack which leads to her looking very rehearsed and robotic. Oddly enough though, because I wanted to check up on some figures before talking about this, if you trust Politifact as a source (I dont always but for the purposes of this experiment they are adequate I guess) her and Bernie had pretty much the same ratings. They had the same number (50%) of combined "Truths" and "Mostly Trues" and it hits 73% when you add in "half true" to that mix. For context, Trump is sitting at 17% on the first number and 32% on the second.
I am sure I could find more sources which would of course validate that Bernie is more honest than Hilary, but I suspect Hilary is not as dishonest as you would think and nowhere near Trumps level. If you were doing a Bernie to Trump honestly scale she scales much more heavily to Bernie then Trump (honestly though I'd probably use Biden as an honestly scale since he has no filter at all).
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