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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On October 02 2017 12:22 RealityIsKing wrote: 4) He and a significant group of people know exactly what he means by that. I know exactly what you mean. This tells me everything I need to know. | ||
KwarK
United States42653 Posts
On behalf of all of the people of Texas, and all of the people -- if you look today and see what is happening, how horrible it is but we have it under really great control -- Puerto Rico and the people of Florida who have really suffered over this last short period of time with the hurricanes, I want to just remember them I am certain that his remembering of them, and of his own really great control, will help inspire them to win their own golf trophies in the coming weeks. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On October 02 2017 15:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AP/status/914731999566422016 Edit: jesus... https://twitter.com/braileyjones/status/914728970658000896 Sounded automatic with large magazines. That's not a cheap weapon. Probably a lot of injured/casualties. It's a pretty horrific situation and the perpetrator is unlikely to be taken alive. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
I'm tired of living with this evil. So fucking done with it. They're saying over 50 dead. From 1 geriatric man. But at least we have our fucking militias. We may have enabled our population to commit mass-violence on any given whim, but at least I know my government will never be usurped by some lunatic who is actually a foreign-puppet. Oh, wait... | ||
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Grettin
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micronesia
United States24676 Posts
On October 02 2017 19:43 Leporello wrote: Well, the party of Trump has always had this awesome, intelligent belief that proliferating millions of automatic weapons into random civies would just make things wonderful and safe. I'm tired of living with this evil. So fucking done with it. They're saying over 50 dead. From 1 geriatric man. But at least we have our fucking militias. That way I know my government will never be usurped by a foreign-puppet. Oh, wait... I know this is too much to ask judging by every previous shooting since this thread was originally made, but can you wait until a little more info is out before completely politicizing this? What type of gun was being used? Was the shooter actually a swat team instructor? The context matters a lot if we are going to try to draw conclusions. First of all we don't know the full scope of the tragedy but it's clearly very bad. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
This is politics. Tragedy is politics. I hardly need more details on this one instance to know that there is a serious heavy-gun proliferation problem in America, brought upon us by people who are classically, timelessly greedy and evil, and who are in fact, political operators, as they need to be to market and sell their "patriotic" flesh-ripping instruments. I've said my piece, so I'll digress. | ||
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micronesia
United States24676 Posts
On October 02 2017 19:58 Leporello wrote: From 1 old man, over 50 dead, is confirmed. This is politics. Tragedy is politics. I hardly need more details on this one instance to know that there is a serious heavy-gun proliferation problem in America, brought upon us by people who are classically, timelessly greedy and evil, and who are in fact, political operators, as they need to be to market and sell their "patriotic" flesh-ripping instruments. It's quite possible that in many countries including those with very restrictive gun laws, someone like the shooter could have had access to the exact type of weapon used in the shooting (of which I still don't know what it is). If that's the case, then you really do need more details before bringing U.S. gun laws into it... the problem then would be something else. If your way of coping with tragedy is to make assumptions and try to start an argument in lieu of sufficient details to at least know what happened, then I suppose I wouldn't want to stop you from coping. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Also how do you live to 64 and decide, yeah now is the time to shoot up some young people... wtf | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On October 02 2017 19:43 Leporello wrote: Well, the party of Trump has always had this awesome, intelligent belief that proliferating millions of automatic weapons into random civies would just make things wonderful and safe. I'm tired of living with this evil. So fucking done with it. They're saying over 50 dead. From 1 geriatric man. But at least we have our fucking militias. We may have enabled our population to commit mass-violence on any given whim, but at least I know my government will never be usurped by some lunatic who is actually a foreign-puppet. Oh, wait... Just factually wrong. There is no proliferation of millions of automatic weapons. Automatic weapons have been heavily regulated since 1986. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.” Source Evergreen. There is nothing that can be done. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On October 02 2017 20:27 ahswtini wrote: Just factually wrong. There is no proliferation of millions of automatic weapons. Automatic weapons have been heavily regulated since 1986. Based on my understanding of the law, since 1986: 1. No new automatic firearms can be sold in USA to civilians. 2. About ~150k existing automatic firearms that were legally owned at the time can still be bought and sold. 3. Any transfer of one of those automatic firearms is very heavily scrutinized, regulated, and licensed by the Federal government, at the kind of level that even progressives like myself are satisfied. As a result, if you wanted to purchase an automatic firearm (legally) in USA, you'd need to go through very extensive background checks, and the firearm would cost $5,000 at LEAST. Also, as far as I understand it, no changes have been made to these laws recently. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35143 Posts
On October 02 2017 20:02 micronesia wrote: It's quite possible that in many countries including those with very restrictive gun laws, someone like the shooter could have had access to the exact type of weapon used in the shooting (of which I still don't know what it is). If that's the case, then you really do need more details before bringing U.S. gun laws into it... the problem then would be something else. If your way of coping with tragedy is to make assumptions and try to start an argument in lieu of sufficient details to at least know what happened, then I suppose I wouldn't want to stop you from coping. Possible, but increasingly unlikely. There's a reason why countries where owning a gun is illegal/heavily regulated have fewer deaths from gunfire per capita. I'm tired of swaths of people being dead because somebody had a gun that shouldn't have. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On October 02 2017 20:36 Blazinghand wrote: Based on my understanding of the law, since 1986: 1. No new automatic firearms can be sold in USA to civilians. 2. About ~150k existing automatic firearms that were legally owned at the time can still be bought and sold. 3. Any transfer of one of those automatic firearms is very heavily scrutinized, regulated, and licensed by the Federal government, at the kind of level that even progressives like myself are satisfied. As a result, if you wanted to purchase an automatic firearm (legally) in USA, you'd need to go through very extensive background checks, and the firearm would cost $5,000 at LEAST. Also, as far as I understand it, no changes have been made to these laws recently. Yep, thanks for elaborating. Like I mentioned earlier, from the audio of the gunshots, it sounds like the firearm was modified to be automatic, or bump fired | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On October 02 2017 20:40 ahswtini wrote: Yep, thanks for elaborating. Like I mentioned earlier, from the audio of the gunshots, it sounds like the firearm was modified to be automatic, or bump fired Various explanations possible if there are many shots happening in rapid succession: Bump firing Legally purchased automatic firearm Semi-automatic firearm, legally purchased, modified to fire automatic (an SKS could modified to intentionally slamfire pretty easily for ex) Illegally purchased automatic firearm None of this is good. Every time I read an update seems like the body count has climbed. Jeez, this is a bad situation. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1924 Posts
At this point, arguing about automatic or not automatic is missing the point. There is virtually no reason to sell AR15s to your citizens. What are you afraid about? a Zombie apocalypse? Alien invasion? Or are those for deerhunting? | ||
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