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On September 19 2017 00:27 RealityIsKing wrote:


Set up a vote.

On September 19 2017 00:13 Gahlo wrote:

Nobody wants the FF statues taken down, they just want to be given the proper historical context instead of being made out as the Justice League, saving the colonies from the evil British Empire.

On September 19 2017 00:27 RealityIsKing wrote:


Set up a vote.

On September 19 2017 00:32 LegalLord wrote:

You toss that term around far, far too loosely. It makes it difficult to call a real fascist a fascist when any two-bit Don or Steve is a fascist nowadays by the standards of those who don't like people calling them fascists.

On September 19 2017 00:27 RealityIsKing wrote:


Set up a vote.

On September 19 2017 00:34 Sermokala wrote:

I'm sure the political cleansing process afterwords would go down really well. Not to mention one side having all the land but no money while the other side has money but no land. They'll live in perfect harmony and not get into the war you think is being avoided.

On September 19 2017 00:34 Broetchenholer wrote:....
Racist statues need to be taken down, founding fathers can stay if you want them as long as you contextualize them in detail somewhere else.

On September 19 2017 00:50 mustaju wrote:

What if there's suddenly socialist separatists in the south or libertarian unrest in the north? Divide the country in 4? Maybe into 50?

The Senate Judiciary Committee is planning hearings for legislation that would protect Special Counsel Robert Mueller from being fired by President Trump.

There are currently two sets of bipartisan bills aimed at protecting Mueller. The first bill is being introduced by Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) and Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.), and would only allow the most senior Justice Department official to fire Mueller.

The second bill, introduced by Sen. Corey Booker (D-N.J.) and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), would protect Mueller from being fired unless the attorney general tells a three-judge panel that there was "misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest or other good cause," according to CNN.

Tillis told CNN he was informed that the committee plans on to hold hearings on the legislation in the next two weeks, and that the committee's Chairman, Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa.), has not dismissed calling the bill up for a vote.

The development is a sign that the committee would be willing to go against Trump if he called to remove Mueller.

The Trump administration has expressed great displeasure if Mueller's probe, often citing his staff's ties to Democratic campaigns. The president also publicly warned Mueller not to probe his finances in an interview last July.

It has since been reported that Mueller is looking at Trump's financial history as part of the probe into Russian election interference.

The Senate Judiciary Committee recently set its sights on the president's son, Donald Trump Jr., following reports of his 2016 meeting with a Russian attorney.

The younger Trump met with Senate staffers for more than five hours last week, in which he said he accepted a meeting with a Russian lawyer promising dirt on Hillary Clinton because he wanted to assess her “fitness” for office.

On a sweltering Washington summer day, President Donald Trump's motorcade pulled up to the Pentagon for a meeting largely billed as a briefing on the Afghanistan conflict and the fight against the Islamic State group.

There, in the windowless meeting room known as "The Tank", Trump was to be briefed on the state of America's longest-running war as he and his top aides plotted ways ahead. But, according to current and former U.S. officials familiar with the meeting, it was, in reality, about much more.

Trump's national security team had become alarmed by the president's frequent questioning about the value of a robust American presence around the world. When briefed on the diplomatic, military and intelligence posts, the new president would often cast doubt on the need for all the resources.

Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson organized the July 20 session to lay out the case for maintaining far-flung outposts — and to present it, using charts and maps, in a way the businessman-turned-politician would appreciate.

The session was, in effect, American Power 101 and the student was the man working the levers. It was part of the ongoing education of a president who arrived at the White House with no experience in the military or government and brought with him advisers deeply skeptical of what they labeled the "globalist" worldview.

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In the weeks since the briefing in the Tank, Trump has split with top adviser Steve Bannon, the engine of many of his nationalist, isolationist policies. He threatened war with North Korea and agreed to send more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, abandoning his promise to withdraw quickly. Announcing the plan, Trump acknowledged the influence of his advisers.

"My original instinct was to pull out — and, historically, I like following my instincts," Trump said. "But all my life I've heard that decisions are much different when you sit behind the desk in the Oval Office; in other words, when you're President of the United States. So I studied Afghanistan in great detail and from every conceivable angle."

On September 19 2017 00:13 RealityIsKing wrote:
Well listen, people on this thread have already dug their heels into whatever position they want to believe.

You got Kwark, P6, zlefin who believes in white males oppression (which is historically accurate) vs LegalLord, Danglar, xDaunt who are like but that was past, the country should be mature enough to move pass that.

I personally think that the country should be divided into two via the libertarian route because it is now impossible for the two sides to see each other's point without getting violent.