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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 15 2017 21:42 brian wrote: slippery slope is ridiculous. what WILL they do next? actually vandalize these statues? that shit happens every year to the real memorials in DC, but because we can identify they were black it's news? Gotta create that us v them mentality. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Pretty much. It is black people talking about something one of the founding fathers totally did and that is completely glossed over teachings of history. But because it’s about a statue, they are destroying history. On September 15 2017 21:52 Sermokala wrote: It's politics. Once one thing happened other people start asking if thing will happen somewhere else. It's no different then gay marriage or pot legalization. Most politicians are just fish navigating the stream the best they can. The thing is, it happens other places, all the time, constantly. People protest all sorts of monuments in the US. But this one just happens to be getting a lot of media coverage. | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
On September 15 2017 21:52 Sermokala wrote: It's politics. Once one thing happened other people start asking if thing will happen somewhere else. It's no different then gay marriage or pot legalization. Most politicians are just fish navigating the stream the best they can. but it already is happening. and the only differences are that the actual vandals aren't photographed being black. i guess that slippery slope got in the cart ahead of the horse. but surprise, nobody cared. and to call our danglars 'out: in:' joke retort, don't pretend both can't be reasonable. you want an honest discussion about outrage for statues, we had one. this one isn't honest from the start so i don't think the response of 'who cares' is far fetched and certainly not as hypocritical as you're making it out to be. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 15 2017 21:53 brian wrote: but it already is happening. and the only differences are that the actual vandals aren't photographed being black. And couldn’t be linked to BLM: The group that could totally come to your area and attack your statues, history and way of life. | ||
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brian
United States9643 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
I don't think Jefferson would mind what blm did really. He was a man of compromise and worked with the slave owning south while calling it a blot on the nation. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
Edit: holy shit, don't go down the rabbit hole of looking into the credentials of corporate officers unless you want to pull your hair out and scream. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 15 2017 22:40 farvacola wrote: Word on the street is that Equifax employs a music MFA as chief security officer... Edit: holy shit, don't go down the rabbit hole of looking into the credentials of corporate officers unless you want to pull your hair out and scream. Welcome to my nightmare. Try cold calling them asking what they are authorized to deal with and sign. They don't know and they don't know who would know. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
On September 15 2017 21:42 brian wrote: slippery slope is ridiculous. what WILL they do next? actually vandalize these statues? that shit happens every year to the real memorials in DC, but because we can identify they were black it's news? my bad, three times already this year that i've found on a ten second glance. where's the outrage? Perhaps. But it's not a completely unreasonable slippery slope to forsee. Up in Canada, we're starting the process of renaming schools that were named after John A MacDonald- our first prime minister and a father of Confederation. Your equivalent of George Washington, minus the whole general of the army part. Is he not very progressive by modern standard? Yes. Was he pretty progressive for his time period? ...Actually yes. But that doesn't matter. We will hold them to the standards of today and down they fall. | ||
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KwarK
United States44382 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 15 2017 16:46 Aquanim wrote: A casual inspection of Jefferson's Wikipedia page says nothing about him being a rapist. However, it does indicate that the charge of racism has sufficient basis to be at least credible, which is the more relevant charge with respect to "white supremacy" anyway. Given that, I don't think it's particularly unreasonable to say that "white supremacy" plays a non-zero part in the reason why Jefferson has the amount of respect which he does. Postscript 1: Personally I don't really consider "founding father" to be a particularly virtuous title inherently, it's just a statement of historical fact. I'm not an American, though, so I imagine at least some of you feel differently. Postscript 2: I'm explicitly not saying that Jefferson isn't worthy of respect, I'm saying that he might have some amount less if not for "white supremacism" and analogous concepts. So you're saying people should shroud the nation's founders because racism is nonzero white supremacy? Surely you're doing this ironically to make fun of people that actually believe that? The logical leap of nonzero racism to white supremacy to a credible charge is worthy of BLM and Antifa. Statues of the nation's founders doesn't imply virtue. They made a nation that has endured for 200 years. You make a statue to honor their good deeds and not to whitewash their bad. Human beings are complex creatures. You imply everybody else thinks people are all good. Also, it's a little telling you can't relate to a nation's founders being honored by that nation's citizens ... Australia must fucking suck for you. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
The crazy part is that a large part of FL is red, but yet they're all applying for assistance programs which came from Democrats. If Republicans in FL don't do a thing to help (aka removing a lot of these budgets that will help Irma survivors), they're gone within the next few years. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On September 16 2017 00:13 Danglars wrote: So you're saying people should shroud the nation's founders because racism is nonzero white supremacy? Surely you're doing this ironically to make fun of people that actually believe that? The logical leap of nonzero racism to white supremacy to a credible charge is worthy of BLM and Antifa. They're asking for an acknowledgement of that white supremacy, which seems like a not unreasonable thing to ask for. I don't see putting a shroud on a statue as a particularly unreasonable thing to do to illustrate a point. You apparently do, for reasons that aren't clear to me. Statues of the nation's founders doesn't imply virtue. They made a nation that has endured for 200 years. You make a statue to honor their good deeds and not to whitewash their bad. Does this mean you have no objection to putting something on the statue to contextualise it? Human beings are complex creatures. You imply everybody else thinks people are all good. Also, it's a little telling you can't relate to a nation's founders being honored by that nation's citizens ... Australia must fucking suck for you. I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with the personal crack about Australia. The rest of this is you taking a tilt at something I did not say. | ||
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KwarK
United States44382 Posts
and cutting off the internet Presumably he will be calling up Bill Gates and asking why the internet is still on. https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2015/12/08/donald-trump-thinks-he-can-call-bill-gates-to-shut-down-the-internet/#33b8c6602fa5 | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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