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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 15 2017 01:04 GMT
#174801
On September 15 2017 08:41 Ghostcom wrote:
Google controversy take two: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-sued-pay-bias-against-women/

This should be good.

Yeah. Judging by the stuff the NYT dug up a while ago and googles push for diversity they knew they had a problem. Not really that shocked.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
September 15 2017 01:12 GMT
#174802
Is Danglers really getting his panties in a twist because they covered a statue in a shroud? Not even damaging it?

Remind me who the easily triggered snowflakes are again?
Never Knows Best.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
September 15 2017 01:15 GMT
#174803
On September 15 2017 10:04 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2017 08:41 Ghostcom wrote:
Google controversy take two: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-sued-pay-bias-against-women/

This should be good.

Yeah. Judging by the stuff the NYT dug up a while ago and googles push for diversity they knew they had a problem. Not really that shocked.


Google claim that internal data shows the claim is incorrect. Should be interesting to see their data.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 15 2017 01:19 GMT
#174804
On September 15 2017 10:15 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2017 10:04 Plansix wrote:
On September 15 2017 08:41 Ghostcom wrote:
Google controversy take two: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-sued-pay-bias-against-women/

This should be good.

Yeah. Judging by the stuff the NYT dug up a while ago and googles push for diversity they knew they had a problem. Not really that shocked.


Google claim that internal data shows the claim is incorrect. Should be interesting to see their data.

They also told the labor department that providing pay all female employees was to expensive asked. I'm pretty sure they fucked up.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-15 01:23:10
September 15 2017 01:21 GMT
#174805
I have literally no idea what you were trying to convey, can you please clean the first sentence up? Not to be a dick, but I've tried reading the sentence like 5 times and I only get more puzzled. Quite a few things points to Google having fucked up, but still, should be interesting to see their data.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
September 15 2017 01:25 GMT
#174806
538 did a chat about Hillary's book and the coverage of it and their reactions differed quite a bit from those of people in the thread. I'm curious what you guys think of it (and where you think they're wrong, I'm assuming).
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 15 2017 01:34 GMT
#174807
On September 15 2017 10:21 Ghostcom wrote:
I have literally no idea what you were trying to convey, can you please clean the first sentence up? Not to be a dick, but I've tried reading the sentence like 5 times and I only get more puzzled. Quite a few things points to Google having fucked up, but still, should be interesting to see their data.

Sorry. The booze and this terrible band is making it hard to phone post. Labor department asked google for all pay for female employees. Google said: that would cost to much, its overly burdensome.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 15 2017 01:44 GMT
#174808
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 15 2017 02:04 GMT
#174809
WASHINGTON — Shortly after learning in May that a special counsel had been appointed to investigate links between his campaign associates and Russia, President Trump berated Attorney General Jeff Sessions in an Oval Office meeting and said he should resign, according to current and former administration officials and others briefed on the matter.

The president attributed the appointment of the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, to Mr. Sessions’s decision to recuse himself from the Justice Department’s Russia investigation — a move Mr. Trump believes was the moment his administration effectively lost control over the inquiry. Accusing Mr. Sessions of “disloyalty,” Mr. Trump unleashed a string of insults on his attorney general.

Ashen and emotional, Mr. Sessions told the president he would quit and sent a resignation letter to the White House, according to four people who were told details of the meeting. Mr. Sessions would later tell associates that the demeaning way the president addressed him was the most humiliating experience in decades of public life.

The Oval Office meeting, details of which have not previously been reported, shows the intensity of Mr. Trump’s emotions as the Russia investigation gained steam and how he appeared to immediately see Mr. Mueller’s appointment as a looming problem for his administration. It also illustrates the depth of antipathy Mr. Trump has had for Mr. Sessions — one of his earliest campaign supporters — and how the president interprets “disloyalty” within his circle of advisers.

Mr. Trump ended up rejecting Mr. Sessions’s May resignation letter after senior members of his administration argued that dismissing the attorney general would only create more problems for a president who had already fired an F.B.I. director and a national security adviser. Mr. Trump once again, in July, told aides he wanted to remove Mr. Sessions, but for a second time didn’t take action.

The relationship between the two men has improved marginally since midsummer, as Mr. Sessions has made a public display of hunting for the leakers among the administration’s national security officials. His allies said that despite the humiliation, the attorney general has stayed in the job because he sees a “once-in-a-lifetime” opportunity as the nation’s top law enforcement official to toughen the country’s immigration policies.

But he may be losing that battle as well. Mr. Sessions played a prominent role announcing the end of the Obama-era program that provided protection to the children of undocumented immigrants, only to see his boss backtrack on the policy. On Thursday morning, Mr. Trump confirmed he had reached a deal with Democrats to provide protections for the so-called Dreamers.

This account is based on interviews with seven administration officials and others familiar with the interactions between Mr. Trump and Mr. Sessions in recent months who requested anonymity because they are not permitted to speak publicly about confidential conversations between the president and his aides. Politico first reported in July that Mr. Sessions had once offered his resignation letter, but the circumstances that prompted the letter — and Mr. Trump’s dressing down of the attorney general — have not previously been reported.

Press officers for the White House and Justice Department declined to comment.

The president’s outburst came in the middle of an Oval Office meeting that Mr. Trump had with top advisers on May 17 to discuss candidates to take over the F.B.I. after the president fired its director, James B. Comey, earlier that month. In addition to Mr. Sessions, Vice President Mike Pence; Donald F. McGahn II; the White House counsel; and several other aides attended the meeting.

In the middle of the meeting, Mr. McGahn received a phone call from Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who had been overseeing the Russia investigation since Mr. Sessions recused himself from the inquiry months earlier. Mr. Sessions had stepped aside after it was revealed he had not provided accurate testimony to Congress about his meetings with the Russian ambassador during the presidential campaign.

In the telephone call to Mr. McGahn, Mr. Rosenstein said he had decided to appoint Mr. Mueller to be a special counsel for the investigation. Congress had been putting pressure on Mr. Rosenstein to appoint a special counsel to put distance between the Trump administration and the Russia investigation, and just the day before The New York Times had revealed that Mr. Trump had once asked Mr. Comey to end the F.B.I.’s investigation into Michael T. Flynn, the former national security adviser.

When the phone call ended, Mr. McGahn relayed the news to the president and his aides. Almost immediately, Mr. Trump lobbed a volley of insults at Mr. Sessions, telling the attorney general it was his fault they were in the current situation. Mr. Trump told Mr. Sessions that choosing him to be attorney general was one of the worst decisions he had made, called him an “idiot,” and said that he should resign.

An emotional Mr. Sessions told the president he would resign and left the Oval Office. That evening, as the Justice Department publicly announced the appointment of Mr. Mueller, the attorney general wrote a brief resignation letter to the president that was later sent to the White House. A person familiar with the events raised the possibility that Mr. Sessions had become emotional because the impact of his recusal was becoming clear.

In the hours after the Oval Office meeting, however, Mr. Trump’s top advisers intervened to save Mr. Sessions’s job. Mr. Pence; Stephen K. Bannon, the president’s chief strategist at the time; and Reince Priebus, his chief of staff, all advised that accepting Mr. Sessions’s resignation would only sow more chaos inside the administration and rally Republicans in Congress against the president. Mr. Sessions, a former Alabama senator, served in the Senate for two decades.

The president relented, and eventually returned the resignation letter to Mr. Sessions — with a handwritten response on it.

For Mr. Sessions, the aggressiveness with which Mr. Trump has sought his removal was a blow. The son of a general store owner in a small town in Alabama, Mr. Sessions had long wanted to be the nation’s top federal law enforcement official or to serve in another top law enforcement or judicial post. He earned a reputation in the Senate as someone tough on immigration, and was the first senator to back Mr. Trump in the presidential campaign.

But their relationship began to deteriorate little more than a month after Mr. Trump was sworn in as president, after Mr. Sessions’s announcement that he was recusing himself from the Russia inquiry caught Mr. Trump by surprise.

The president spent months stewing about the recusal. In a July 19 interview with The Times, Mr. Trump said he never would have appointed Mr. Sessions to be attorney general if he knew he was going to recuse himself from the Russia investigation. Mr. Trump called the decision “very unfair to the president.”

Days after the Times interview, Mr. Trump told aides he wanted to replace Mr. Sessions. Some of the president’s aides, not sure if Mr. Trump really wanted the attorney general gone or was just working through his anger, were able to delay the firing until the president’s anger passed.

But Mr. Trump continued his public attacks in the days that followed, including taking to Twitter to call him “weak” — a word that is among the harshest criticisms in Mr. Trump’s arsenal.

Administration officials and some of Mr. Trump’s outside advisers have puzzled at Mr. Sessions’s decision to stay on. But people close to Mr. Sessions said that he did not leave because he had a chance to have an impact on what he sees as a defining issue of his career: curtailing legal and illegal immigration.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-15 03:00:08
September 15 2017 02:59 GMT
#174810
rip state department.


"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 15 2017 03:12 GMT
#174811
... why exactly?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 15 2017 03:14 GMT
#174812
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-15 03:18:59
September 15 2017 03:15 GMT
#174813
All Rex seems interested is cutting the budget. you can't take 10 billion dollars in funding away and keep it as effective. It's already understaffed and a mess right now. All the foreign policy experts I've seen think it's terrible. To paraphrase Mattis it means we're going to need more bombs
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 15 2017 03:21 GMT
#174814
Congress controls the budget, not Rex. They already shot him down once on this.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
September 15 2017 03:24 GMT
#174815
On September 15 2017 12:21 Plansix wrote:
Congress controls the budget, not Rex. They already shot him down once on this.


there's also this fact.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 15 2017 03:25 GMT
#174816
On September 15 2017 10:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/AngelRafPadilla/status/908478561522241536


chuck and nancy will meet with him, and trump will come out saying "why would we want to take healthcare away from americans? bad idea!"
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-15 03:28:51
September 15 2017 03:26 GMT
#174817
On September 15 2017 12:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2017 10:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/AngelRafPadilla/status/908478561522241536


chuck and nancy will meet with him, and trump will come out saying "why would we want to take healthcare away from americans? bad idea!"


Except Pelosi is against Single payer, so far, and Schumer. no idea what his position is tbh.

EDIT:



???
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 15 2017 03:30 GMT
#174818
they probably think single payer is not a very good proposal like i do. however, not supporting single payer is very different from supporting repeal of the ACA.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
September 15 2017 03:33 GMT
#174819
I fall strictly in the ben cardin camp on this one

"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-15 03:37:13
September 15 2017 03:36 GMT
#174820
Coverage doesn't equate to costs, many americans care about their rising costs until they actually regulate the medical industry over costs that wont go down, coverage is nice but the people not covered were mostly not covered because of cost.
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