EPTDanglars, have you completely lost your mind?
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Nyxisto
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Danglars, have you completely lost your mind? | ||
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Gorsameth
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On February 04 2014 13:56 FabledIntegral wrote: Really? Correlation is not causation? REALLY? Worst excuse ever. The fact that GDP is a bad evaluation of well being is well known, and it shouldn't even be up to discussion. Just look up the stiglitz commission if you don't know about it, it's a pretty good reflection on the subject, with plenty nobel prize winning economists. PS: you don't need to overreact each time someone says something that you don't agree with. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Dare I say America is right when it polls climate change at the bottom of future worries for the US alongside things like race relations and inequality? With the economy, debt, employment and others ranking in the top? I'll put everybody on that list alongside Obama and see them profit by comparison. Are you still hearing Hope and Change and Yes, We Can when you think of Obama? The first thought of my mind is something along the lines of, "My government did a terrible job of this, and I'm responsible, and I couldn't be madder which means you know it'll get fixed, and I had no idea the problem was that bad, and no staffer told me that was the case." He might be my last pick in a primary (birther eww), but the republic does not deserve another radical transformer. | ||
KwarK
United States42775 Posts
On February 04 2014 22:00 Danglars wrote: Save me from the global-warming-denier nonsense. We heard every heatwave, hurricane, and freak weather accident attributed to that boogeyman for years. We get a cold spell and all of a sudden the shivering pack screams from their caves, "It's Climate Change, you neanderthals." Can't have it both ways. If someone is literally too stupid to understand the difference between climate and weather then how on earth do you expect them to run the United States? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On February 04 2014 21:06 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: If I had a nickel every time this was said of Bush '00 or Bush '04, I'd be a rich man.I sincerely hope none of these ever get elected. If so, I'm going to flee to Canada for political refuge. If, in an alternate universe, we had Democrats the likes of Kennedy and the blue dogs running 2016, this list would be cut in half. There would be some hope of sound fiscal policy, sane management of agencies, conduct of foreign policy, speech-making. Abandon all hope, ye that wish for any of that in a serious field of 2016 Democrat presidential candidates. On February 04 2014 22:12 KwarK wrote: It might be different news surroundings across the pond, but both sides do this ad nauseum. Obama blamed polar vortex on it, NBC et al is quick to pin wildfires on it, Gore ... well we know Gore. He ran in '00, right? One state short of a victory?If someone is literally too stupid to understand the difference between climate and weather then how on earth do you expect them to run the United States? I'd rather someone that doesn't confuse job-killers as good for jobs, pork for investment, and sinking for progress. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On February 04 2014 22:00 Danglars wrote: Save me from the global-warming-denier nonsense. We heard every heatwave, hurricane, and freak weather accident attributed to that boogeyman for years. We get a cold spell and all of a sudden the shivering pack screams from their caves, "It's Climate Change, you neanderthals." Can't have it both ways. Dare I say America is right when it polls climate change at the bottom of future worries for the US alongside things like race relations and inequality? With the economy, debt, employment and others ranking in the top? I'll put everybody on that list alongside Obama and see them profit by comparison. Are you still hearing Hope and Change and Yes, We Can when you think of Obama? The first thought of my mind is something along the lines of, "My government did a terrible job of this, and I'm responsible, and I couldn't be madder which means you know it'll get fixed, and I had no idea the problem was that bad, and no staffer told me that was the case." Trump is convinced because it's cold in his neighborhood for two weeks that means climate change is a hoax. It's called climate change, not weather change. If he can't figure that out himself, what does that say about the man? And sorry, but who is this 'radical transformer' you are talking about? What exactly has Obama 'radically transformed'? In six years the healthcare reform is basically the only real thing that has changed and there's nothing 'radical' about it. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 04 2014 15:08 Sub40APM wrote: Danglers, xDaunt, team America, who do you guys have in '16? One of the hispanic governors ya'll have down in the south west? With Christie self-immolating, probably Scott Walker, but I'm not married to anyone yet. | ||
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xDaunt
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Nyxisto
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
everyone should be happy with this ticket | ||
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KwarK
United States42775 Posts
On February 04 2014 23:27 Nyxisto wrote: And because Al Gore uses the same stupid flawed reasoning that makes Trump less of an idiot or climate change less real? It does on the playground when you're 6. Stands to reason that it would in politics too. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On February 04 2014 21:54 WhiteDog wrote: The fact that GDP is a bad evaluation of well being is well known, and it shouldn't even be up to discussion. Just look up the stiglitz commission if you don't know about it, it's a pretty good reflection on the subject, with plenty nobel prize winning economists. PS: you don't need to overreact each time someone says something that you don't agree with. GDP shouldn't have ever been used as an evaluation of "well being." It's a damn good measure of the potential of a lot things, "well being" included. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8540 Posts
On February 04 2014 21:06 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: I sincerely hope none of these ever get elected. If so, I'm going to flee to Canada for political refuge. you don't have to. if mentioned people are going to run it's another 4 years for a democratic presidency. And is it just me, or has the bar been lowered quite a bit on who some Republicans are going to vote for no matter what... I mean xDaunt at least named some sensible candidates. But Trump on a VP ticket? lol | ||
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Mercy13
United States718 Posts
On February 04 2014 15:33 Danglars wrote: Well, Seb40EPM, everybody who ran or said they were considering running in 2012 minus Mitt Romney (unless he changes his mind) and Cain. It's not the conservative party, it's the Republican party, my preferred candidates are the most conservative I hold any hope for. Against a Biden or Clinton, I'd support a Cruz, Paul (Rand), Trump, Ryan, Gingrich. Longest of the long shots Bolton, Ben Carson, Huntsman, DeMint. If they decided to run, Cuccinelli, Issa, Jindal, Palin (Flame On!), Rubio, Walker, West, Bachmann. I couldn't get behind a Christie, or a Huckabee, or many of the rest of possibilities I didn't mention. As good as Bush was on terrorism, he was a big government type that grew it and paved the way for some of Obama's excesses; I don't want another Bush. Christie's opposition to Obamacare was hardly present and that issue remains big in my mind. Of course if Coolidge and Reagan are any indication, we should be due another conservative guy I REALLY like in 2030. I hope I'm not voting for "the other guy" sometime before then. You would truly support Huntsman? He always seemed pretty moderate to me. He talks a lot about simplifying the tax code, supports same-sex marriage, supports restrictions on greenhouse gasses, he supported the DREAM act, and comprehensive immigration reform. I quite like him actually, it's a shame he was so lackluster as a candidate. | ||
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BallinWitStalin
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On February 04 2014 23:37 aksfjh wrote: GDP shouldn't have ever been used as an evaluation of "well being." It's a damn good measure of the potential of a lot things, "well being" included. Actually, I am pretty sure I remember that specifically not being the case after GDP reaches greater than $10,000, at least if happiness is an accepted proxy for "well-being". You might disagree, but it seems like a reasonable proxy to me for such an ill-defined concept. Anyhow, I remember in a book critiquing no-logo by Naomi Klien, the authors "claimed", anyways, that GDP correlates very well with happiness below 10,000 USD, but after that the relationship largely disappears. I think. Can't quite recall the book's name for verification..... Ah, found it, the Rebel Sell. It's been awhile, and I really don't feel like digging up studies to back this claim, but I would be extremely skeptical that GDP is associated with a general sense of "well-being" above certain critical levels. I would guesstimate that well-being or happiness in Canada, even though our GDP is lower, is probably overall higher than in the US. I would further guess that Scandinavian countries kick the shit out of both of us in that regard. Edit: after reading your post again, I'm assuming that you missed a NOT after "well-being". My bad | ||
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zusch
United States73 Posts
The fall of the Roman empire can be credited to debasing the currency. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybowyer/2012/04/26/glenn-beck-national-decline-and-the-story-of-the-roman-empire/ And the currency markets followed the same pattern. Empire, bread and circuses, all cost a lot of money, and were partially funded by currency debasement. However, the Roman Denarius did not collapse in value overnight. The long journey from a denarius composed of 6.8 grams of silver struck in 269 BC, through the first debasement down to 4.5 grams half a century later, then under Caeser Augustus down to 3.9, under the loathsome Nero 3.4 grams, under a long series of debasing emperors down to 3 grams and finally in the mid-2nd century AD phased out of existence and replaced by other currencies, all told took about half a millennium. This is a remarkable feat considering the way that Rome, and by extension her currency, was hated by the world she had enslaved. The famous passage in the synoptic Gospels in which the religious leaders ask Jesus whether they should pay taxes to Caesar turns partly on Rome’s status and as issuer of the known world’s reserve currency. Sounds similar to the U.S. $ no? The debasement of the U.S. dollar has been happening for a long time and its global reserve currency status has been challenged by China. http://www.forbes.com/sites/billconerly/2013/10/25/future-of-the-dollar-as-world-reserve-currency/ One also has to question if there is ANY gold backing the U.S. anymore (no one actually knows for sure). Germany's Bundesbank has only repatriated 37 tons of the 700 tons it has requested by the end of 2020. Did the U.S. sell Germany's gold and this is the cause for the decline in gold prices the past 12 months? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-24/year-later-bundesbank-has-repatriated-only-37-tons-gold-700-total Maybe current monetary policy can keep going how their going through your lifetime, but eventually, these problems will need to be addressed. | ||
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KwarK
United States42775 Posts
Gold as a reserve currency is just fucking retarded anyway. As an economy expands you need more currency to have shit working. Investors want to get interest, people want their assets to retain value, population grows, the amount of currency in existence must grow with the economy. This causes huge issues in a gold standard economy because it means you have to subdivide gold which means those who hoarded gold rather than invested it have seen a greater return because currency itself is becoming a scarce commodity. The economic boom of the 18th and 19th centuries would not have been possible on the gold standard without the emergence of huge new gold sources which flooded the economies with a shiny metal to make the new currency representing the economic growth out of. The metal itself has very little value, the industrial value of gold is far, far, far below the current market value of gold for example. It's not even especially rare, there is far more of it stocked up than is ever reasonably likely to be used. It's an ongoing greater fool fallacy, people value it because they expect to find someone who values it even more to pass it onto and not actually be holding it when someone finally goes "wait, why are we stockpiling this gold stuff again?". The idea that you think paper money is questionable but gold is precious is pretty laughable. If you couldn't trade either they're both pretty worthless, they're both just physical representations of value that are no stronger than the trading partner's faith that they will keep their value. The emperor has no clothes. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
A friend of mine was taking a class by Milton Friedman at the U of Chicago, and after a late night studying fell asleep in class. This sent Friedman into a little tizzy and he came over and pounded on the table, demanding an answer to a question he had just posed to the class, my friend, shaken but now awake said " I'm sorry Professor, I missed the question but the answer is increase the money supply." | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On February 05 2014 01:43 corumjhaelen wrote: That money obsession reminds me about that Milton Friedman joke Thankfully the monetarists have lost alot of influence the last decades, and especially since the subprime crisis. | ||
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