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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 29 2014 03:07 GMT
#16501
Independent Palestinian State, oh geez.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 29 2014 03:07 GMT
#16502
Why are we still supporting Israel? it's like they got a death grip on America's balls.
liftlift > tsm
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 29 2014 03:09 GMT
#16503
On January 29 2014 12:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Why are we still supporting Israel? it's like they got a death grip on America's balls.


religious zeal. An emotion which unfortunately the US hasn't grown out of.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 03:13:01
January 29 2014 03:11 GMT
#16504
Nice! obama vetoeing congress' attempt to Nixon the Iranian disarmament (or anti-armament)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 29 2014 03:12 GMT
#16505
Yes Europe is an ally, but they can pay for their own defense.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
January 29 2014 03:14 GMT
#16506
On January 29 2014 12:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yes Europe is an ally, but they can pay for their own defense.

Nope. They're broke
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 29 2014 03:14 GMT
#16507
His talking points on Shelby County v. Holder re. Voting Rights Act are so off base. It's like he wants to be a new MLK this time extending more federal reach onto states and counties.

If this guy spent half the time he talks about citizenship on enforcing existing immigration law, we could already move on to the status of millions of illegal immigrants.

Already had to restrain the gagging on the tired populist line, "X is a right, not a privilege."

Venn diagrams to try to color over weak foreign policy. Let's look at red green and blue overlapping circles instead of analyzing how weak our opposition to Iranian nuclear weapon is. Compare Iran or the USSR? Please!

That's as much as I can hack for now for this left-wing ideologue. I'll end on that fun note where our government engages in acts of benevolence using the money of their constituents in sub-Saharan Africa.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
January 29 2014 03:16 GMT
#16508
On January 29 2014 12:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Why are we still supporting Israel? it's like they got a death grip on America's balls.

Important voter demographic in an important states, lots of money that can be raised in elections and a massive of mouth breathing, republican voters who believe the bible is a literal book and that jesus christ will come back to earth as soon as all jews move to israel.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 03:20:24
January 29 2014 03:17 GMT
#16509
he compared iran to ussr saying iran is weaker than the ussr, yet kennedy/reagan used negotiation instead of war to defeat them. left-wing ideologue, lol. WOO MILITARY, WOO CORE, WOO MORE MILITARY, WOO ISRAEL IS SO AMAZING

danglars just sees the (D) next to his name and goes full mccarthy
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 29 2014 03:17 GMT
#16510
Tenth deployment. Think about that for a few seconds.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 29 2014 03:21 GMT
#16511
Well that was a dull and vacuous affair.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5029 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 03:22:56
January 29 2014 03:22 GMT
#16512
Thank goodness that's over. He didn't actually say anything (well, besides "I'll act on my own!"). This is one of those times I hope he doesn't mean what he says... At least he hit every talking point.

But this push for more executive action really is the scary part.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
January 29 2014 03:24 GMT
#16513
On January 29 2014 12:22 Introvert wrote:
Thank goodness that's over. He didn't actually say anything (well, besides "I'll act on my own!"). This is one of those times I hope he doesn't mean what he says... At least he hit every talking point.

But this push for more executive action really is the scary part.


like what, trying to save negotiations from congress' sabotage?

obama's always doing flowery language and then backing down to his conservative side
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 29 2014 03:26 GMT
#16514
On January 29 2014 12:22 Introvert wrote:
Thank goodness that's over. He didn't actually say anything (well, besides "I'll act on my own!"). This is one of those times I hope he doesn't mean what he says... At least he hit every talking point.

But this push for more executive action really is the scary part.


You make it sound like Obama is rewriting the rules. He's not rewriting the constitution or something. He is doing things that he can do. He's not making up laws or something.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 29 2014 03:30 GMT
#16515
It's not like there's a need for a state of the union address anyways, so he doesn't have to say anything. When the constitution was made, the legislature wasn't in session full-time, and news and information travel was much less; so having a periodic report about what's happening is useful to have; these days, there really isn't any information that isn't already well known to congress (and the public at large).
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5029 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 03:32:46
January 29 2014 03:31 GMT
#16516
On January 29 2014 12:24 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 12:22 Introvert wrote:
Thank goodness that's over. He didn't actually say anything (well, besides "I'll act on my own!"). This is one of those times I hope he doesn't mean what he says... At least he hit every talking point.

But this push for more executive action really is the scary part.


like what, trying to save negotiations from congress' sabotage?

obama's always doing flowery language and then backing down to his conservative side


I like how you refer to the House, in theory the closest branch to the people, as "sabotaging."

When he was re-elected, so was the House. When he was re-elected, the Constitution was not also up for election. That doesn't GO up for election. So yes, when he acts outside the bounds of the law for expediency, it concerns me. How can you trust ANY politician with that kind of power?

He's still far left. Just because he doesn't act to the astounding extent you apparently want him to doesn't mean he's not far left.

You make it sound like Obama is rewriting the rules. He's not rewriting the constitution or something. He is doing things that he can do. He's not making up laws or something.


We've had this discussion here before. Yes, he IS rewriting the rules. He's even threatening to just make up new ones. Does this not concern you?
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 29 2014 03:32 GMT
#16517
Republican response.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 29 2014 03:32 GMT
#16518
On January 29 2014 12:31 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 12:24 Roe wrote:
On January 29 2014 12:22 Introvert wrote:
Thank goodness that's over. He didn't actually say anything (well, besides "I'll act on my own!"). This is one of those times I hope he doesn't mean what he says... At least he hit every talking point.

But this push for more executive action really is the scary part.


like what, trying to save negotiations from congress' sabotage?

obama's always doing flowery language and then backing down to his conservative side


I like how you refer to the House, in theory the closest branch to the people, as "sabotaging."

When he was re-elected, so was the House. When he was re-elected, the Constitution was not also up for election. That doesn't GO up for election. So yes, when he acts outside the bounds of the law for expediency, it concerns me. How can you trust ANY politician with that kind of power?

He's still far left. Just because he doesn't act to the astounding extent you apparently want him to doesn't mean he's not far left.


What laws is Obama breaking?
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 03:35:24
January 29 2014 03:34 GMT
#16519
On January 29 2014 12:31 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 12:24 Roe wrote:
On January 29 2014 12:22 Introvert wrote:
Thank goodness that's over. He didn't actually say anything (well, besides "I'll act on my own!"). This is one of those times I hope he doesn't mean what he says... At least he hit every talking point.

But this push for more executive action really is the scary part.


like what, trying to save negotiations from congress' sabotage?

obama's always doing flowery language and then backing down to his conservative side


I like how you refer to the House, in theory the closest branch to the people, as "sabotaging."

When he was re-elected, so was the House. When he was re-elected, the Constitution was not also up for election. That doesn't GO up for election. So yes, when he acts outside the bounds of the law for expediency, it concerns me. How can you trust ANY politician with that kind of power?

He's still far left. Just because he doesn't act to the astounding extent you apparently want him to doesn't mean he's not far left.

if obama is far left, i have no clue what a real leftist like ...let's say noam chomsky, trostky, red rosa would be. i mean really you just listened to a conservative speech where obama panders to the military, israel, the status quo, trying to pretend everything is great by appealing to the typical american dream fanfare.

you really think congress pulling a Nixon on the Iranian deal isn't more dangerous than Obama vetoing it that sabotage?

On January 29 2014 12:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 12:31 Introvert wrote:
On January 29 2014 12:24 Roe wrote:
On January 29 2014 12:22 Introvert wrote:
Thank goodness that's over. He didn't actually say anything (well, besides "I'll act on my own!"). This is one of those times I hope he doesn't mean what he says... At least he hit every talking point.

But this push for more executive action really is the scary part.


like what, trying to save negotiations from congress' sabotage?

obama's always doing flowery language and then backing down to his conservative side


I like how you refer to the House, in theory the closest branch to the people, as "sabotaging."

When he was re-elected, so was the House. When he was re-elected, the Constitution was not also up for election. That doesn't GO up for election. So yes, when he acts outside the bounds of the law for expediency, it concerns me. How can you trust ANY politician with that kind of power?

He's still far left. Just because he doesn't act to the astounding extent you apparently want him to doesn't mean he's not far left.


What laws is Obama breaking?


obama care and min wage are against the constitution to right-wing ideologues
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 29 2014 03:34 GMT
#16520
If the shoe fits....
yes, congress is threatening to sabotage the deal with Iran;
and that congress isn't representing america is abundantly clear.
If congress would shape up, then Obama wouldn't have to try to do stuff himself.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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