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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
January 28 2014 23:03 GMT
#16461
On January 29 2014 06:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The state of our union is....well, it depends on who you happen to listen to.

President Barack Obama will deliver his annual State of the Union address Tuesday night where he is expected to make the case for government as a force for good at a time where conservative-driven focus on deficits has paralyzed Washington from taking meaningful action to create jobs and bolster the economy.

The official GOP response is set to be delivered immediately after by Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA), the fourth-ranking Republican in the House, who will appeal to women voters on behalf of a party that has often found itself marred by wild musings on abortion and rape.

Americans will also get a rebuttal from Tea Party Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), who supported a quixotic effort to shut down the government, that will follow the President as well. Or they can tune in to a pre-recorded address by Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), a possible 2016 contender, which will air on YouTube after Obama finishes speaking.

Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL) announced Monday she will deliver her own State of the Union response in Spanish that will be televised by CNN, Telemundo Univision and other channels.


Source


I'm interested in seeing the mental gymnastics performed by Rodgers in trying to convince the country that the majority of republicans don't agree with its conservative base.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 28 2014 23:05 GMT
#16462
One of the companies involved in a billion-dollar development in Fort Lee, N.J. secured state pension funds as part of the financing of the project, PolitickerNJ reported on Tuesday.

Documents obtained by the PolitickerNJ show that the State of New Jersey Common Pension Fund E holds a majority 55 percent ownership interest in the Tucker Development and Acquisition Fund, L.P. The rest of the entity is divvied up between Metropolitan Life Insurance Company (a 27.5 percent ownership interest), Prudential Insurance Companies of America (a 16.5 percent ownership interest), and Tucker Managers, LLC (a one percent ownership interest.) The document was officially recorded by the Bergen County, N.J. county clerk on May 16, 2012.

The Tucker Development Corporation is one of the companies behind the Hudson Lights project, which is being built on the western eight-acre portion of a 16-acre redevelopment area in Fort Lee, located beside the entrance to the George Washington Bridge. The proximity of the project to the bridge has led to speculation that the bridge lane closures that occurred in September -- and that this month have exploded into a political scandal for Gov. Chris Christie (R) -- were somehow connected to the project. But no link has yet been publicly demonstrated.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 00:30:35
January 29 2014 00:12 GMT
#16463
On January 29 2014 00:47 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 16:37 nunez wrote:
yes, or lower, or at two places or not existing etc. but that was not really what was argued in the paper, yes, the 'case study' or what have you in the paper is clearly non-linear and so is the rest of the world.

but a flimsy 'mathematical framework' do not to justify, establish, or give weigth to preconceived notions on what relations are causing these dynamics, not to mention if you fail at establishing one...

it's nonsense, it's nonsense done wrong even.

you are handed a non linear function, you define a linearization wherein the linear dynamic is caused by preconcieved notions, you claim your linearization is non-linear (no, it's linear by your own definition) and from that it supposedly follows that the non-linear function is non-linear (yes, good) and that the non-linear dynamics are caused by said preconceived notions.

it is akin to failing at taking the derivative of x squared in an attempt to show that x is 'some beans'.

She goes through examples of both linear and non-linear jobs and explains the differences between them. Where in there is your criticism, exactly? What preconceived notions do you have a problem with?


the foundation (the framework) for this preconceived notion that "... that nonliear pay with respect to hours worked is responsible for the majority of the resuidual differences observed in earnings by gender" amounts to:
1) a restatement of said notion
2) contradicting said notion (the model is linear)

you can swap out "with respect to hours worked", "with respect to gender discrimination" or "with respect to beans consumed" or whatever else... it is the method that is flawed. she has wrapped her beliefs in something she doesn't understand and you are misconstruing her ignorance as a convincing case.

the paper or essay is largely unchanged if you strip away this particular idiocy, you will still find it agreeable...
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 29 2014 00:23 GMT
#16464
Ho ho holy shit:

TRENTON — Gov. Chris Christie helped channel $6 million in federal Hurricane Sandy recovery dollars to a project conceived years before the storm struck, in an Essex County town that was not particularly hard hit, records show.

The funding, pushed for personally by the Republican governor, was announced less than two weeks before the town’s Democratic mayor formally endorsed him for reelection.

The development is an $18 million senior center and housing complex in Belleville called Franklin Manor. One third of the cost — $6 million — is being paid for by a $1.8 billion pot of federally funded Community Development Block Grants to help the state recover from Sandy.

Christie administration officials say the project will help those displaced from the storm from other towns, and was approved partly because it was already planned and would quickly fill that need. But statements from the governor and officials from Essex County and Belleville at the project’s unveiling barely mentioned storm recovery, focusing almost exclusively on how the 137-unit housing project would help keep Belleville’s seniors in town.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
January 29 2014 01:09 GMT
#16465
On January 29 2014 09:12 nunez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 00:47 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On January 28 2014 16:37 nunez wrote:
yes, or lower, or at two places or not existing etc. but that was not really what was argued in the paper, yes, the 'case study' or what have you in the paper is clearly non-linear and so is the rest of the world.

but a flimsy 'mathematical framework' do not to justify, establish, or give weigth to preconceived notions on what relations are causing these dynamics, not to mention if you fail at establishing one...

it's nonsense, it's nonsense done wrong even.

you are handed a non linear function, you define a linearization wherein the linear dynamic is caused by preconcieved notions, you claim your linearization is non-linear (no, it's linear by your own definition) and from that it supposedly follows that the non-linear function is non-linear (yes, good) and that the non-linear dynamics are caused by said preconceived notions.

it is akin to failing at taking the derivative of x squared in an attempt to show that x is 'some beans'.

She goes through examples of both linear and non-linear jobs and explains the differences between them. Where in there is your criticism, exactly? What preconceived notions do you have a problem with?


the foundation (the framework) for this preconceived notion that "... that nonliear pay with respect to hours worked is responsible for the majority of the resuidual differences observed in earnings by gender" amounts to:
1) a restatement of said notion
2) contradicting said notion (the model is linear)

you can swap out "with respect to hours worked", "with respect to gender discrimination" or "with respect to beans consumed" or whatever else... it is the method that is flawed. she has wrapped her beliefs in something she doesn't understand and you are misconstruing her ignorance as a convincing case.

the paper or essay is largely unchanged if you strip away this particular idiocy, you will still find it agreeable...

What is "this preconceived notion"? There's an observation - that some pay is linear and some is non-linear. That's not a modeled result, or theory - it's an observed fact. When that observed fact is utilized, the residual differences decline.

The paper goes on to describe what makes a job linear vs non-linear and what trends exist.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 29 2014 01:36 GMT
#16466
President is leaving the White House.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4773 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 01:56:20
January 29 2014 01:54 GMT
#16467
On January 29 2014 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Ho ho holy shit:

Show nested quote +
TRENTON — Gov. Chris Christie helped channel $6 million in federal Hurricane Sandy recovery dollars to a project conceived years before the storm struck, in an Essex County town that was not particularly hard hit, records show.

The funding, pushed for personally by the Republican governor, was announced less than two weeks before the town’s Democratic mayor formally endorsed him for reelection.

The development is an $18 million senior center and housing complex in Belleville called Franklin Manor. One third of the cost — $6 million — is being paid for by a $1.8 billion pot of federally funded Community Development Block Grants to help the state recover from Sandy.

Christie administration officials say the project will help those displaced from the storm from other towns, and was approved partly because it was already planned and would quickly fill that need. But statements from the governor and officials from Essex County and Belleville at the project’s unveiling barely mentioned storm recovery, focusing almost exclusively on how the 137-unit housing project would help keep Belleville’s seniors in town.


Source



An amazingly large amount of the Sandy relief fund (that we HAD to pass! There are people in need!) was pork spending. But since everyone is looking for stuff on Christie, now this comes out.

Really the democrats should have no leg to stand on, since they were the ones demanding the bill be passed in such short order with so much extraneous spending.

That obviously doesn't excuse any potential wrongdoing by Christie.

President is leaving the White House.


hm, I can't decide if I will watch the State of Confusion address. I might just read the transcript so I don't have to hear the endless clapping.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 29 2014 02:00 GMT
#16468
Also Sean Hannity is apparently running for office.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 29 2014 02:10 GMT
#16469
Here we go.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 29 2014 02:19 GMT
#16470
I love it when Obama takes credit for the boom in domestic oil production.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 02:23:47
January 29 2014 02:20 GMT
#16471
Drinking game:
every time Obama says something only Democrats clap, drink
every time Obama says something about how great America is, drink
every time Obama talks about bipartisanship, drink
every time Obama makes a joke, drink
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4773 Posts
January 29 2014 02:21 GMT
#16472
On January 29 2014 11:19 xDaunt wrote:
I love it when Obama takes credit for the boom in domestic oil production.


The best part will be the "fact checkers." His entire opening will be rated "True" despite the fact that things (like the oil production bit) manage to get better DESPITE his efforts, not because of them.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 29 2014 02:23 GMT
#16473
Does John Boehner always look so miserable?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4773 Posts
January 29 2014 02:23 GMT
#16474
On January 29 2014 11:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
Drinking game:
every time Obama says something only Democrats clap, drink
every time Obama says something about how great America is, drink
every time Obama talks about bipartisanship, drink



And anything based on class warfare, gender discrimination, in/equality, the planet, paying your "fair share", etc.

"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
January 29 2014 02:23 GMT
#16475
On January 29 2014 10:09 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 09:12 nunez wrote:
On January 29 2014 00:47 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On January 28 2014 16:37 nunez wrote:
yes, or lower, or at two places or not existing etc. but that was not really what was argued in the paper, yes, the 'case study' or what have you in the paper is clearly non-linear and so is the rest of the world.

but a flimsy 'mathematical framework' do not to justify, establish, or give weigth to preconceived notions on what relations are causing these dynamics, not to mention if you fail at establishing one...

it's nonsense, it's nonsense done wrong even.

you are handed a non linear function, you define a linearization wherein the linear dynamic is caused by preconcieved notions, you claim your linearization is non-linear (no, it's linear by your own definition) and from that it supposedly follows that the non-linear function is non-linear (yes, good) and that the non-linear dynamics are caused by said preconceived notions.

it is akin to failing at taking the derivative of x squared in an attempt to show that x is 'some beans'.

She goes through examples of both linear and non-linear jobs and explains the differences between them. Where in there is your criticism, exactly? What preconceived notions do you have a problem with?


the foundation (the framework) for this preconceived notion that "... that nonliear pay with respect to hours worked is responsible for the majority of the resuidual differences observed in earnings by gender" amounts to:
1) a restatement of said notion
2) contradicting said notion (the model is linear)

you can swap out "with respect to hours worked", "with respect to gender discrimination" or "with respect to beans consumed" or whatever else... it is the method that is flawed. she has wrapped her beliefs in something she doesn't understand and you are misconstruing her ignorance as a convincing case.

the paper or essay is largely unchanged if you strip away this particular idiocy, you will still find it agreeable...

What is "this preconceived notion"? There's an observation - that some pay is linear and some is non-linear. That's not a modeled result, or theory - it's an observed fact. When that observed fact is utilized, the residual differences decline.

The paper goes on to describe what makes a job linear vs non-linear and what trends exist.


i am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a post.

linearity is abstract. nothing real is linear, 'misguided belief' not 'observed fact'.

even a simple resistor's behaviour is only close enough (real) to that of a linear function (abstract) under certain conditions (not to mention the axioms needed to develop the mathematics needed for the linear function itself). where's the humility?

re-read my previous post dilligently and i wont have to repeat myself to answer your question.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 29 2014 02:27 GMT
#16476
So wait. Is Obama actually ready to spearhead real tax reform? That would be a miracle.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 29 2014 02:28 GMT
#16477
"I will do it on my own"

Shots fired.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 29 2014 02:33 GMT
#16478
Actions speak louder than words Mr. president. Do something about ending subsidies to coal etc.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
January 29 2014 02:34 GMT
#16479
It's funny watching Boenher trying to decide if he should clap at various things.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
January 29 2014 02:39 GMT
#16480
Now to wait for people to say "Climate change, eh, Obama? Well it was cold not too long ago. Checkmate." x_x
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