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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On January 29 2014 12:56 Introvert wrote: I mean American left. Which basically is everyone else's right. I just saw the Cruz follow up. I'll admit Obama may not really live up to what he promised at the beginning of his presidency, but how is the GOP getting a non - zero percentage of votes. All these people are saying is : "more deregulation, and you better look out for yourself!" If they hate the government so much, why are they even politicians. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On January 29 2014 12:56 Introvert wrote: So then why not just abolish all other branches of the government? I KNOW the mandate is the law, but I'm saying it's in violation of the Constitution. Jefferson's fear of the Courts was well placed, I'm afraid. I mean American left. you mean the boogy man? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 29 2014 12:17 Roe wrote: Maybe your intellectual filter lets tons of his vapid nonsense through. I have no similar nodding head syndrome.he compared iran to ussr saying iran is weaker than the ussr, yet kennedy/reagan used negotiation instead of war to defeat them. left-wing ideologue, lol. WOO MILITARY, WOO CORE, WOO MORE MILITARY, WOO ISRAEL IS SO AMAZING danglars just sees the (D) next to his name and goes full mccarthy A full 8 more years of Clinton, had that been an option, would've been preferable to the Obama presidency. He talks and talks. Is anyone listening anymore? | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On January 29 2014 13:01 Danglars wrote: Maybe your intellectual filter lets tons of his vapid nonsense through. I have no similar nodding head syndrome. A full 8 more years of Clinton, had that been an option, would've been preferable to the Obama presidency. He talks and talks. Is anyone listening anymore? did you not read my post? still just making up crap like Rand Paul? keep running scared from the points and stuff that scare crow. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 29 2014 13:03 Roe wrote: You're the man of throwaway lines, and I did read your post. You assert I have trouble with his (D), and in fact, I responded that I have several other (D) presidents that were nowhere near as bad. You throw around mccarthy like you have an idea of what that even means, though you don't.did you not read my post? still just making up crap like Rand Paul? keep running scared from the points and stuff that scare crow. Maybe if you distilled the trolling down to coherent thought, you can make some points? Preferably, show some restraint on the all caps and talk in complete sentences. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On January 29 2014 13:09 Danglars wrote: You're the man of throwaway lines, and I did read your post. You assert I have trouble with his (D), and in fact, I responded that I have several other (D) presidents that were nowhere near as bad. You throw around mccarthy like you have an idea of what that even means, though you don't. Maybe if you distilled the trolling down to coherent thought, you can make some points? Preferably, show some restraint on the all caps and talk in complete sentences. Did you understand the point about comparing Iran to the USSR? Why would you laugh at that when it's clearly valid given what he said the next sentence. The man of throw away lines? Why do you keep attacking my character instead of trying to keep to the arguments? Is it because of obama and his Maoist state of the union? | ||
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Introvert
United States5093 Posts
On January 29 2014 13:06 zlefin wrote: I don't think your definition of "left" is remotely accurate introvert; in fact, im' certain of it. Yours simply does not conform to reality of the definitions. Don't conflate undemocratic actions with Leftist beliefs, as they do not conform to the Left anymore than they do to the Right or the middle. you mean the boogy man? So far I've only used "left" in a general sense... how can my "definition" be wrong when I haven't given one? If you are referring to Again, just because he doesn't declare himself dictator and rob money out of the wealthy's bank account doesn't make him a moderate. then I congratulate you on taking that statement as an exact representation of what I think the left is. That statement is merely where I think Progressive ideology leads, except they will use the law to make it legal theft, if you will. But I doubt most liberals have actually thought far enough through that. They think that you can start with a powerful government and then stop it at some arbitrary point. They're just naive, not totalitarian. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 29 2014 13:14 Roe wrote: The regimes are more dissimilar than similar. The communist party lines and negotiating tactics are very different than the way the Islamic fundamentalists approach the matter. Last time Obama came away claiming a great negotiation victory, we heard from both American analysts and Iranian sources that it stopped nothing. Enrichment continues at a slower pace, and Iran is still on track for a nuclear weapon. The comparison he made assumes he has conducted / his state department has conducted skillful negotiations like previous ones made with the USSR, but they have made no such progress.Did you understand the point about comparing Iran to the USSR? Why would you laugh at that when it's clearly valid given what he said the next sentence. The man of throw away lines? Why do you keep attacking my character instead of trying to keep to the arguments? Is it because of obama and his Maoist state of the union? I don't know about you, when you're trolling and when you're not. You retract the line alleging I just have issues with anybody holding a (D)? You stand by alleging I'm traveling down the path of mccarthy? Get your eyes checked if you think anywhere I insinuated a Maoist state of mind to our president. Maybe if you revealed less of your character in personal attacks you could have a point to saying all this is unwarranted. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On January 29 2014 13:16 Introvert wrote: So far I've only used "left" in a general sense... how can my "definition" be wrong when I haven't given one? If you are referring to then I congratulate you on taking that statement as an exact representation of what I think the left is. That statement is merely where I think Progressive ideology leads, except they will use the law to make it legal theft, if you will. But I doubt most liberals have actually thought far enough through that. They think that you can start with a powerful government and then stop it at some arbitrary point. They're just naive, not totalitarian. Actually you quite clearly illustrated what you think of the left: When the president threatens to act unilaterally, that's pretty far left. Again, how is this a leftist notion? The left-wing is republican and pro-separation of powers. Again, just because he doesn't declare himself dictator and rob money out of the wealthy's bank account doesn't make him a moderate. He has pushed through as far left things as he can get. And he's still a lefty for talking about and actively trying to achieve certain goals, even if he can't go as far as he would like. Maybe I'm not understanding this point, but are you saying a leftist would rob money out of the wealthy's bank accounts? What exactly are you insinuating? And can you name anything he's pushed through that is far left? By far left I'm guessing you mean Maoist/Stalinist? (The reason I say that is because I don't think there's anything farther than far left). Next you define a left as someone who talks about and actively tries to achieve certain goals. Well...isn't this merely any politician, or activist? So again, I don't think you know what a leftist is | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Ted Cruz has the right idea here. | ||
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Introvert
United States5093 Posts
On January 29 2014 13:33 Roe wrote: Actually you quite clearly illustrated what you think of the left: Again, how is this a leftist notion? The left-wing is republican and pro-separation of powers. Maybe I'm not understanding this point, but are you saying a leftist would rob money out of the wealthy's bank accounts? What exactly are you insinuating? And can you name anything he's pushed through that is far left? By far left I'm guessing you mean Maoist/Stalinist? (The reason I say that is because I don't think there's anything farther than far left). Next you define a left as someone who talks about and actively tries to achieve certain goals. Well...isn't this merely any politician, or activist? So again, I don't think you know what a leftist is Given what I read (both elsewhere and here) it's a safe bet to say that the left values a powerful executive who can step over Congress if they are being "obstructionist." I certainly haven't seen any of you here attacking the president's executive actions. Quite the contrary. Taking the money of the wealthy because they have to much of it (or whatever reason you want to use) is justifying theft. When the government takes more than it needs for its legitimate function, then it's theft. Couple this with the idea that government should always be active (and thus always growing).... This thread is full of examples of Obama's lefti-ness. But I doubt you would consider any of that far left. I didn't say he was a stalinist. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On January 29 2014 14:14 Danglars wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR1kGxBON8k Ted Cruz has the right idea here. that music is so rockin | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On January 29 2014 14:14 Danglars wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR1kGxBON8k Ted Cruz has the right idea here. According to..? Ted Cruz? Danglars? heh | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On January 29 2014 14:14 Danglars wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR1kGxBON8k Ted Cruz has the right idea here. There are no ideas in that video, just right-wing frothing at the mouth and typical fear-mongering. You complain about my throwaway posts that lack articulation, that video was the exemplar of that. On January 29 2014 14:16 Introvert wrote: Given what I read (both elsewhere and here) it's a safe bet to say that the left values a powerful executive who can step over Congress if they are being "obstructionist." I certainly haven't seen any of you here attacking the president's executive actions. Quite the contrary. Taking the money of the wealthy because they have to much of it (or whatever reason you want to use) is justifying theft. When the government takes more than it needs for its legitimate function, then it's theft. Couple this with the idea that government should always be active (and thus always growing).... This thread is full of examples of Obama's lefti-ness. But I doubt you would consider any of that far left. I didn't say he was a stalinist. Absence of evidence that I'm critical of him isn't evidence that I'm a leftist. And yes, I've agreed that a veto against congress trying to fudge the Iran negotiations is a good idea. Second paragraph: I have no idea what your conclusion is or how that ties into what I said. Again, are you saying that's a leftist position? Whatever you're trying to conclude about left positions on taxes, taxes aren't theft. If the thread really is full of examples of Obama being a leftist, prove it since it should be easy. But you can't, because he's for the most part a conservative. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
no, not at all. i overestimated you, my apologies. i thought pretending to lose your reading comprehension was some sort of defense mechanism of yours. i'll break it down to ABC for you, see if that gets us anywhere. the piece de resistance of the paper is the claim that: that nonliear pay with respect to hours worked is responsible for the majority of the resuidual differences observed in earnings by gender. i'll split the method used in the paper to give weight to this with the mathematical framework into three:
B: a dichtonomy beteen 'linear' and 'non-linear' wage wrt what percentage of full-time you are working at. C: develop a mathematical framework within B that explains the existence of the nonlinear dynamic according to A.
the world is non-linear, establishing B with any rigor is impossible, here it is implied that it exists. without it the claim is non-sensical. the mathematical model in C explains a linear dynamic (that is the opposite of A according B). | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 29 2014 14:34 Roe wrote: So dismissive! Do you watch videos or just read titles? Need me to link you a transcript?There are no ideas in that video, just right-wing frothing at the mouth and typical fear-mongering. You complain about my throwaway posts that lack articulation, that video was the exemplar of that. | ||
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Introvert
United States5093 Posts
On January 29 2014 14:34 Roe wrote: There are no ideas in that video, just right-wing frothing at the mouth and typical fear-mongering. You complain about my throwaway posts that lack articulation, that video was the exemplar of that. Absence of evidence that I'm critical of him isn't evidence that I'm a leftist. And yes, I've agreed that a veto against congress trying to fudge the Iran negotiations is a good idea. Second paragraph: I have no idea what your conclusion is or how that ties into what I said. Again, are you saying that's a leftist position? Whatever you're trying to conclude about left positions on taxes, taxes aren't theft. If the thread really is full of examples of Obama being a leftist, prove it since it should be easy. But you can't, because he's for the most part a conservative. First, don't critcize me for providing no evidence and then just assert things. How is he conservative? No, that alone is not evidence that you are a lefty. But your other posts do (and your absurd claim that Obama is conservative. Maybe he is for Canada?) The left's postition is that taxes are used not only to fund the government, but redistribute wealth. That is, in my opnion, theft. Let's see: Obamacare, higher taxes, more regulation, using more and more executive authority (on things like Obamacare), pushing for more gun control, tighter wall street regualtion, etc.... | ||
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