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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 21 2017 01:46 GMT
#158081
On June 21 2017 10:26 HKTPZ wrote:
out of curiosity

What do you guys think would have been the text book, as close to failproof as possible-way for that (/those) officer(s) to handle a situation like that where someone confesses to being armed - in a country as violent as USA?

Well, if he suspected them of being an armed robber as he claimed then he shouldn't have even approached the car on foot. Should have blasted on loud speaker for them to get out of the car with their hands up.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 21 2017 01:49 GMT
#158082
Exactly. If that officer believed that there was a risk of being shot, don't walk up to the car.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
June 21 2017 01:51 GMT
#158083
Looks like the most expensive House race (aka Georgia's 6th) is going to Handel. Expect some victory tweets from Trump soon.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 21 2017 01:52 GMT
#158084
On June 21 2017 10:26 HKTPZ wrote:
out of curiosity

What do you guys think would have been the text book, as close to failproof as possible-way for that (/those) officer(s) to handle a situation like that where someone confesses to being armed - in a country as violent as USA?

First we stop calling it a confession as if you're guilty of utilizing your constitutional protected right. Then on to training cops to stay in control, present clear instructions that protect both, and make the necessary statutory changes so the next one gets manslaughter.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 21 2017 01:52 GMT
#158085
On June 21 2017 10:51 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Looks like the most expensive House race (aka Georgia's 6th) is going to Handel. Expect some victory tweets from Trump soon.

Get ready for some of the strangest spin you'll ever see from both sides
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
June 21 2017 01:56 GMT
#158086
On June 21 2017 10:51 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Looks like the most expensive House race (aka Georgia's 6th) is going to Handel. Expect some victory tweets from Trump soon.


Wow, what a shocker from a R+8 district (lol).
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 21 2017 01:57 GMT
#158087
Something, something, its the DNC's fault for not supporting something, something. Maybe don't pin all your hopes on a long shot election in a 3 decade old GOP stronghold. Or just be glad you gave them a fight and get geared up for the next run.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-21 02:07:02
June 21 2017 01:59 GMT
#158088
Especially interesting given how absurdly close the SC race was in comparison to expectations (Trump won by +18, last race R won by +20...this R is winning by 3.2%). Lesson is, attention can be a double-edged sword, and nothing is as simple as people hope and think.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 21 2017 02:03 GMT
#158089
The SC race being that close is kinda weird, considering its demographics making it a very Trump favored district.
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
June 21 2017 02:09 GMT
#158090
I think the elections being close in districts like these are results that should have been good news for Dems but will end up being a disappointment because of the hype people built around long shot elections.

I personally feel a twinge of disgust whenever I see how much money is poured into political competitions.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
June 21 2017 02:10 GMT
#158091
On June 21 2017 11:03 Nevuk wrote:
The SC race being that close is kinda weird, considering its demographics making it a very Trump favored district.


One thing is for sure: Democrats will outperform Hillary Clinton’s vote share by much more in South Carolina 5 than Georgia 6. A big reason why? Georgia’s election is on track for a historic turnout in excess of 250,000 voters. Meanwhile, South Carolina’s election may have drawn fewer than 100,000 voters. Democrats are fired up everywhere, but after all the hype, Republican voters were more engaged in Georgia than South Carolina. - David Wasserman


Guess the Democrats should manage hype better? All the excitement of this being the litmus test for 2018 midterms seems to have also energized Republicans who were determined to prove the Dems wrong.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 21 2017 02:11 GMT
#158092
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 21 2017 02:11 GMT
#158093
The Democrats can pride themselves in being "closer than they should have been" in their defeat at the hands of a member of the party that Donald Trump heads.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-21 02:15:11
June 21 2017 02:12 GMT
#158094
It is so much money there is no way that it is all tracked and confirmed to be legal. Since citizens united, it has been an ever escalating amount of cash with no additional oversight.

On June 21 2017 11:10 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2017 11:03 Nevuk wrote:
The SC race being that close is kinda weird, considering its demographics making it a very Trump favored district.


Show nested quote +
One thing is for sure: Democrats will outperform Hillary Clinton’s vote share by much more in South Carolina 5 than Georgia 6. A big reason why? Georgia’s election is on track for a historic turnout in excess of 250,000 voters. Meanwhile, South Carolina’s election may have drawn fewer than 100,000 voters. Democrats are fired up everywhere, but after all the hype, Republican voters were more engaged in Georgia than South Carolina. - David Wasserman


Guess the Democrats should manage hype better? All the excitement of this being the litmus test for 2018 midterms seems to have also energized Republicans who were determined to prove the Dems wrong.


Good luck. People are not in the mood to pick good fights. They just want to fight and this was the outlet. Democrats couldn't temper expectations if they wanted to.

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
June 21 2017 02:20 GMT
#158095
On June 21 2017 07:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Uh... what? So we'd now have 6 Service branches?

Show nested quote +

WASHINGTON –– Lawmakers on Tuesday took the first step towards establishing a ‘Space Corps’ within the Air Force — similar to the way the Marine Corps functions in the Navy — by drafting legislation that would require the new organization to be set up by January 1, 2019.

As the House Armed Services Committee prepares to vote on the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), the strategic forces subcommittee — which oversees military space matters — released its proposed additions to the bill. The subcommittee has scheduled a formal legislative mark-up session for Thursday.

The subcommittee’s top Republican, Rep. Mike Rogers of Alabama, and top Democrat, Rep. Jim Cooper of Tennessee, said the subcommittee’s mark would require the Air Force to establish the Space Corps to serve “as a separate military service within the Department of the Air Force and under the civilian leadership of the Secretary of the Air Force.”

“There is bipartisan acknowledgement that the strategic advantages we derive from our national security space systems are eroding,” Rogers and Cooper said in a prepared statement. “We are convinced that the Department of Defense is unable to take the measures necessary to address these challenges effectively and decisively, or even recognize the nature and scale of its problems.”

“Thus, Congress has to step in,” the statement continues. “We must act now to fix national security space and put in place a foundation for defending space as a critical element of national security. Therefore, our Mark will require the creation, under the Secretary of the Air Force, of a new Space Corps, as a separate military service responsible for national security space programs for which the Air Force is today responsible. We view this as a first, but critical step, to fixing the National Security Space enterprise.”

The Space Corp would be led by its own chief, who would sit on the Joint Chiefs of Staff with a six-year term, the bill says. It would be a position equal to the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, and would answer to the Secretary of the Air Force.

The subcommittee’s markup of the bill would also set up a U.S. Space Command that would be a sub-unified command under U.S. Strategic Command, a move lawmakers hope would improve the integration of space operations in warfighting.

The subcommittee’s action on the NDAA is one of the early steps in a lengthy legislative process. The bill would still need to get approval from the full committee before it could be debated by the House, but the chamber isn’t expected to vote on the NDAA until after the Fourth of July holiday. The legislation would also need to pass the Senate, which is working on a defense authorization bill of its own. The House and Senate must pass identical bills before sending the legislation to the White House to be signed into law by the president.

The Senate Armed Services Committee is not scheduled to hold its full markup of the NDAA until June 28.

Current Air Force leadership opposes setting up a Space Corps. Appearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee in May, Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein said he believes the move would only cause confusion.

“I don’t support it at this time,” the general said. “Right now, to get focused on a large organizational change would actually slow us down…Whether there’s a time in our future where we want to take a look at this again, I would say that we keep that dialog open, but right now I think it would actually move us backwards.”


Source

I wonder what the age limit for joining is. I'd reenlist to be a space Marine. SC2 is coming to life!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 21 2017 02:22 GMT
#158096


Just so everyone is sure, the GOP groups DUMPED money into this race once it became close.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-21 02:27:23
June 21 2017 02:26 GMT
#158097
I wonder whether these kinds of results point to the fact that trying to energize a base with funds can be toxic in a climate as acrimonious as this where you probably start energizing the opponents as well, especially once the counter spend-a-thon kicks into high gear.

There certainly seemed to be an enthusiasm gap in SC favoring Dems, though not enough to win.

Disclaimer: drawing that kind of conclusion from two (three if you count Kansas) data points may be hazardous to your health
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 21 2017 02:37 GMT
#158098
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
June 21 2017 02:53 GMT
#158099
On June 21 2017 11:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2017 07:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Uh... what? So we'd now have 6 Service branches?


WASHINGTON –– Lawmakers on Tuesday took the first step towards establishing a ‘Space Corps’ within the Air Force — similar to the way the Marine Corps functions in the Navy — by drafting legislation that would require the new organization to be set up by January 1, 2019.

As the House Armed Services Committee prepares to vote on the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), the strategic forces subcommittee — which oversees military space matters — released its proposed additions to the bill. The subcommittee has scheduled a formal legislative mark-up session for Thursday.

The subcommittee’s top Republican, Rep. Mike Rogers of Alabama, and top Democrat, Rep. Jim Cooper of Tennessee, said the subcommittee’s mark would require the Air Force to establish the Space Corps to serve “as a separate military service within the Department of the Air Force and under the civilian leadership of the Secretary of the Air Force.”

“There is bipartisan acknowledgement that the strategic advantages we derive from our national security space systems are eroding,” Rogers and Cooper said in a prepared statement. “We are convinced that the Department of Defense is unable to take the measures necessary to address these challenges effectively and decisively, or even recognize the nature and scale of its problems.”

“Thus, Congress has to step in,” the statement continues. “We must act now to fix national security space and put in place a foundation for defending space as a critical element of national security. Therefore, our Mark will require the creation, under the Secretary of the Air Force, of a new Space Corps, as a separate military service responsible for national security space programs for which the Air Force is today responsible. We view this as a first, but critical step, to fixing the National Security Space enterprise.”

The Space Corp would be led by its own chief, who would sit on the Joint Chiefs of Staff with a six-year term, the bill says. It would be a position equal to the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, and would answer to the Secretary of the Air Force.

The subcommittee’s markup of the bill would also set up a U.S. Space Command that would be a sub-unified command under U.S. Strategic Command, a move lawmakers hope would improve the integration of space operations in warfighting.

The subcommittee’s action on the NDAA is one of the early steps in a lengthy legislative process. The bill would still need to get approval from the full committee before it could be debated by the House, but the chamber isn’t expected to vote on the NDAA until after the Fourth of July holiday. The legislation would also need to pass the Senate, which is working on a defense authorization bill of its own. The House and Senate must pass identical bills before sending the legislation to the White House to be signed into law by the president.

The Senate Armed Services Committee is not scheduled to hold its full markup of the NDAA until June 28.

Current Air Force leadership opposes setting up a Space Corps. Appearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee in May, Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein said he believes the move would only cause confusion.

“I don’t support it at this time,” the general said. “Right now, to get focused on a large organizational change would actually slow us down…Whether there’s a time in our future where we want to take a look at this again, I would say that we keep that dialog open, but right now I think it would actually move us backwards.”


Source

I wonder what the age limit for joining is. I'd reenlist to be a space Marine. SC2 is coming to life!


I think the outer space treaty might be somewhat relevant to your considerations.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 21 2017 02:54 GMT
#158100
On June 21 2017 11:09 CobaltBlu wrote:
I think the elections being close in districts like these are results that should have been good news for Dems but will end up being a disappointment because of the hype people built around long shot elections.

I personally feel a twinge of disgust whenever I see how much money is poured into political competitions.


Personally I never expected the Democrats to win any of these early races .It's too soon after the election and the vast majority of Trump voters are still in "give em a chance!" mode. All that matters is the political environment in fall 2018.

If the result of some dumb single election like this encourages Senate Republicans to push through that health bill, then more power to them; expedite that path to implosion.
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