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On May 25 2017 01:16 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
That's such a douchy comment to make. The country is made of people, he is a citizen, so it's partly about him, and about the countless people who are in his situation.
Ever heard of empathy, or don't you give a fuck about anything that doesn't happen to you? I mean would it be just "personal" if you were in his situation? Empathy has nothing to do with it. Proper governance isn't about righting individual wrongs and injustices. It's about creating a policy that applies to the whole. There will always be people at the margin who get the short end of the stick when a policy is implemented. Healthcare is no different. Like everything else, it is a finite resource. And just because my observation is douchey doesn't mean that it is incorrect.
No, just the overwhelming evidence that our healthcare system is a for-profit capitalist nightmare that was bankrupting Americans and slowly destroying our economy. And the entire group of functional of smaller nations, including Canada, that can support have functional heathcare systems that work. As always, it is the evidence that makes you wrong. The doucheyness speaks for itself.
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On May 25 2017 01:16 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
That's such a douchy comment to make. The country is made of people, he is a citizen, so it's partly about him, and about the countless people who are in his situation.
Ever heard of empathy, or don't you give a fuck about anything that doesn't happen to you? I mean would it be just "personal" if you were in his situation? Empathy has nothing to do with it. Proper governance isn't about righting individual wrongs and injustices. It's about creating a policy that applies to the whole. There will always be people at the margin who get the short end of the stick when a policy is implemented. Healthcare is no different. Like everything else, it is a finite resource. And just because my observation is douchey doesn't mean that it is incorrect.
But 24 million people is not 'the margins' when it comes to health care, even in a country as big as the US. Nobody expects billions of dollars to be poured into Hutchinson-Gilford Progeria-research.
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On May 25 2017 01:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:16 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 01:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
That's such a douchy comment to make. The country is made of people, he is a citizen, so it's partly about him, and about the countless people who are in his situation.
Ever heard of empathy, or don't you give a fuck about anything that doesn't happen to you? I mean would it be just "personal" if you were in his situation? Empathy has nothing to do with it. Proper governance isn't about righting individual wrongs and injustices. It's about creating a policy that applies to the whole. There will always be people at the margin who get the short end of the stick when a policy is implemented. Healthcare is no different. Like everything else, it is a finite resource. And just because my observation is douchey doesn't mean that it is incorrect. No, just the overwhelming evidence that our healthcare system is a for-profit capitalist nightmare that was bankrupting Americans and slowly destroying our economy. And the entire group of functional of smaller nations, including Canada, that can support have functional heathcare systems that work. As always, it is the evidence that makes you wrong. The doucheyness speaks for itself.
This is where I remind everyone that I'm in favor of baseline single payer healthcare. You're basically proving my larger point: so many of y'all on the left have worked yourselves up into such a frenzy that you can no longer see straight on these political issues.
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On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. 2) To the extent that Trump does share confidential information with a foreign leader in a private communication, there is far less risk of that information becoming publicly known (or otherwise known by hostile interests) when it shouldn't be than when someone inside the administration or the intelligence community leaks that very information to the press. 3) For this reason, it is exceedingly clear that the bigger problem is the community of leakers who can't keep their mouths shut. So yes, I do hope that Trump launches an inquisition against the leakers and criminally prosecutes them to the fullest extent of the law. These people aren't heroes. They aren't whistleblowers. They are political hacks.
This isn't even a case of leaks. It was originally a transcript readout of the conversation by the Phillipines. Which will be a risk of happening with these conversations.
Keep in mind that trump damaged our ability to fight ISIS by passing the info to the Russians who would then pass to Iran. That happens before anything hits the press, and Israel has lost its source. All of which is to say, Trump divulging info in a buffoonish way makes a mockery of his authority to divulge whatever he wants.
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On May 25 2017 01:16 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
That's such a douchy comment to make. The country is made of people, he is a citizen, so it's partly about him, and about the countless people who are in his situation.
Ever heard of empathy, or don't you give a fuck about anything that doesn't happen to you? I mean would it be just "personal" if you were in his situation? Empathy has nothing to do with it. Proper governance isn't about righting individual wrongs and injustices. It's about creating a policy that applies to the whole. There will always be people at the margin who get the short end of the stick when a policy is implemented. Healthcare is no different. Like everything else, it is a finite resource. And just because my observation is douchey doesn't mean that it is incorrect.
And that is the whole problem with you and the whole "american rightism" ideology in a nutshell. Proper governance is the exact opposite of what you think it is - it is about making policies that benefit almost everyone, but especially the poor, it's about making sure that nobody is marginalized, that nobody gets hurt. Healthcare is no different, like every other basic right, it should be provided to everyone and it can, as shown by the fucking civilized world with universal healthcare. Yeah, doing that also includes taxes, in particular for the rich, which probably qualifies as "injustice" to you, but guess what, nobody gives a shit, in particular not people whose lives are in danger.
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On May 25 2017 01:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:10 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 01:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 25 2017 00:43 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:38 Mohdoo wrote:On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. Trump could also authorize military strikes on allies. Doesn't mean its a good idea. Powers being given to the executive branch does not mean every instance of using these powers is proper or a good idea. You're making a weird argument here, as if being given the power means the power is always used well. People are saying he is using that power very poorly. The executive is empowered with all of this discretion by necessity. He's the one in the know. Not us. If we don't like what he's doing, then the remedy is to vote him out of office during the next election. The problem here is the same as it was during the campaign: no one on the left is going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on anything, so all we get is a relentlessly mindless critique of every thing that he does. Maybe y'all should at least take time to consider the possibility that you're wrong about some of this shit. You certainly were wrong about plenty during the campaign. The people wrong about Trump during the campaign were the ones claiming he was gonna pivot and become presidential. Sure, the left was totally wrong about his chances to win the election, but totally right about how ridiculously incompetent he is. Maybe you haven't noticed, but (much to my dismay) Trump clearly has pivoted substantially towards the center on many issues. I guess, sadly, the saudi trip was somewhat on par for american presidents. I think my sadly comes from a completely different angle than your dismay does, though. I will also accept that on policy he has moved away from his campaign promises towards the center on many issues. But in terms of competence and ability to appear presidential he has not showed significant improvements at all. Honestly, I think the two are related; his campaign promises were not attainable, he wasn't competent enough to make them come true, and the policy pivots are caused by influence of the staff members that are competent.
I think it was all salesmanship. The rubes wanted to hear that Trump would crack down on pluralism (no more PC, more Wall, Muslim Ban). Thus, Trump would tell them he would be the man to end pluralism and the demographic threats from the brown tide. He got applause every time he said he would say "Radical Islamic Terrorism". But it was all just sales to gullible people he only temporarily needed, just like every other person he has ever done business with and promptly screwed over. Now that Trump has different constituents, he quickly about faces are starts trying salesman them (the Saudis, the Israelis, the Palestinians, all at once).
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so the budget has more problems in it
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On May 25 2017 01:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:16 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 01:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
That's such a douchy comment to make. The country is made of people, he is a citizen, so it's partly about him, and about the countless people who are in his situation.
Ever heard of empathy, or don't you give a fuck about anything that doesn't happen to you? I mean would it be just "personal" if you were in his situation? Empathy has nothing to do with it. Proper governance isn't about righting individual wrongs and injustices. It's about creating a policy that applies to the whole. There will always be people at the margin who get the short end of the stick when a policy is implemented. Healthcare is no different. Like everything else, it is a finite resource. And just because my observation is douchey doesn't mean that it is incorrect. No, just the overwhelming evidence that our healthcare system is a for-profit capitalist nightmare that was bankrupting Americans and slowly destroying our economy. And the entire group of functional of smaller nations, including Canada, that can support have functional heathcare systems that work. As always, it is the evidence that makes you wrong. The doucheyness speaks for itself.
To be fair, Canada doesn't have to spend nearly as much in terms of military, that bill is essentially being footed by the USA.
In order for US to adapt a Canadian style of medical care, the country needs to stop being the world police which Trump ran on. USA is tied to all sort of foreign commitments that drained the country's resources.
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On May 25 2017 01:23 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. 2) To the extent that Trump does share confidential information with a foreign leader in a private communication, there is far less risk of that information becoming publicly known (or otherwise known by hostile interests) when it shouldn't be than when someone inside the administration or the intelligence community leaks that very information to the press. 3) For this reason, it is exceedingly clear that the bigger problem is the community of leakers who can't keep their mouths shut. So yes, I do hope that Trump launches an inquisition against the leakers and criminally prosecutes them to the fullest extent of the law. These people aren't heroes. They aren't whistleblowers. They are political hacks. This isn't even a case of leaks. It was originally a transcript readout of the conversation by the Phillipines. Which will be a risk of happening with these conversations. Keep in mind that trump damaged our ability to fight ISIS by passing the info to the Russians who would then pass to Iran. That happens before anything hits the press, and Israel has lost its source. All of which is to say, Trump divulging info in a buffoonish way makes a mockery of his authority to divulge whatever he wants.
Wasn't the transcript leaked to the Intercept? I was under the impression that it wasn't something that was readily available.
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Trump and Kushner: "Just trust us."
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On May 25 2017 01:23 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:19 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2017 01:16 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 01:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
That's such a douchy comment to make. The country is made of people, he is a citizen, so it's partly about him, and about the countless people who are in his situation.
Ever heard of empathy, or don't you give a fuck about anything that doesn't happen to you? I mean would it be just "personal" if you were in his situation? Empathy has nothing to do with it. Proper governance isn't about righting individual wrongs and injustices. It's about creating a policy that applies to the whole. There will always be people at the margin who get the short end of the stick when a policy is implemented. Healthcare is no different. Like everything else, it is a finite resource. And just because my observation is douchey doesn't mean that it is incorrect. No, just the overwhelming evidence that our healthcare system is a for-profit capitalist nightmare that was bankrupting Americans and slowly destroying our economy. And the entire group of functional of smaller nations, including Canada, that can support have functional heathcare systems that work. As always, it is the evidence that makes you wrong. The doucheyness speaks for itself. This is where I remind everyone that I'm in favor of baseline single payer healthcare. You're basically proving my larger point: so many of y'all on the left have worked yourselves up into such a frenzy that you can no longer see straight on these political issues.
You may say you support single payer, but you voting record shows you value other things far more. This is the problem conservatives like yourself have. You want to political results that will result in harsh negative effects on people's lives, but then expect this real rational debate it after wining. Which is in sharp contrast to the emotion based rhetoric that win Trump this election.
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On May 25 2017 01:10 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 25 2017 00:43 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:38 Mohdoo wrote:On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. Trump could also authorize military strikes on allies. Doesn't mean its a good idea. Powers being given to the executive branch does not mean every instance of using these powers is proper or a good idea. You're making a weird argument here, as if being given the power means the power is always used well. People are saying he is using that power very poorly. The executive is empowered with all of this discretion by necessity. He's the one in the know. Not us. If we don't like what he's doing, then the remedy is to vote him out of office during the next election. The problem here is the same as it was during the campaign: no one on the left is going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on anything, so all we get is a relentlessly mindless critique of every thing that he does. Maybe y'all should at least take time to consider the possibility that you're wrong about some of this shit. You certainly were wrong about plenty during the campaign. The people wrong about Trump during the campaign were the ones claiming he was gonna pivot and become presidential. Sure, the left was totally wrong about his chances to win the election, but totally right about how ridiculously incompetent he is. Maybe you haven't noticed, but (much to my dismay) Trump clearly has pivoted substantially towards the center on many issues.
I don't think any of that can be undone, given the influence of Kushner and Ivanka. I saw it mostly from the evolution of the draft EO on religious freedom. If Kushner really is this liberal senior advisor that can't be fired, and my understanding of Trump leads me to believe that's the case, then this is just the start.
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On May 25 2017 01:39 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:10 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 01:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 25 2017 00:43 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:38 Mohdoo wrote:On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. Trump could also authorize military strikes on allies. Doesn't mean its a good idea. Powers being given to the executive branch does not mean every instance of using these powers is proper or a good idea. You're making a weird argument here, as if being given the power means the power is always used well. People are saying he is using that power very poorly. The executive is empowered with all of this discretion by necessity. He's the one in the know. Not us. If we don't like what he's doing, then the remedy is to vote him out of office during the next election. The problem here is the same as it was during the campaign: no one on the left is going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on anything, so all we get is a relentlessly mindless critique of every thing that he does. Maybe y'all should at least take time to consider the possibility that you're wrong about some of this shit. You certainly were wrong about plenty during the campaign. The people wrong about Trump during the campaign were the ones claiming he was gonna pivot and become presidential. Sure, the left was totally wrong about his chances to win the election, but totally right about how ridiculously incompetent he is. Maybe you haven't noticed, but (much to my dismay) Trump clearly has pivoted substantially towards the center on many issues. I don't think any of that can be undone, given the influence of Kushner and Ivanka. I saw it mostly from the evolution of the draft EO on religious freedom. If Kushner really is this liberal senior advisor that can't be fired, and my understanding of Trump leads me to believe that's the case, then this is just the start.
Kushner's history, combined with all these recent investigations, lead me to believe Sessions was supposed to be the crucial piece that held the whole tower together. I won't be surprised if Kushner ends up toast but Trump survives.
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On May 25 2017 01:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:23 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 01:19 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2017 01:16 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 01:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
That's such a douchy comment to make. The country is made of people, he is a citizen, so it's partly about him, and about the countless people who are in his situation.
Ever heard of empathy, or don't you give a fuck about anything that doesn't happen to you? I mean would it be just "personal" if you were in his situation? Empathy has nothing to do with it. Proper governance isn't about righting individual wrongs and injustices. It's about creating a policy that applies to the whole. There will always be people at the margin who get the short end of the stick when a policy is implemented. Healthcare is no different. Like everything else, it is a finite resource. And just because my observation is douchey doesn't mean that it is incorrect. No, just the overwhelming evidence that our healthcare system is a for-profit capitalist nightmare that was bankrupting Americans and slowly destroying our economy. And the entire group of functional of smaller nations, including Canada, that can support have functional heathcare systems that work. As always, it is the evidence that makes you wrong. The doucheyness speaks for itself. This is where I remind everyone that I'm in favor of baseline single payer healthcare. You're basically proving my larger point: so many of y'all on the left have worked yourselves up into such a frenzy that you can no longer see straight on these political issues. You may say you support single payer, but you voting record shows you value other things far more. This is the problem conservatives like yourself have. You want to political results that will result in harsh negative effects on people's lives, but then expect this real rational debate it after wining. Which is in sharp contrast to the emotion based rhetoric that win Trump this election.
The conservative line of thinking is more like "Okay let's not spent anything that can gain us short term satisfaction and start looking long-term. So baby, this will hurt at first but come on let's think long term."
But the country's political system just don't allow long-term thinking. Any type of reasonable plan will get squandered by the opposite political party because the opposite political party wants to pander to certain groups of people.
Which is why this two party system need to stop pitting people against each other like some sort of oppression olympic. There need to be multiple parties where people generally agree on the direction of the country but only differs on the methods of execution.
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On May 25 2017 01:45 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:38 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2017 01:23 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 01:19 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2017 01:16 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 01:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
That's such a douchy comment to make. The country is made of people, he is a citizen, so it's partly about him, and about the countless people who are in his situation.
Ever heard of empathy, or don't you give a fuck about anything that doesn't happen to you? I mean would it be just "personal" if you were in his situation? Empathy has nothing to do with it. Proper governance isn't about righting individual wrongs and injustices. It's about creating a policy that applies to the whole. There will always be people at the margin who get the short end of the stick when a policy is implemented. Healthcare is no different. Like everything else, it is a finite resource. And just because my observation is douchey doesn't mean that it is incorrect. No, just the overwhelming evidence that our healthcare system is a for-profit capitalist nightmare that was bankrupting Americans and slowly destroying our economy. And the entire group of functional of smaller nations, including Canada, that can support have functional heathcare systems that work. As always, it is the evidence that makes you wrong. The doucheyness speaks for itself. This is where I remind everyone that I'm in favor of baseline single payer healthcare. You're basically proving my larger point: so many of y'all on the left have worked yourselves up into such a frenzy that you can no longer see straight on these political issues. You may say you support single payer, but you voting record shows you value other things far more. This is the problem conservatives like yourself have. You want to political results that will result in harsh negative effects on people's lives, but then expect this real rational debate it after wining. Which is in sharp contrast to the emotion based rhetoric that win Trump this election. The conservative line of thinking is more like "Okay let's not spent anything that can gain us short term satisfaction and start looking long-term. So baby, this will hurt at first but come on let's think long term." But the country's political system just don't allow long-term thinking. Any type of reasonable plan will get squandered by the opposite political party because the opposite political party wants to pander to certain groups of people. Which is why this two party system need to stop pitting people against each other like some sort of oppression olympic. There need to be multiple parties where people generally agree on the direction of the country but only differs on the methods of execution.
If one party runs on a platform of "we're going to oppress people" then I find it hard to blame the other party for using "we don't plan on oppressing you" as a policy that makes them worth voting for. And the Republicans very much are running on a platform of oppressing gays, trans folk, women, religious minorities and immigrants.
If you don't want to make oppression a part of the election then don't make it a part of your political platform. If both sides were comfortable with the idea that gay people should have rights then there wouldn't be any gay identity politics.
Also regarding the long term thinking, Republicans can't even manage single year thinking. They struggle with shit like tax cuts creating budget deficits or getting rid of contraception causing pregnancies.
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On May 25 2017 01:45 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:38 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2017 01:23 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 01:19 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2017 01:16 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 01:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
That's such a douchy comment to make. The country is made of people, he is a citizen, so it's partly about him, and about the countless people who are in his situation.
Ever heard of empathy, or don't you give a fuck about anything that doesn't happen to you? I mean would it be just "personal" if you were in his situation? Empathy has nothing to do with it. Proper governance isn't about righting individual wrongs and injustices. It's about creating a policy that applies to the whole. There will always be people at the margin who get the short end of the stick when a policy is implemented. Healthcare is no different. Like everything else, it is a finite resource. And just because my observation is douchey doesn't mean that it is incorrect. No, just the overwhelming evidence that our healthcare system is a for-profit capitalist nightmare that was bankrupting Americans and slowly destroying our economy. And the entire group of functional of smaller nations, including Canada, that can support have functional heathcare systems that work. As always, it is the evidence that makes you wrong. The doucheyness speaks for itself. This is where I remind everyone that I'm in favor of baseline single payer healthcare. You're basically proving my larger point: so many of y'all on the left have worked yourselves up into such a frenzy that you can no longer see straight on these political issues. You may say you support single payer, but you voting record shows you value other things far more. This is the problem conservatives like yourself have. You want to political results that will result in harsh negative effects on people's lives, but then expect this real rational debate it after wining. Which is in sharp contrast to the emotion based rhetoric that win Trump this election. The conservative line of thinking is more like "Okay let's not spent anything that can gain us short term satisfaction and start looking long-term. So baby, this will hurt at first but come on let's think long term." But the country's political system just don't allow long-term thinking. Any type of reasonable plan will get squandered by the opposite political party because the opposite political party wants to pander to certain groups of people. Which is why this two party system need to stop pitting people against each other like some sort of oppression olympic. There need to be multiple parties where people generally agree on the direction of the country but only differs on the methods of execution.
The two party system has been functional through most of US history, with the rise of single issue parties. The rise of national news coverage, national networks and a more cohesive, regimented national parties has degraded that functionality. As the parties became more and more on national networks and the general election to carry their message to the public, the more polarized the country became. This has only become worse with the internet and how it silos off specific political viewpoints from others.
As for the oppression Olympics, the Republicans should stop making events and forcing brown people to compete in them.
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On May 25 2017 01:28 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:23 Doodsmack wrote:On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. 2) To the extent that Trump does share confidential information with a foreign leader in a private communication, there is far less risk of that information becoming publicly known (or otherwise known by hostile interests) when it shouldn't be than when someone inside the administration or the intelligence community leaks that very information to the press. 3) For this reason, it is exceedingly clear that the bigger problem is the community of leakers who can't keep their mouths shut. So yes, I do hope that Trump launches an inquisition against the leakers and criminally prosecutes them to the fullest extent of the law. These people aren't heroes. They aren't whistleblowers. They are political hacks. This isn't even a case of leaks. It was originally a transcript readout of the conversation by the Phillipines. Which will be a risk of happening with these conversations. Keep in mind that trump damaged our ability to fight ISIS by passing the info to the Russians who would then pass to Iran. That happens before anything hits the press, and Israel has lost its source. All of which is to say, Trump divulging info in a buffoonish way makes a mockery of his authority to divulge whatever he wants. Wasn't the transcript leaked to the Intercept? I was under the impression that it wasn't something that was readily available.
It was leaked by the Philippines goverment. That is how the Times got it. They asked the White House, who had no choice but to confirm the transcript was accurate or look really dumb trying to cover it up.
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We need candidates with integrity who are willing to reach over to the other side on at least one big ticket issue. For the democrats, it could have easily been strict enforcement of immigration law. What did they do instead? Celebrate illegal immigration. For republicans, Trump campaigned on increasing infrastructure spending. Honestly, these parties are so out of touch with the average voter, they don't get it. They are obsessed with rigid ideological thinking, and not looking at ways to adapt and increase their voter base. There is a good opportunity for future candidates to bridge the divide, but doing so will require them by neccessity to go against their party platform in some way or another.
This time it was Trump, next time we should hope it will be someone with better temparement.
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Sorry not very constructive to the debate and 4 years old but i had missed that and it made me laugh quite a bit.
Still, my ego would really hurt these days if I had ever put any faith in that guy.
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