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Because he didn't share information with the russians in that way?
I agree that Trump mentioning a second sub in the region is not the biggest of deals, but next time he tells Duterte how great his best female spy in Pjöngjang is, she has secured a spot in the kitchen of Kim and she does it while even having blond hair. Best sexy spy ever! So great.
We are not giving him the benefit of the doubt because he hasnt had a single instance of handling anything well. I can't remember a single thing he did so far where i did not facepalm. Maybe we react that way not because we are leftists but because he is shit at his job.
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On May 25 2017 00:57 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 00:55 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2017 00:43 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:38 Mohdoo wrote:On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. Trump could also authorize military strikes on allies. Doesn't mean its a good idea. Powers being given to the executive branch does not mean every instance of using these powers is proper or a good idea. You're making a weird argument here, as if being given the power means the power is always used well. People are saying he is using that power very poorly. The executive is empowered with all of this discretion by necessity. He's the one in the know. Not us. If we don't like what he's doing, then the remedy is to vote him out of office during the next election. The problem here is the same as it was during the campaign: no one on the left is going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on anything, so all we get is a relentlessly mindless critique of every thing that he does. Maybe y'all should at least take time to consider the possibility that you're wrong about some of this shit. You certainly were wrong about plenty during the campaign. Why would the left give him the benefit of the doubt? He was in office for less than a week and started fighting about crowd size. Then he nominated a cabinet that they loathed and then signed a bunch of EOs that they loathed. His party is passing health care laws in a manner that specifically prevents the Democrats from adding amendment or allows for floor debate. Trump and his entire party are operating on the “fuck the left, we won” platform. So they don’t get the benefit of the doubt. Basic fairness? Showing a semblance of objectivity? Trump has a ton of flaws and there are all sorts of things that he can be legitimately attacked on. What I find objectionable is the wholesale manufacturing of things to attack him on.
Bro, the clown and his party are trying to take away my wife’s healthcare. I give no fucks about fairness, they are trying to screw me over and have been since he took office. Now take that and expand it out to all the other people on the left and you have your reason why. Add the fact that Trump cannot keep himself out of the headlines and of course the reporting is going to be negative. The President is a punching bag for the public and press, which is why a lot of them kept a low profile and just tried to do their job. This is literally what you signed up for. The aggressive, screw the left style of campaign he ran has consequences beyond November, 2016.
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On May 25 2017 00:58 Broetchenholer wrote:
Because he didn't share information with the russians in that way?
I agree that Trump mentioning a second sub in the region is not the biggest of deals, but next time he tells Duterte how great his best female spy in Pjöngjang is, she has secured a spot in the kitchen of Kim and she does it while even having blond hair. Best sexy spy ever! So great.
We are not giving him the benefit of the doubt because he hasnt had a single instance of handling anything well. I can't remember a single thing he did so far where i did not facepalm. Maybe we react that way not because we are leftists but because he is shit at his job.
Take a look at this article. I found this section to be particularly on point:
When Osama bin Laden was killed, President Obama was not content to explain that fact to the American people. His administration gratuitously disclosed that the raid on the al-Qaeda emir’s compound in Pakistan produced a “trove” of actionable intelligence. From a national-security standpoint, this political grandstanding was a foolish: It gave al-Qaeda operatives a heads-up that their cells and activities had likely been exposed, providing them the opportunity to disappear before our forces could roll them up. And then there is the Obama administration’s leak disclosing (to the Washington Post) General Michael Flynn’s conversations with Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak. This was done with obvious malevolence to hurt Flynn and Trump (who had named Flynn national-security adviser). The beneficiary, however, was Russia. It received valuable information that its ambassador was under surveillance and that whatever countermeasures the Kremlin’s intelligence services had been taking had failed. This is apt to make Russian operatives more difficult to monitor in the future.
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What happened exactly? I heard from various places that Trump shared something about an ISIS plot to use modified laptop batteries as bombs to bring down airplanes? And the Israeli source who told the US this knew about this because he was at the top-level ISIS meeting where this plan was hatched?
The US already made moves to ban all laptops from cabins, so they had already publicly reacted to this plot. If Trump told the Russians why the US did this in the context of a discussion regarding terrorists (McMasters said that they'd been talking about some Russian airliner that was brought down by terrorists 2 years ago), then I don't see how Trump did anything wrong.
It would have been a good starting point for repairing relations between the US government and the Russian government.
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On May 25 2017 01:03 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 00:57 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:55 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2017 00:43 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:38 Mohdoo wrote:On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. Trump could also authorize military strikes on allies. Doesn't mean its a good idea. Powers being given to the executive branch does not mean every instance of using these powers is proper or a good idea. You're making a weird argument here, as if being given the power means the power is always used well. People are saying he is using that power very poorly. The executive is empowered with all of this discretion by necessity. He's the one in the know. Not us. If we don't like what he's doing, then the remedy is to vote him out of office during the next election. The problem here is the same as it was during the campaign: no one on the left is going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on anything, so all we get is a relentlessly mindless critique of every thing that he does. Maybe y'all should at least take time to consider the possibility that you're wrong about some of this shit. You certainly were wrong about plenty during the campaign. Why would the left give him the benefit of the doubt? He was in office for less than a week and started fighting about crowd size. Then he nominated a cabinet that they loathed and then signed a bunch of EOs that they loathed. His party is passing health care laws in a manner that specifically prevents the Democrats from adding amendment or allows for floor debate. Trump and his entire party are operating on the “fuck the left, we won” platform. So they don’t get the benefit of the doubt. Basic fairness? Showing a semblance of objectivity? Trump has a ton of flaws and there are all sorts of things that he can be legitimately attacked on. What I find objectionable is the wholesale manufacturing of things to attack him on. Bro, the clown and his party are trying to take away my wife’s healthcare. I give no fucks about fairness, they are trying to screw me over and have been since he took office. Now take that and expand it out to all the other people on the left and you have your reason why. Add the fact that Trump cannot keep himself out of the headlines and of course the reporting is going to be negative. The President is a punching bag for the public and press, which is why a lot of them kept a low profile and just tried to do their job.
Ah, so now we come to it. It's intensely personal and not even really about the country.
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Are you for real? Healthcare is personal for everyone that isn't filthy rich and has someone ill in his social circle.
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On May 25 2017 01:04 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:03 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2017 00:57 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:55 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2017 00:43 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:38 Mohdoo wrote:On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. Trump could also authorize military strikes on allies. Doesn't mean its a good idea. Powers being given to the executive branch does not mean every instance of using these powers is proper or a good idea. You're making a weird argument here, as if being given the power means the power is always used well. People are saying he is using that power very poorly. The executive is empowered with all of this discretion by necessity. He's the one in the know. Not us. If we don't like what he's doing, then the remedy is to vote him out of office during the next election. The problem here is the same as it was during the campaign: no one on the left is going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on anything, so all we get is a relentlessly mindless critique of every thing that he does. Maybe y'all should at least take time to consider the possibility that you're wrong about some of this shit. You certainly were wrong about plenty during the campaign. Why would the left give him the benefit of the doubt? He was in office for less than a week and started fighting about crowd size. Then he nominated a cabinet that they loathed and then signed a bunch of EOs that they loathed. His party is passing health care laws in a manner that specifically prevents the Democrats from adding amendment or allows for floor debate. Trump and his entire party are operating on the “fuck the left, we won” platform. So they don’t get the benefit of the doubt. Basic fairness? Showing a semblance of objectivity? Trump has a ton of flaws and there are all sorts of things that he can be legitimately attacked on. What I find objectionable is the wholesale manufacturing of things to attack him on. Bro, the clown and his party are trying to take away my wife’s healthcare. I give no fucks about fairness, they are trying to screw me over and have been since he took office. Now take that and expand it out to all the other people on the left and you have your reason why. Add the fact that Trump cannot keep himself out of the headlines and of course the reporting is going to be negative. The President is a punching bag for the public and press, which is why a lot of them kept a low profile and just tried to do their job. Ah, so now we come to it. It's intensely personal and not even really about the country.
Of course it is personal. What did you think politics was, abstract? When you talk about dismantling the “administrative state” you are talking about eliminating peoples jobs and programs people rely on without replacing them. Not all of us are upper middle class lawyers that can treat all politics as a recreational sport and pass time. Some of us need the ACA to exist.
And don't say it isn't about country. I supported by brother through 2 tours. And now we deal with the lack luster support the goverment offers to vets, which is also on the chopping block.
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On May 25 2017 01:08 Velr wrote:
Are you fir real? Healthcare is personal for everyone that isn't filthy rich and has someone ill in his social circle.
So? That doesn't change the underlying point everything that someone like Plansix says about Trump is about as credible as Flynn talking about Turkey.
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On May 25 2017 00:43 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 00:38 Mohdoo wrote:On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. Trump could also authorize military strikes on allies. Doesn't mean its a good idea. Powers being given to the executive branch does not mean every instance of using these powers is proper or a good idea. You're making a weird argument here, as if being given the power means the power is always used well. People are saying he is using that power very poorly. The executive is empowered with all of this discretion by necessity. He's the one in the know. Not us. If we don't like what he's doing, then the remedy is to vote him out of office during the next election. The problem here is the same as it was during the campaign: no one on the left is going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on anything, so all we get is a relentlessly mindless critique of every thing that he does. Maybe y'all should at least take time to consider the possibility that you're wrong about some of this shit. You certainly were wrong about plenty during the campaign.
The people wrong about Trump during the campaign were the ones claiming he was gonna pivot and become presidential. Sure, the left was totally wrong about his chances to win the election, but totally right about how ridiculously incompetent he is.
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Chris Coons, a Democratic member of the Senate foreign affairs committee, said questions were being raised about whether the Trump administration understood what it meant to treat highly classified intelligence responsibly.
He told MSNBC: “Our alliance with the people of Great Britain is one of our closest, strongest, oldest – and our prayers are with them, the families who lost loved ones in Manchester … We’ve got a very close intelligence and defence partnership with the UK and that news is troubling and it suggests that we have even more close allies who are questioning whether we can be trusted with vital intelligence.
“This is a key part of what keeps us safe, a global network of allies with whom we share intelligence and strategic and planning and defence resources … I am hearing real questions raised about whether this administration, in particular President Trump, understands what it means to treat highly classified intelligence carefully and responsibly.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/24/us-officials-leak-more-manchester-details-hours-after-uk-rebuke
So there you have it. This administration doesn't even know how to keep intelligence quiet. What a bunch of fuck ups. They are absolutely clueless about diplomacy, love to show it, and don't give a shit about the consequences for everyone else.
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On May 25 2017 01:04 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:03 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2017 00:57 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:55 Plansix wrote:On May 25 2017 00:43 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:38 Mohdoo wrote:On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. Trump could also authorize military strikes on allies. Doesn't mean its a good idea. Powers being given to the executive branch does not mean every instance of using these powers is proper or a good idea. You're making a weird argument here, as if being given the power means the power is always used well. People are saying he is using that power very poorly. The executive is empowered with all of this discretion by necessity. He's the one in the know. Not us. If we don't like what he's doing, then the remedy is to vote him out of office during the next election. The problem here is the same as it was during the campaign: no one on the left is going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on anything, so all we get is a relentlessly mindless critique of every thing that he does. Maybe y'all should at least take time to consider the possibility that you're wrong about some of this shit. You certainly were wrong about plenty during the campaign. Why would the left give him the benefit of the doubt? He was in office for less than a week and started fighting about crowd size. Then he nominated a cabinet that they loathed and then signed a bunch of EOs that they loathed. His party is passing health care laws in a manner that specifically prevents the Democrats from adding amendment or allows for floor debate. Trump and his entire party are operating on the “fuck the left, we won” platform. So they don’t get the benefit of the doubt. Basic fairness? Showing a semblance of objectivity? Trump has a ton of flaws and there are all sorts of things that he can be legitimately attacked on. What I find objectionable is the wholesale manufacturing of things to attack him on. Bro, the clown and his party are trying to take away my wife’s healthcare. I give no fucks about fairness, they are trying to screw me over and have been since he took office. Now take that and expand it out to all the other people on the left and you have your reason why. Add the fact that Trump cannot keep himself out of the headlines and of course the reporting is going to be negative. The President is a punching bag for the public and press, which is why a lot of them kept a low profile and just tried to do their job. Ah, so now we come to it. It's intensely personal and not even really about the country.
That's such a douchy comment to make. The country is made of people, he is a citizen, so it's partly about him, and about the countless people who are in his situation.
Ever heard of empathy, or don't you give a fuck about anything that doesn't happen to you? I mean would it be just "personal" if you were in his situation?
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On May 25 2017 01:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 00:43 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:38 Mohdoo wrote:On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. Trump could also authorize military strikes on allies. Doesn't mean its a good idea. Powers being given to the executive branch does not mean every instance of using these powers is proper or a good idea. You're making a weird argument here, as if being given the power means the power is always used well. People are saying he is using that power very poorly. The executive is empowered with all of this discretion by necessity. He's the one in the know. Not us. If we don't like what he's doing, then the remedy is to vote him out of office during the next election. The problem here is the same as it was during the campaign: no one on the left is going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on anything, so all we get is a relentlessly mindless critique of every thing that he does. Maybe y'all should at least take time to consider the possibility that you're wrong about some of this shit. You certainly were wrong about plenty during the campaign. The people wrong about Trump during the campaign were the ones claiming he was gonna pivot and become presidential. Sure, the left was totally wrong about his chances to win the election, but totally right about how ridiculously incompetent he is.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but (much to my dismay) Trump clearly has pivoted substantially towards the center on many issues.
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On May 25 2017 01:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:08 Velr wrote:
Are you fir real? Healthcare is personal for everyone that isn't filthy rich and has someone ill in his social circle. So? That doesn't change the underlying point everything that someone like Plansix says about Trump is about as credible as Flynn talking about Turkey.
Sooo.. aside from Trump becoming presidential, which many never believed, where were the leftists wrong about him?
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That is a trash whataboutism because "From a national-security standpoint, this political grandstanding was a foolish: It gave al-Qaeda operatives a heads-up that their cells and activities had likely been exposed, providing them the opportunity to disappear before our forces could roll them up." is simply made up by the author with no citation to any concerned security officials. Nobody complained at the time beyond the usual professional republican partisans. Contrast that with repeated reports of the risks Trump took with Israeli intelligence by sharing it with the Russians (allies of Iran, remember?)
The life of a spy placed by Israel inside ISIS is at risk tonight, according to current and former U.S. officials, after President Donald Trump reportedly disclosed classified information in a meeting with Russian officials last week.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/trumps-disclosure-endangered-spy-inside-isis-israel-officials/story?id=47449304
“If tomorrow I were asked to pass information to the CIA, I would do everything I could to not pass it to them. Or I would first protect myself and only then give it, and what I’d give would be totally neutered,” Shavit told The Times of Israel in a phone interview.
“If some smart guy decides that he’s allowed to leak information, then your partners in cooperation will be fewer or just won’t be at all,” he warned.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/former-israeli-spymasters-rip-into-trump-say-israel-must-reassess-intel-sharing/
I am told that what the President did is actually far worse than what is being reported. The President does not seem to realize or appreciate that his bragging can undermine relationships with our allies and with human intelligence sources. He also does not seem to appreciate that his loose lips can get valuable assets in the field killed.
http://theresurgent.com/i-know-one-of-the-sources/
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On May 25 2017 01:10 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 25 2017 00:43 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:38 Mohdoo wrote:On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. Trump could also authorize military strikes on allies. Doesn't mean its a good idea. Powers being given to the executive branch does not mean every instance of using these powers is proper or a good idea. You're making a weird argument here, as if being given the power means the power is always used well. People are saying he is using that power very poorly. The executive is empowered with all of this discretion by necessity. He's the one in the know. Not us. If we don't like what he's doing, then the remedy is to vote him out of office during the next election. The problem here is the same as it was during the campaign: no one on the left is going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on anything, so all we get is a relentlessly mindless critique of every thing that he does. Maybe y'all should at least take time to consider the possibility that you're wrong about some of this shit. You certainly were wrong about plenty during the campaign. The people wrong about Trump during the campaign were the ones claiming he was gonna pivot and become presidential. Sure, the left was totally wrong about his chances to win the election, but totally right about how ridiculously incompetent he is. Maybe you haven't noticed, but (much to my dismay) Trump clearly has pivoted substantially towards the center on many issues.
I think it would be more accurate to say he pivoted towards the establishment and bog standard politics rather than towards the center.
See: Medicare drug price negotiation and having tons of lobbyists in his cabinet.
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On May 25 2017 01:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:08 Velr wrote:
Are you fir real? Healthcare is personal for everyone that isn't filthy rich and has someone ill in his social circle. So? That doesn't change the underlying point everything that someone like Plansix says about Trump is about as credible as Flynn talking about Turkey.
Coming from someone who treats politics like it is pro-wrestling, this means almost nothing.
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So, if i were a Jew in 1935s Germany, would my criticism of Nazigermany not be valid because, well, they might kill me 10 years down the line in a shower? The argument that Plansix can't objectively look at Trump is like saying exactly that.
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On May 25 2017 01:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:
That's such a douchy comment to make. The country is made of people, he is a citizen, so it's partly about him, and about the countless people who are in his situation.
Ever heard of empathy, or don't you give a fuck about anything that doesn't happen to you? I mean would it be just "personal" if you were in his situation?
Empathy has nothing to do with it. Proper governance isn't about righting individual wrongs and injustices. It's about creating a policy that applies to the whole. There will always be people at the margin who get the short end of the stick when a policy is implemented. Healthcare is no different. Like everything else, it is a finite resource. And just because my observation is douchey doesn't mean that it is incorrect.
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On May 25 2017 01:10 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 01:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 25 2017 00:43 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:38 Mohdoo wrote:On May 25 2017 00:35 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 00:25 brian wrote:On May 24 2017 23:56 xDaunt wrote:
Another overblown story. We already knew that there was at least one sub in the theater (the USS Michigan). Now we know that there could be a second. And good luck to North Korea or anyone else actually finding those subs when deployed.
EDIT: I bet that the second submarine that Trump is referring to is a boomer sub that likely is always on patrol somewhere in that vicinity anyway. meanwhile for the past month you've been peddling the subject of the leaks is a non story but that leakers need to be made an example of. except for the last two weeks where the subject is a non story and the leaker is a non story lul A few things: 1) It is undisputed that Trump can disclose whatever he wants. The discretion is his to share intelligence and other information with foreign leaders. Trump could also authorize military strikes on allies. Doesn't mean its a good idea. Powers being given to the executive branch does not mean every instance of using these powers is proper or a good idea. You're making a weird argument here, as if being given the power means the power is always used well. People are saying he is using that power very poorly. The executive is empowered with all of this discretion by necessity. He's the one in the know. Not us. If we don't like what he's doing, then the remedy is to vote him out of office during the next election. The problem here is the same as it was during the campaign: no one on the left is going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on anything, so all we get is a relentlessly mindless critique of every thing that he does. Maybe y'all should at least take time to consider the possibility that you're wrong about some of this shit. You certainly were wrong about plenty during the campaign. The people wrong about Trump during the campaign were the ones claiming he was gonna pivot and become presidential. Sure, the left was totally wrong about his chances to win the election, but totally right about how ridiculously incompetent he is. Maybe you haven't noticed, but (much to my dismay) Trump clearly has pivoted substantially towards the center on many issues.
I guess, sadly, the saudi trip was somewhat on par for american presidents. I think my sadly comes from a completely different angle than your dismay does, though. I will also accept that on policy he has moved away from his campaign promises towards the center on many issues. But in terms of competence and ability to appear presidential he has not showed significant improvements at all. Honestly, I think the two are related; his campaign promises were not attainable, he wasn't competent enough to make them come true, and the policy pivots are caused by influence of the staff members that are competent.
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On May 25 2017 00:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
I find it interesting that Trump's tour of three religions (Islam, Judaism, and Christianity) has been referred to as "the three major religions". As if Judaism isn't like the 12th most practiced religion.
Jews control the finance world and Hollywood and MSM, so Judaism is actually the major religion.
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