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On May 19 2017 00:35 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 00:32 ZeromuS wrote:On May 19 2017 00:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 19 2017 00:14 Plansix wrote:On May 19 2017 00:08 Danglars wrote:On May 18 2017 23:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don't understand why wapo even ran this crap about someone joking about putin paying trump. They have some truly compelling stuff going on otherwise and it is weird that they could toss in that pile of shit along with it. They must have forgotten how reputations are ruined. It doesn't matter how many good articles are mixed in with false ones, what matters is you mixed a little shit into the brownie mix and now people won't eat them up. There is a physical recorded of the Republican leadership joking about Trump receiving Russian money in 2016 right before the end of the primary. Now there are 3 separate investigations into that fact. And the story was leaked by a Republican who clearly did not think it was funny. At the same time, Fox News and conservative outlets are pushing a debunked story about Rich Seth, claiming a PI found evidence the DNC connected. The PI has gone on the record saying he heard about it first on Fox news. They are using their own reporting as a source. http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/17/media/seth-rich-family-apology-retraction-fox-news-wttg/index.htmlThe family of Seth Rich, the Democratic National Committee staffer who was fatally shot last July, is demanding retractions from Fox News and WTTG-TV on Wednesday for their inaccurate reports on the unsolved murder, a spokesman for the family told CNN Wednesday.
"The family is officially asking for a retraction and an apology from Fox News and from the Fox 5 DC affiliate for inaccurate reporting and damaging the legacy of their son," spokesman Brad Bauman said.
This week, both Fox News and WTTG-TV published and aired reports, sourced to private investigator Rod Wheeler, that said evidence showed Rich had been in contact with Wikileaks before his death. Wheeler later told CNN he had no such evidence and that he had, in fact, only heard of some information attributed to him from a Fox News reporter with whom he spoke. Even Rich Seth's own family are asking them to stop, and they won't because Fox won't shut it's inaccurate reporting. The government of Canada had to contact FOX news to make them stop reporting that the shooting at a mosque in Quebec was done by a muslim terrorist. It took a damn government to make them stop reporting false news. Good luck for that happening in the US for this story. It was a good era when our government held the news to some standards and didn’t just let them do whatever they wanted without repercussions. 1949-1980 were ok times for news media.
I guess the government held itself to some standards too at the time. It's hard to criticize anyone when the guy in charge is a conspiracy theorist with no understanding of the concept of truth.
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The trump needs a new strategy in dealing with the press. This is a battle he can never win.
Best would be to completely ignore the press and forbid any member of the administration to talk with the press but that is probably impossible.
He could also try to bypass the press,communicating even more via twitter,possibly responding to a few tweets from ordinary people to stay connected to them.
Change the white house press conferences,just keep them very minimal with minimal information and minimal opportunity to ask questions. The press needs trump just as much as trump needs the press. He could then have an extended press conference after the official one,invitation only for media who he considers to be "objective", and only allow them to ask more questions with in depth answers.
He has to kick back to the press one way or the other and he does have several options I think.
Just trying to think what would be the best way for trump to play this situation,the above does not mean I do support trump or would support any of the above,i just think its a viable line of play for him.
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On May 19 2017 00:57 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 00:35 Plansix wrote:On May 19 2017 00:32 ZeromuS wrote:On May 19 2017 00:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 19 2017 00:14 Plansix wrote:On May 19 2017 00:08 Danglars wrote:On May 18 2017 23:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don't understand why wapo even ran this crap about someone joking about putin paying trump. They have some truly compelling stuff going on otherwise and it is weird that they could toss in that pile of shit along with it. They must have forgotten how reputations are ruined. It doesn't matter how many good articles are mixed in with false ones, what matters is you mixed a little shit into the brownie mix and now people won't eat them up. There is a physical recorded of the Republican leadership joking about Trump receiving Russian money in 2016 right before the end of the primary. Now there are 3 separate investigations into that fact. And the story was leaked by a Republican who clearly did not think it was funny. At the same time, Fox News and conservative outlets are pushing a debunked story about Rich Seth, claiming a PI found evidence the DNC connected. The PI has gone on the record saying he heard about it first on Fox news. They are using their own reporting as a source. http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/17/media/seth-rich-family-apology-retraction-fox-news-wttg/index.htmlThe family of Seth Rich, the Democratic National Committee staffer who was fatally shot last July, is demanding retractions from Fox News and WTTG-TV on Wednesday for their inaccurate reports on the unsolved murder, a spokesman for the family told CNN Wednesday.
"The family is officially asking for a retraction and an apology from Fox News and from the Fox 5 DC affiliate for inaccurate reporting and damaging the legacy of their son," spokesman Brad Bauman said.
This week, both Fox News and WTTG-TV published and aired reports, sourced to private investigator Rod Wheeler, that said evidence showed Rich had been in contact with Wikileaks before his death. Wheeler later told CNN he had no such evidence and that he had, in fact, only heard of some information attributed to him from a Fox News reporter with whom he spoke. Even Rich Seth's own family are asking them to stop, and they won't because Fox won't shut it's inaccurate reporting. The government of Canada had to contact FOX news to make them stop reporting that the shooting at a mosque in Quebec was done by a muslim terrorist. It took a damn government to make them stop reporting false news. Good luck for that happening in the US for this story. It was a good era when our government held the news to some standards and didn’t just let them do whatever they wanted without repercussions. 1949-1980 were ok times for news media. I guess the government held itself to some standards too at the time. It's hard to criticize anyone when the guy in charge is a conspiracy theorist with no understanding of the concept of truth.
There has been a slow move from Republicans from smaller government to no government. From governance with a light touch to pushing everything on the states and anyone else. They want to be responsible for nothing and attack anything that has to make hard decisions.
And because of that, they seem to be completely unaware of everything government does. The EPA tracks weather, water levels and temperature. No one else in the nation is gathering that information in one place. They collect data on storms and other natural disasters. The armed services still tracks the average height and weight and physical size of service members. That data has been used by companies for decades to set clothing sizes. The government does so many things that are of value to the US and our economy, but you would never know that if you listened conservative media. It is a huge bummer. Managing the media would mean getting involved and making decisions that they would rather push on the “free market” and hope that uncontrolled market force will solve it for them.
Side note: NPR has been finding some very good conservatives to interview lately, most that do not attack government in all ways.
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That's not going to happen. Trump seems like the guy that gets his phone taken away, then goes and buys a new one just to get back on twitter within the first 15 minutes.
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On May 19 2017 00:59 pmh wrote:
The trump needs a new strategy in dealing with the press. This is a battle he can never win.
Best would be to completely ignore the press and forbid any member of the administration to talk with the press but that is probably impossible.
He could also try to bypass the press,communicating even more via twitter,possibly responding to a few tweets from ordinary people to stay connected to them.
Change the white house press conferences,just keep them very minimal with minimal information and minimal opportunity to ask questions. The press needs trump just as much as trump needs the press. He could then have an extended press conference after the official one,invitation only for media who he considers to be "objective", and only allow them to ask more questions with in depth answers.
He has to kick back to the press one way or the other and he does have several options I think.
Just trying to think what would be the best way for trump to play this situation,the above does not mean I do support trump or would support any of the above,i just think its a viable line of play for him.
He can absolutely win this battle. 99% of the shit they hound him on is basic shit that he can simply avoid. He's constantly dealing with his own petty bullshit arguments that he started for no reason. Nobody would have been asking him about the size of his crowds had he not started lying about them.
If he wants the press to ask him about genuine issues and policy then he should define his presidency by focusing on genuine issues and policy. If he wants them to report on scandals and lies then he should define his presidency with scandals and lies. He's made his choice.
How much of the time is spent by the press asking shit like "What did the president mean when he tweeted we should stop all aid to Korea? Which Korea did he mean?"? He could avoid all of that if he just stopped fucking tweeting.
Don't start no shit, won't be no shit.
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The press doesn’t need Trump. They can report on him without the briefing and will. The press does not have the same access to congress as they do the White House and that doesn’t slow them down. They cannot be fought by denying them access. Access is the only leverage the a politician has and it isn’t that strong.
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On May 19 2017 00:59 pmh wrote:
The trump needs a new strategy in dealing with the press. This is a battle he can never win.
Best would be to completely ignore the press and forbid any member of the administration to talk with the press but that is probably impossible.
He could also try to bypass the press,communicating even more via twitter,possibly responding to a few tweets from ordinary people to stay connected to them.
Change the white house press conferences,just keep them very minimal with minimal information and minimal opportunity to ask questions. The press needs trump just as much as trump needs the press. He could then have an extended press conference after the official one,invitation only for media who he considers to be "objective", and only allow them to ask more questions with in depth answers.
He has to kick back to the press one way or the other and he does have several options I think.
Just trying to think what would be the best way for trump to play this situation,the above does not mean I do support trump or would support any of the above,i just think its a viable line of play for him.
The problem with this is that the press doesn't actually need Trump. There is so much being leaked and so many investigations going that they can fill the news with him regardless.
Cutting off the press just means that the WH loses what little control over the narrative they have and that the the media can report whatever they like.
A simple new strategy for dealing with the press would be to stop lying constantly so you don't get 3 people all filling in the details by themselves and contradicting each other. But that would require that the truth isn't damning.
Its hard to form a good media message when your boss goes and tweets out a that the news is correct and his spokespeople lied. (like with the classified information to Russia).
At this point the most likely option is to make sure Trump never talks to anyone outside of his inner circle again and by taking away his phone.
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House Oversight Committee Chair Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) is expected to announce that he plans to resign from Congress on June 30, Politico reported on Thursday.
Chaffetz is expected to make the announcement later Thursday, Politico reported, citing three unnamed sources familiar with the lawmaker’s plans. His office did not immediately respond to TPM’s requests for comment.
The House Oversight chairman announced in April that he would not seek another term in 2018 and had “made a personal decision to return to the private sector.” He later cited his lifestyle as one of the reasons he plans to leave Congress, saying, “I just turned 50. I’m sleeping on a cot in my office.”
His lifestyle may be about to get a lot cushier.
The Washingtonian reported in May that Chaffetz told colleagues he planned to take an on-air role at Fox News as early as July. Politico also reported, citing several unnamed “sources in the Capitol,” that Chaffetz has told colleagues that he will appear on Fox News.
And the report of Chaffetz’s sooner-than-expected departure from Congress comes at a time when he just got his powerful oversight panel a piece of the investigatory action around the growing scandals coming out of the White House.
In the wake of a bombshell New York Times report that then-FBI Director James Comey reportedly documented a request from President Donald Trump to shut down his bureau’s investigation into ousted National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, Chaffetz said he had his “subpoena pen ready” to get Comey’s memo.
Chaffetz announced on Twitter Wednesday that he had scheduled a hearing for next week and was trying to get Comey to testify, but apparently could not reach the former FBI director.
“I still need to speak with him,” Chaffetz tweeted, speculating that Comey “evidently has a new” phone number.
Less than 24 hours later, however, he expressed doubt that the memo actually existed.
“I question whether or not they’re actually there,” Chaffetz said of the memos Comey reportedly took down. “Nobody’s seen them.”
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Have to wonder if there is dirt on Chaffetz (maybe concerning the Obama wiretap fiasco) and he is trying to get off the Titanic hoping people will forget about him.
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Chaffetz is a weird dude. But I am sure throwing some shade onto the investigation didn’t hurt his employment opportunities at Our Dear Leader, I mean, Fox News.
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On May 19 2017 00:34 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 00:30 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:16 Doodsmack wrote:On May 18 2017 23:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don't understand why wapo even ran this crap about someone joking about putin paying trump. They have some truly compelling stuff going on otherwise and it is weird that they could toss in that pile of shit along with it. I think when McCarthy said swear to god he was probably stating a genuine belief. It's not clear that it was all a big jolly-gee joke. And Ryan did seem to be making sure that comment wouldn't get out. Evan McMullin was present and he agreed with the gist of the WaPo story. I'm beginning to understand why they still ran the story. Man present didn't get the joke, nothing is clear in transcript anymore, roll the tape. It's like WaPo is intent on only keeping its most committed followers. Danglars knows for sure that "swear to god" is stated as part of a joke.
Pretty sure I watched one of the writers of the article admit even he thought that it was a bad joke. He was probably pressured to make it more sensational than it was.
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On May 19 2017 00:45 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 00:37 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:31 Plansix wrote:On May 19 2017 00:25 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On May 19 2017 00:18 Mohdoo wrote:On May 19 2017 00:15 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 18 2017 23:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don't understand why wapo even ran this crap about someone joking about putin paying trump. They have some truly compelling stuff going on otherwise and it is weird that they could toss in that pile of shit along with it. adds to the dumpster fire. paul ryan denied it (fake news, as dangles would say), until WaPo told him they had the audio recording. I guess I don't like the idea of wapo trying to add to a dumpster fire rather than just giving us good shit. The comey memos were good shit. They didn't need to muddy their own water with stuff that people can argue is totally misleading. It gives Danglars full confidence to just plug his ears to the stuff that has been proved true. But because of this crap, people like Danglars don't even believe other stuff that has since been validated and totally true. Paul Ryan's spokeperson's response: when he first asked the offices of Ryan and McCarthy for comment, they denied that any such conversation had ever taken place. He then told them he had a transcript of the conversation, and they claimed it was fake. Only after they were told that Entous actually had a recording did they move to the position that it had all been a big joke. Yeah, I definitely believe them 100% about their "big joke." I would love to hear the audio, though, as that's the one way to clear this up for certain. So by denying the authenticity of the transcript, the WaPo was therefore justified in pretending it was anything other than a joke. This Russia stuff is just getting out of hand. Trump makes fool of himself, media asks America to hold their beers. The transcript is of a recording the post has. They have Ryan and McCarthy on tape. The people involved denied it until the post dropped the bomb that they had the tape. Then they admitted it was true. If it was all a joke, why not just admit it and provide context? Why deny it and then say the transcript is fake? Why hear fake news and then accuse others of lying as if it excuses the fact that they misreported the story with the intent of deceiving the reader? I'm sorry but I can't take your argument seriously at all. You keep saying fake news like that makes your argument. The Post has a recording, which is confirmed to be accurate by someone in the room at the time. They call Ryan and McCarthy, who both deny it until the Post informs them that they have a recording. They write that exact story. There is nothing fake about this. They are not misleading their readers. They have a tape of a discussion that in the current context is news worthy. The entire political team for NPR talked about the story on their podcast and agreed that in the current climate, the recording is bad optics for Ryan and GOP leadership. And that was news worthy because there could be more. If you don’t like it, that is your problem.
They made it out to be a serious accusation and serious hush-up. If you can't see the joke and the misreporting, I'm done here. I hope today to tell at least two jokes having to do with "X must be in league with the Russians" (and I expect none of them to go home to their wives and wonder why Dang made that accusations).
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On May 19 2017 01:53 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 00:45 Plansix wrote:On May 19 2017 00:37 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:31 Plansix wrote:On May 19 2017 00:25 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On May 19 2017 00:18 Mohdoo wrote:On May 19 2017 00:15 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 18 2017 23:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don't understand why wapo even ran this crap about someone joking about putin paying trump. They have some truly compelling stuff going on otherwise and it is weird that they could toss in that pile of shit along with it. adds to the dumpster fire. paul ryan denied it (fake news, as dangles would say), until WaPo told him they had the audio recording. I guess I don't like the idea of wapo trying to add to a dumpster fire rather than just giving us good shit. The comey memos were good shit. They didn't need to muddy their own water with stuff that people can argue is totally misleading. It gives Danglars full confidence to just plug his ears to the stuff that has been proved true. But because of this crap, people like Danglars don't even believe other stuff that has since been validated and totally true. Paul Ryan's spokeperson's response: when he first asked the offices of Ryan and McCarthy for comment, they denied that any such conversation had ever taken place. He then told them he had a transcript of the conversation, and they claimed it was fake. Only after they were told that Entous actually had a recording did they move to the position that it had all been a big joke. Yeah, I definitely believe them 100% about their "big joke." I would love to hear the audio, though, as that's the one way to clear this up for certain. So by denying the authenticity of the transcript, the WaPo was therefore justified in pretending it was anything other than a joke. This Russia stuff is just getting out of hand. Trump makes fool of himself, media asks America to hold their beers. The transcript is of a recording the post has. They have Ryan and McCarthy on tape. The people involved denied it until the post dropped the bomb that they had the tape. Then they admitted it was true. If it was all a joke, why not just admit it and provide context? Why deny it and then say the transcript is fake? Why hear fake news and then accuse others of lying as if it excuses the fact that they misreported the story with the intent of deceiving the reader? I'm sorry but I can't take your argument seriously at all. You keep saying fake news like that makes your argument. The Post has a recording, which is confirmed to be accurate by someone in the room at the time. They call Ryan and McCarthy, who both deny it until the Post informs them that they have a recording. They write that exact story. There is nothing fake about this. They are not misleading their readers. They have a tape of a discussion that in the current context is news worthy. The entire political team for NPR talked about the story on their podcast and agreed that in the current climate, the recording is bad optics for Ryan and GOP leadership. And that was news worthy because there could be more. If you don’t like it, that is your problem. They made it out to be a serious accusation and serious hush-up. If you can't see the joke and the misreporting, I'm done here. I hope today to tell at least two jokes having to do with "X must be in league with the Russians" (and I expect none of them to go home to their wives and wonder why Dang made that accusations).
I'm sorry but most people don't see the joke. I don't either. A joke wouldn't involve making everyone swear to never talk about it, saying no leaks, and implying you are a family if no leaks one time. A joke wouldn't involve denying it ever happened up until presented with evidence that it did. A joke would actually be in some way funny.
Making a joke about "X must be in league with the russians" is not in any way the same as asserting someone with ties to russia is taking money from them, who the happens to be under investigation for exactly that. What you said there is just a bad strawman.
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On May 19 2017 00:46 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 00:40 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On May 19 2017 00:30 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:16 Doodsmack wrote:On May 18 2017 23:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don't understand why wapo even ran this crap about someone joking about putin paying trump. They have some truly compelling stuff going on otherwise and it is weird that they could toss in that pile of shit along with it. I think when McCarthy said swear to god he was probably stating a genuine belief. It's not clear that it was all a big jolly-gee joke. And Ryan did seem to be making sure that comment wouldn't get out. Evan McMullin was present and he agreed with the gist of the WaPo story. I'm beginning to understand why they still ran the story. Man present didn't get the joke, nothing is clear in transcript anymore, roll the tape. It's like WaPo is intent on only keeping its most committed followers. It possibly couldn't be that a media outlet ran a story because they had conclusive proof that an extremely important polititian lied? It's not Trump level which diminishes its impact though, but that's not a good thing. You mean a media outlet published fake news as a response to a lie. I don't know of any paper I'd consider reputable that retaliates for lies by publishing lies. But then the 2016 election has really messed up WaPo, among others. How is it fake?
Read this and then read the write up. If the answer to your question isn't obvious, we're probably not going to see eye to eye on this.
On May 18 2017 23:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don't understand why wapo even ran this crap about someone joking about putin paying trump. They have some truly compelling stuff going on otherwise and it is weird that they could toss in that pile of shit along with it.
I basically had the same response as Mohdoo here. If Trump's really bad, and I think he basically is, you shouldn't have to make stuff up and then lie when you're caught red-handed.
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On May 19 2017 01:56 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 01:53 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:45 Plansix wrote:On May 19 2017 00:37 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:31 Plansix wrote:On May 19 2017 00:25 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On May 19 2017 00:18 Mohdoo wrote:On May 19 2017 00:15 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 18 2017 23:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don't understand why wapo even ran this crap about someone joking about putin paying trump. They have some truly compelling stuff going on otherwise and it is weird that they could toss in that pile of shit along with it. adds to the dumpster fire. paul ryan denied it (fake news, as dangles would say), until WaPo told him they had the audio recording. I guess I don't like the idea of wapo trying to add to a dumpster fire rather than just giving us good shit. The comey memos were good shit. They didn't need to muddy their own water with stuff that people can argue is totally misleading. It gives Danglars full confidence to just plug his ears to the stuff that has been proved true. But because of this crap, people like Danglars don't even believe other stuff that has since been validated and totally true. Paul Ryan's spokeperson's response: when he first asked the offices of Ryan and McCarthy for comment, they denied that any such conversation had ever taken place. He then told them he had a transcript of the conversation, and they claimed it was fake. Only after they were told that Entous actually had a recording did they move to the position that it had all been a big joke. Yeah, I definitely believe them 100% about their "big joke." I would love to hear the audio, though, as that's the one way to clear this up for certain. So by denying the authenticity of the transcript, the WaPo was therefore justified in pretending it was anything other than a joke. This Russia stuff is just getting out of hand. Trump makes fool of himself, media asks America to hold their beers. The transcript is of a recording the post has. They have Ryan and McCarthy on tape. The people involved denied it until the post dropped the bomb that they had the tape. Then they admitted it was true. If it was all a joke, why not just admit it and provide context? Why deny it and then say the transcript is fake? Why hear fake news and then accuse others of lying as if it excuses the fact that they misreported the story with the intent of deceiving the reader? I'm sorry but I can't take your argument seriously at all. You keep saying fake news like that makes your argument. The Post has a recording, which is confirmed to be accurate by someone in the room at the time. They call Ryan and McCarthy, who both deny it until the Post informs them that they have a recording. They write that exact story. There is nothing fake about this. They are not misleading their readers. They have a tape of a discussion that in the current context is news worthy. The entire political team for NPR talked about the story on their podcast and agreed that in the current climate, the recording is bad optics for Ryan and GOP leadership. And that was news worthy because there could be more. If you don’t like it, that is your problem. They made it out to be a serious accusation and serious hush-up. If you can't see the joke and the misreporting, I'm done here. I hope today to tell at least two jokes having to do with "X must be in league with the Russians" (and I expect none of them to go home to their wives and wonder why Dang made that accusations). I'm sorry but most people don't see the joke. I don't either. A joke wouldn't involve making everyone swear to never talk about it, saying no leaks, and implying you are a family if no leaks one time. A joke wouldn't involve denying it ever happened up until presented with evidence that it did. A joke would actually be in some way funny.
You've never had a private conversation as a public figure. It's a common joke. You say something that out of context will make you sound/look bad and you swear people to secrecy, not seriously, just like "don't be an asshole and feed this quote out of context".
That said, we know Trump is profiting off of Russia (and several other questionable countries), it's the people who find profiting from the presidency problematic (when it's a Republican) vs the people who don't care (when it's a Republican).
Then a few of us that think it's wrong when either side does it, whether it's egregious like Trump, or more insidious like the Clintons.
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On May 19 2017 02:03 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 00:46 Gahlo wrote:On May 19 2017 00:40 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:37 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On May 19 2017 00:30 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:16 Doodsmack wrote:On May 18 2017 23:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don't understand why wapo even ran this crap about someone joking about putin paying trump. They have some truly compelling stuff going on otherwise and it is weird that they could toss in that pile of shit along with it. I think when McCarthy said swear to god he was probably stating a genuine belief. It's not clear that it was all a big jolly-gee joke. And Ryan did seem to be making sure that comment wouldn't get out. Evan McMullin was present and he agreed with the gist of the WaPo story. I'm beginning to understand why they still ran the story. Man present didn't get the joke, nothing is clear in transcript anymore, roll the tape. It's like WaPo is intent on only keeping its most committed followers. It possibly couldn't be that a media outlet ran a story because they had conclusive proof that an extremely important polititian lied? It's not Trump level which diminishes its impact though, but that's not a good thing. You mean a media outlet published fake news as a response to a lie. I don't know of any paper I'd consider reputable that retaliates for lies by publishing lies. But then the 2016 election has really messed up WaPo, among others. How is it fake? Read this and then read the write up. If the answer to your question isn't obvious, we're probably not going to see eye to eye on this.
I think its important to distinguish between fake, misleading and sensationalist. Fake news is pizza gate. Misleading and sensationalist is the Russia joke.
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On May 19 2017 01:56 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 01:53 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:45 Plansix wrote:On May 19 2017 00:37 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:31 Plansix wrote:On May 19 2017 00:25 Danglars wrote:On May 19 2017 00:22 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On May 19 2017 00:18 Mohdoo wrote:On May 19 2017 00:15 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 18 2017 23:56 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don't understand why wapo even ran this crap about someone joking about putin paying trump. They have some truly compelling stuff going on otherwise and it is weird that they could toss in that pile of shit along with it. adds to the dumpster fire. paul ryan denied it (fake news, as dangles would say), until WaPo told him they had the audio recording. I guess I don't like the idea of wapo trying to add to a dumpster fire rather than just giving us good shit. The comey memos were good shit. They didn't need to muddy their own water with stuff that people can argue is totally misleading. It gives Danglars full confidence to just plug his ears to the stuff that has been proved true. But because of this crap, people like Danglars don't even believe other stuff that has since been validated and totally true. Paul Ryan's spokeperson's response: when he first asked the offices of Ryan and McCarthy for comment, they denied that any such conversation had ever taken place. He then told them he had a transcript of the conversation, and they claimed it was fake. Only after they were told that Entous actually had a recording did they move to the position that it had all been a big joke. Yeah, I definitely believe them 100% about their "big joke." I would love to hear the audio, though, as that's the one way to clear this up for certain. So by denying the authenticity of the transcript, the WaPo was therefore justified in pretending it was anything other than a joke. This Russia stuff is just getting out of hand. Trump makes fool of himself, media asks America to hold their beers. The transcript is of a recording the post has. They have Ryan and McCarthy on tape. The people involved denied it until the post dropped the bomb that they had the tape. Then they admitted it was true. If it was all a joke, why not just admit it and provide context? Why deny it and then say the transcript is fake? Why hear fake news and then accuse others of lying as if it excuses the fact that they misreported the story with the intent of deceiving the reader? I'm sorry but I can't take your argument seriously at all. You keep saying fake news like that makes your argument. The Post has a recording, which is confirmed to be accurate by someone in the room at the time. They call Ryan and McCarthy, who both deny it until the Post informs them that they have a recording. They write that exact story. There is nothing fake about this. They are not misleading their readers. They have a tape of a discussion that in the current context is news worthy. The entire political team for NPR talked about the story on their podcast and agreed that in the current climate, the recording is bad optics for Ryan and GOP leadership. And that was news worthy because there could be more. If you don’t like it, that is your problem. They made it out to be a serious accusation and serious hush-up. If you can't see the joke and the misreporting, I'm done here. I hope today to tell at least two jokes having to do with "X must be in league with the Russians" (and I expect none of them to go home to their wives and wonder why Dang made that accusations). I'm sorry but most people don't see the joke. I don't either. A joke wouldn't involve making everyone swear to never talk about it, saying no leaks, and implying you are a family if no leaks one time. A joke wouldn't involve denying it ever happened up until presented with evidence that it did. A joke would actually be in some way funny. Making a joke about "X must be in league with the russians" is not in any way the same as asserting someone with ties to russia is taking money from them, who the happens to be under investigation for exactly that. What you said there is just a bad strawman.
I'm more in the line where if people laugh, that means they understood it as a joke. Only conspiracy theorists would say if the chairman of the Bilderberg Group laughed at controlling the world, it was a tacit admission and not a joke. Go ask ten of your friends to read the transcript and see if "most people don't see the joke." I refuse to believe everybody's this humorless because Russia.
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Flynn and Trump were still in contact as of April 27th according to yahoo. Trump told him to stay strongwww.yahoo.com
Edit : whether or not it is a joke should be easily apparent if we heard the audio. I'm inclined to say the more disturbing aspect was the initial denial of it rather than the joke.
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If it was a joke, why did they feel the need to deny it ever happened? Even if it was a joke, exposing the lies of an that an an important elected official is in the public interest. I don't understand why you would deny this.
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