EPTOn May 10 2017 18:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
All right, third option, a five minute conversation with a hack targeted by an investigation convinced him.
Should we laugh or cry at that point?
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Biff The Understudy
France7897 Posts
All right, third option, a five minute conversation with a hack targeted by an investigation convinced him. Should we laugh or cry at that point? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18042 Posts
Hanlon's razor says Trump having the temperament of a 6-yo is enough to explain this: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Not that I think that that is in any way better. In fact, I think I would far prefer an intelligent corrupt asshole to a vindictive manchild having control of the nuclear launch codes. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
James Comey is neither partisan nor incompetent, nobody is denying that. Where does the claim that he's lost "public trust" come from? Should it matter as long as he has congressional trust? Will the Trump appointee be more trustworthy? The reasonable is self contradictory and the timing is horrible, yet it seems that he's going to make a clean getaway. It's all so tiresome. Is there anything this man cannot do? Is there any hope that the Democrats will regain control of the house or the senate in the 2018 midterms? Only 8 republican senators are up for reelection, seems unrealistic to capture 3 of those seats while not losing a single one themselves, even in a wave election. How about the house? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
20 seats then leaned Democratic in the House. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 10 2017 20:25 prplhz wrote: Most republicans don't seem to mind this, Susan Collins and Lindsey Graham both out in support of Trump along with most of the GOP establishment. Richard Burr and John McCain, Jeff Flake, with some token scepticism but it doesn't seem like it's going to lead anywhere. I have little doubt that the Trump appointee will be confirmed by the senate with a party line vote. James Comey is neither partisan nor incompetent, nobody is denying that. Where does the claim that he's lost "public trust" come from? Should it matter as long as he has congressional trust? Will the Trump appointee be more trustworthy? The reasonable is self contradictory and the timing is horrible, yet it seems that he's going to make a clean getaway. It's all so tiresome. Is there anything this man cannot do? Is there any hope that the Democrats will regain control of the house or the senate in the 2018 midterms? Only 8 republican senators are up for reelection, seems unrealistic to capture 3 of those seats while not losing a single one themselves, even in a wave election. How about the house? Trump's appointee will have to have a stellar reputation. Anybody that looks like he/she will be pushed around or led won't be confirmed by the Senate. There's too much riding on this one. Did you read the Dep AG letter? You'll find no better argument laid out for his inability to lead his department and work with his justice department colleagues based entirely on his misbehavior. Public trust then is just a term of art. Both sides thought he mishandled the whole issue for different reasons. Until there was political hay to be made, Dems were calling for his dismissal. The best Dems can hope for is an independent investigation that carries through until 2018 midterms. If that happens, all bets are off. If someone was named tomorrow, it would take until September to be fully staffed and chugging on intel, so it's quite possible. Of course this is if Dems successfully persuade enough R's to gain the point. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
why is he still doing this dumb nickname thing Also retweeting a marvelous '10 scandals under Comeys watch' article. What a guy | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21761 Posts
On May 10 2017 21:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Trump found his phone and is going HAM on tweets again https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/862135824745467905 why is he still doing this dumb nickname thing Because his ego requires him to humiliate people to feel better about himself. My inner armchair psychologist thinks he has been bullied and name called a lot when he was a child. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 10 2017 21:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Trump found his phone and is going HAM on tweets again https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/862135824745467905 why is he still doing this dumb nickname thing Also retweeting a marvelous '10 scandals under Comeys watch' article. What a guy I don't think that one sticks do Shumer that well. The highlight was low-energy Jeb. Pocahontas plays pretty well too. The series on Blumenthal is also quizzical. Like, who cares about his political skeletons in this context. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
But no one thinks firing the guy who is investigating you at this time after he's spoken in public hearings is good either. The Deputy AG not once recommends the man be fired. Not once. He sites that he fucked up, but theres a certain practicality in understanding that the person under investigation can't be the one to pick a replacement. The actual AG had to recuse himself as well. None of this passes the smell test. If the reason was his Clinton investigation, they could have fired him months ago. Not a week after he speaks in public and a few days after Clapper and Yates confirm many details publically about Flynn, and the Trump administration re: Russia. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 10 2017 21:10 Danglars wrote: Trump's appointee will have to have a stellar reputation. Anybody that looks like he/she will be pushed around or led won't be confirmed by the Senate. There's too much riding on this one. Did you read the Dep AG letter? You'll find no better argument laid out for his inability to lead his department and work with his justice department colleagues based entirely on his misbehavior. Public trust then is just a term of art. Both sides thought he mishandled the whole issue for different reasons. Until there was political hay to be made, Dems were calling for his dismissal. The best Dems can hope for is an independent investigation that carries through until 2018 midterms. If that happens, all bets are off. If someone was named tomorrow, it would take until September to be fully staffed and chugging on intel, so it's quite possible. Of course this is if Dems successfully persuade enough R's to gain the point. The letter signed by Sessions, who praised many of those decision during the election. If these were problems, why now? Why in the middle of an investigation and why is there no replacement on tap? From all reports, no one knew this was coming, including congress. As one senator said, that letter doesn’t pass the smell test. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3188 Posts
On May 10 2017 22:05 ZeromuS wrote: Nobody thinks Comey didn't fuck up. But no one thinks firing the guy who is investigating you at this time after he's spoken in public hearings is good either. The Deputy AG not once recommends the man be fired. Not once. He sites that he fucked up, but theres a certain practicality in understanding that the person under investigation can't be the one to pick a replacement. The actual AG had to recuse himself as well. None of this passes the smell test. If the reason was his Clinton investigation, they could have fired him months ago. Not a week after he speaks in public and a few days after Clapper and Yates confirm many details publically about Flynn, and the Trump administration re: Russia. The part that strikes me as most disingenuous is saying that they're doing this to restore public trust in the FBI, when obviously this act will do more damage to public trust in the FBI than Comey ever did. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
What a joke of an administration. Every day I am thankful to be in Canada and not the US. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 10 2017 22:05 ZeromuS wrote: Nobody thinks Comey didn't fuck up. But no one thinks firing the guy who is investigating you at this time after he's spoken in public hearings is good either. The Deputy AG not once recommends the man be fired. Not once. He sites that he fucked up, but theres a certain practicality in understanding that the person under investigation can't be the one to pick a replacement. The actual AG had to recuse himself as well. None of this passes the smell test. If the reason was his Clinton investigation, they could have fired him months ago. Not a week after he speaks in public and a few days after Clapper and Yates confirm many details publically about Flynn, and the Trump administration re: Russia. We should reject the departure and return to the traditions. Although the President has the power to remove an FBI director, the decision should not be taken lightly. I agree with the nearly unanimous opinions of former Department officials. The way the Director handled the conclusion of the email investigation was wrong. As a result, the FBI is unlikely to regain public and congressional trust until it has a Director who understands the gravity of the mistakes and pledges never to repeat them. Having refused to admit his errors, the Director cannot be expected to implement the necessary corrective actions. You can split hairs if you want, but it's all there. The department can't be run in this shape. The justice department is impacted. You're basically writing off your justice department until the firing. There is no good decision. Wait until the Russia matter concludes and have the FBI and prosecutor's office at each other's throats, and who knows how many rank and file FBI agents unable to trust their boss, or fire him now, get the department working on rebuilding its reputation, and have media and political figures hounding you that it's all about Russia. And like I said, the Deputy AG wasn't even in his office until two weeks ago. There's no summary letter until this week, unless you want things rushed in under a two-week period. That's the only timeline that makes sense. He'll bear increased scrutiny on Russia for this. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On May 10 2017 22:16 Plansix wrote: The letter signed by Sessions, who praised many of those decision during the election. If these were problems, why now? Why in the middle of an investigation and why is there no replacement on tap? From all reports, no one knew this was coming, including congress. As one senator said, that letter doesn’t pass the smell test. Yeah there really is no explanation for not having a replacement if this was months of work to fire Comey for his old mishaps. Everything points to this being a very sudden and not well planned move and thus very suspect. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 10 2017 22:16 Plansix wrote: The letter signed by Sessions, who praised many of those decision during the election. If these were problems, why now? Why in the middle of an investigation and why is there no replacement on tap? From all reports, no one knew this was coming, including congress. As one senator said, that letter doesn’t pass the smell test. Because his boss once praised Comey? Hardly. The timeline of Dep AG fits. The letter is well-cited. Trump still hasn't filled his staff but we're expecting him to already be telling his replacement (right, like Plansix would actually think better if Trump already announced his successor rofl). And why the fuck you bringing up Congress, this is the justice department serving the President, not the CBO or something. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On May 10 2017 22:26 Danglars wrote: Because his boss once praised Comey? Hardly. The timeline of Dep AG fits. The letter is well-cited. Trump still hasn't filled his staff but we're expecting him to already be telling his replacement (right, like Plansix would actually think better if Trump already announced his successor rofl). And why the fuck you bringing up Congress, this is the justice department serving the President, not the CBO or something. I find it hard to believe that the Deputy AG has been missing since Trump took the oath of office to now, and that this decision was anything but last minute when literally NO ONE but Trump/Sessions and the Dep AG knew what was happening an hour before it happened. Trump sent his PRIVATE BODYGUARD to go deliver the letter to Comey while he was in the in the middle of a speech. And Congress people on both sides were informed less than 30 minutes before it happened and Comey was set to testify at another public hearing on Russia again TOMORROW and this happened the DAY AFTER a public hearing with Yates/ Clapper Stop deluding yourself. This is an attempt to slow down the Russian probe and it happens on the DAY Russian Minister Lavrov is visiting the white house. To the point at which the SoS and Russian minister were blindsided with the info by a reporter after they spoke to the press and made a statement about Mr. Lavrov's visit. Lavrov said "Wait, he's fired? you're kidding!" when he heard it from the press. Sean Spicer HID IN THE BUSHES to avoid press. Not even a joke but a literal truth. He hid in the bushes to avoid the press. This was not a well planned or reasoned decision. It was a blindside to everyone but the people who decided to get rid of the man. So no, this was not a situation where the white house was reasonable and waited for the Deputy AG to write a letter and make a solid recommendation then have it acted upon. Not in the least. You don't act this way if you actually want to have your FBI function at full capacity if the man has been on the chopping block for a while. He hasn't done anything in the last 24-48 hours which would justify such a snap dismissal. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 10 2017 22:26 Danglars wrote: Because his boss once praised Comey? Hardly. The timeline of Dep AG fits. The letter is well-cited. Trump still hasn't filled his staff but we're expecting him to already be telling his replacement (right, like Plansix would actually think better if Trump already announced his successor rofl). And why the fuck you bringing up Congress, this is the justice department serving the President, not the CBO or something. If you are willing to lap up the justification provided by the Justice Department, then I guess that is your choice. I had sort of hoped you would be a little more skeptical of a president firing the guy investigating him, no matter the reason provided. | ||
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brian
United States9622 Posts
just kidding though, because surely THIS TIME this administration can't get worse, right? this time i'll be right. | ||
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