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plasmidghost
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Plansix
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
On April 07 2017 07:54 plasmidghost wrote: It's seeming more and more likely that this will be the course of action, whether or not it's right or wrong doesn't really matter if it happens. So we take out Assad's air bases, then where do we go from there? SDF declaring war on Syrian regime with autonomy demands, Assad's only superior part was his air force. He won't be stopping the Kurds getting their own lands. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On April 07 2017 07:59 lastpuritan wrote: SDF declaring war on Syrian regime with autonomy demands, Assad's only superior part was his air force. He won't be stopping the Kurds getting their own lands. Damn, that's a solution I can get behind, hope the Kurds can pull off a victory if this is the solution. Only problem with that is, I have no idea if the US will support them since they've supported them and their enemies in the past. Seems like if the US does support the Kurds, relationships with Turkey will be greatly strained even further | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On April 07 2017 07:54 Sermokala wrote: Yeah but they probably have more experience with dealing with russian anti air technology. And how long have they been preparing for taking out all of syrias air bases? Clearly the best party to do the air strikes is Isreal. "Taking out Russian anti air technology" is the wrong way to go about this. Israel wouldn't be able to do much if Russia insisted on denying access. The US would, if it wanted to commit enough resources. But Russia has mostly enough troops there to lend air support and protect their own assets, not to fight a war. Shooting down Israeli planes would be quite a step up from what Russia is willing to do right now. In all honesty there's no good way to go into Syria right now. But there seems to be an attempt to create consensus for it which is kind of difficult to make sense of. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On April 07 2017 08:06 plasmidghost wrote: Damn, that's a solution I can get behind, hope the Kurds can pull off a victory if this is the solution. Only problem with that is, I have no idea if the US will support them since they've supported them and their enemies in the past. Seems like if the US does support the Kurds, relationships with Turkey will be greatly strained even further the US plan has been supporting kurds for a long awhile now;I'm sure the US will continue doing so; the push would most likely be for a kurdish autonomous zone in Syria, but not independence. what the US will do about turkish willingness to militarily engage the Kurds is unclear, but likely not much. | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
On April 07 2017 08:06 plasmidghost wrote: Damn, that's a solution I can get behind, hope the Kurds can pull off a victory if this is the solution. Only problem with that is, I have no idea if the US will support them since they've supported them and their enemies in the past. Seems like if the US does support the Kurds, relationships with Turkey will be greatly strained even further If the administration insists on an autonomous Kurdish region, either it should convince YPG to not to give PKK a huge maneuver area, or should consider/risk breaking the relations with Turkey completely. Because whenever Turkish military operated within northern Iraq, Barzani did not respond hostile to Turkish intervention, and demanded PKK to move its militants out, but it is hard to say the same for YPG. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 07 2017 07:46 a_flayer wrote: Meanwhile the media is busy manufacturing consent on behalf of military intervention. Liking the Chomsky reference  . | ||
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Doodsmack
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{CC}StealthBlue
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
BEIRUT (Reuters) - Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said there is no "option except victory" in the country's civil war in an interview published on Thursday, saying the government could not reach "results" with opposition groups that attended recent peace talks. The interview with Croatian newspaper Vecernji List appeared to have been conducted before U.S. President Donald Trump accused Assad of crossing "many, many lines" with a poison gas attack on Tuesday. Assad was not asked about the chemical attack in the northwestern Syrian town of Khan Sheikhoun, a text of the interview published by the Syrian state news agency SANA showed. The government has strongly denied any role. More than six years into the Syrian conflict, Assad appears militarily unassailable in the areas of western Syria where he has shored up his rule with decisive help from the Russian military and Iranian-backed militias from across the region. The interview published on Thursday underlined Assad's confidence as he reiterated his goal of dealing a total defeat to the insurgency. He also reiterated his rejection of federalism sought by Kurdish groups in northern Syria. Source Diplomacy, it appears, is failing. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13926 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On April 07 2017 08:26 Sermokala wrote: Russia isn't going to allow a Us friendly Islamic Kurdish state so close to the caucus mountains and its soft underbelly. Even beyond turkey which will want to stroll into it whenever it feels like the Us will always be able to send special forces backed irregulars into the Russian interior at will if it ever came to a war. That's one I've never really heard before. As far as I am aware the most important obstacle to any Kurdish state is Turkey. Russia doesn't really care one way or the other. Not that the Kurds should have a state for any particular reason, mind you. | ||
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Doodsmack
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On April 07 2017 09:00 LegalLord wrote: Two of a kind, she and Trump. If she actually tries to run in 2020 I'm going to assume 2016 was a conspiracy by the two of them to get either elected | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 07 2017 09:23 Nyxisto wrote: She is actually correct though somebody should take out Assad's air capabilities. Should have probably been Obama in 2013. At some point somebody needs to stop Assad massacring his population That would have required Congress to support him in something. They were already trying got get elected in 2014 and win in 2016. You can't have the black president taking on ruthless dictators and getting big wins. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
... Sounds like you do it once, and then there won't be any air attacks for the next couple of years. | ||
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