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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
April 07 2017 00:29 GMT
#145701
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
April 07 2017 00:33 GMT
#145702
On April 07 2017 09:26 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 09:23 Nyxisto wrote:
She is actually correct though somebody should take out Assad's air capabilities. Should have probably been Obama in 2013. At some point somebody needs to stop Assad massacring his population

That would have required Congress to support him in something. They were already trying got get elected in 2014 and win in 2016. You can't have the black president taking on ruthless dictators and getting big wins.

Don't you think that always characterizing the ineptitude of Congress under Obama as if it is a racial thing is kind of part of the problem with regards to polarization and so forth? I mean, they're certainly not looking like they're doing any better under Trump...
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 00:34:13
April 07 2017 00:33 GMT
#145703
On April 07 2017 09:29 mahrgell wrote:
"take out air capabilities" "should have been done in 2013"
...
Sounds like you do it once, and then there won't be any air attacks for the next couple of years.


Assad's position is shaky at best and Russia had not yet reinforced Syria to the degree it has now. There was a window of opportunity during that time that nobody used, instead everybody prolonged the proxy war through rebel support . Which did exactly nothing but create a never-ending stream of dead and refugees.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 00:37 GMT
#145704
On April 07 2017 09:33 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 09:26 Plansix wrote:
On April 07 2017 09:23 Nyxisto wrote:
She is actually correct though somebody should take out Assad's air capabilities. Should have probably been Obama in 2013. At some point somebody needs to stop Assad massacring his population

That would have required Congress to support him in something. They were already trying got get elected in 2014 and win in 2016. You can't have the black president taking on ruthless dictators and getting big wins.

Don't you think that always characterizing the ineptitude of Congress under Obama as if it is a racial thing is kind of part of the problem with regards to polarization and so forth? I mean, they're certainly not looking like they're doing any better under Trump...

I believe there is a statistically significant number of congress men and women that have issues with a black president. It is not the majority, but it is enough for me to mock. Congress sucks and has sucked for a long time now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
April 07 2017 00:39 GMT
#145705
On April 07 2017 09:33 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 09:29 mahrgell wrote:
"take out air capabilities" "should have been done in 2013"
...
Sounds like you do it once, and then there won't be any air attacks for the next couple of years.


Assad's position is shaky at best and Russia had not yet reinforced Syria to the degree it has now. There was a window of opportunity during that time that nobody used, instead everybody prolonged the proxy war through rebel support . Which did exactly nothing but create a never-ending stream of dead and refugees.


Well... then simply say you wanted Obama to overthrow Assad back then... But there is no magic "take out air force" move you do in a week and then there won't be any air force left.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 07 2017 00:41 GMT
#145706
Most of what actually matters in the Syrian air force right now is the helicopters though, rather than the fixed-wing aircraft. And those are not so airfield-dependent.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 07 2017 00:46 GMT
#145707
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/us/trump-russia-cia-john-brennan.html

"THE OFFICIALS SAID MR. BRENNAN ALSO INDICATED THAT UNNAMED ADVISERS TO MR. TRUMP MIGHT BE WORKING WITH THE RUSSIANS to interfere in the election. The F.B.I. and two congressional committees are now investigating that claim, focusing on possible communications and financial dealings between Russian affiliates and a handful of former advisers to Mr. Trump. So far, no proof of collusion has emerged PUBLICLY."

LOL. Drippity drip...
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 07 2017 00:52 GMT
#145708
What a day it's been. We seamlessly transition between crises like it were nothin'. We're becoming the EU all too quickly...
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 07 2017 01:14 GMT
#145709
Failing to repeal Obamacare with 2 months and maybe trying to depose Assad within 2.5

Yeah this is going exactly as Donald said it would...
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 07 2017 01:16 GMT
#145710
And here we go. 50 cruise missiles launched.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23766 Posts
April 07 2017 01:22 GMT
#145711
On April 07 2017 10:16 Ayaz2810 wrote:
And here we go. 50 cruise missiles launched.


So this means Russia wanted Syria to get blown the fuck up right, since he's their president?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 01:24 GMT
#145712
50 missiles is a number. If it does a lot of damage or has any lasting effect is another thing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 07 2017 01:25 GMT
#145713
On April 07 2017 10:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 10:16 Ayaz2810 wrote:
And here we go. 50 cruise missiles launched.


So this means Russia wanted Syria to get blown the fuck up right, since he's their president?

Russia just has to weigh whether or not the damage to the US's reputation is worth more than the client state in Syria.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 07 2017 01:26 GMT
#145714
so, did trump get congressional authorization?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 01:29 GMT
#145715
Unlikely. He went to the gang of 8 and told them. He can do what he wants for 72 hours. Congress isn't going to stop him.

Should he have gotten authorization? Of course. Obama asked for it. They didn't give it. But why ask for approval to attack another government when you can just launch some missiles that might do something.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45382 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 01:34:18
April 07 2017 01:33 GMT
#145716
Did he actually launch the missiles already? Source please?

Edit: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/donald-trump-syria-military/index.html
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 07 2017 01:36 GMT
#145717
Good job. Strong leader. We're gonna win again.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 01:36:58
April 07 2017 01:36 GMT
#145718
Russian ambassador warned of "negative consequences" if the US used military force in Syria. Great.

Number updated to 60 and they flew low over Russian radar and antiaircraft sites. So they were seen and reported instantly obviously.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 07 2017 01:41 GMT
#145719
Don't fuck with the USA
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 07 2017 01:41 GMT
#145720
On April 07 2017 09:52 LegalLord wrote:
What a day it's been. We seamlessly transition between crises like it were nothin'. We're becoming the EU all too quickly...


Pfft if only the government would have fallen by now.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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