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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 01:55:37
April 07 2017 01:54 GMT
#145741
During the immediate aftermath of Assad's recent gas attack, many commentators suggested that Trump would be forced to act in one way or another, so this isn't all that unexpected. So long as one remembers Trump must never been taken literally, things haven't been too surprising imo.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 07 2017 01:55 GMT
#145742
On April 07 2017 10:52 Nyxisto wrote:
Now does this mean that the US government wants Assad out or is this just a very bold warning signal? Did anybody see this coming today?

There was talk of this about 2 hours ago. It seemed feasible. Kind of, erm, decisive, though.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 01:57:08
April 07 2017 01:55 GMT
#145743
On April 07 2017 10:52 Nyxisto wrote:
Now does this mean that the US government wants Assad out or is this just a very bold warning signal? Did anybody see this coming today?

I knew he was going to do something once Assad gassed his own people. This is the exact level of response I expected, which is the minimum amount needed.

On April 07 2017 10:54 Ayaz2810 wrote:
I certainly didn't. Trump sent something like 70+ tweets to Obama telling him not to get involved in Syria. I didn't think for a second he would flip that quickly. It honestly makes him look worse than he already does. So easily swayed.

Heckler vs performer. Trump is slowly figuring out that he doesn't get to be the heckler any more.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 07 2017 01:57 GMT
#145744
On April 07 2017 10:55 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 10:52 Nyxisto wrote:
Now does this mean that the US government wants Assad out or is this just a very bold warning signal? Did anybody see this coming today?

I knew he was going to do something once Assad gassed his own people. This is the exact level of response I expected, which is the minimum amount needed.


I've seen conflicting reports of "we don't know if Russian soldiers were hit" and "Russia was warned. No soldiers wounded". I would love some clarification here.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 01:57:57
April 07 2017 01:57 GMT
#145745
Also Xi is in the US right? Was this coordinated earlier this day or did they just all collectively crap their pants? I really want to know to what degree everybody was informed of this.
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 07 2017 01:59 GMT
#145746
What does Xi have to do with it? I would imagine we did our thing, and then someone informed him.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23592 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 02:00:07
April 07 2017 01:59 GMT
#145747
On April 07 2017 10:57 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 10:55 Plansix wrote:
On April 07 2017 10:52 Nyxisto wrote:
Now does this mean that the US government wants Assad out or is this just a very bold warning signal? Did anybody see this coming today?

I knew he was going to do something once Assad gassed his own people. This is the exact level of response I expected, which is the minimum amount needed.


I've seen conflicting reports of "we don't know if Russian soldiers were hit" and "Russia was warned. No soldiers wounded". I would love some clarification here.


He can't have done anything to upset Russia, they put him there according to Hillary(who 100% supported this response), so how/why would he be intentionally upsetting them?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
April 07 2017 01:59 GMT
#145748
On April 07 2017 10:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Did he actually launch the missiles already? Source please?

Edit: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/donald-trump-syria-military/index.html


Trump was very affected by the images of dead children among the civilian casualties in the Syrian chemical weapons attack and felt compelled to act, a senior administration official said.


Someone should show him some pictures of children starving in Yemen and he might send some missiles into Saudi Arabia.

Maybe some pictures of North Korea will leak out, and he can send them some missiles as well.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 02:00 GMT
#145749
The White House and Pentagon are more than capable of hosting a foreign leader and conducting military buisness at the same time. They have been doing it for decades.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 07 2017 02:00 GMT
#145750
Trump won't be live it will be a taped response.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 07 2017 02:01 GMT
#145751
On April 07 2017 11:00 Plansix wrote:
The White House and Pentagon are more than capable of hosting a foreign leader and conducting military buisness at the same time. They have been doing it for decades.


Except they are in Florida with Xi.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 07 2017 02:02 GMT
#145752
On April 07 2017 10:59 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 10:57 Ayaz2810 wrote:
On April 07 2017 10:55 Plansix wrote:
On April 07 2017 10:52 Nyxisto wrote:
Now does this mean that the US government wants Assad out or is this just a very bold warning signal? Did anybody see this coming today?

I knew he was going to do something once Assad gassed his own people. This is the exact level of response I expected, which is the minimum amount needed.


I've seen conflicting reports of "we don't know if Russian soldiers were hit" and "Russia was warned. No soldiers wounded". I would love some clarification here.


He can't have done anything to upset Russia, they put him there according to Hillary, so how/why would he be intentionally upsetting them?


Well, if I was facing impeachment (let's not fool ourselves. There are now 4 investigations into this. It's pretty fuckin' concrete at this point. They're just trying to get the smoking gun), I would probably look to do something that at least gives the appearance that the story is false. And at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Putin would sacrifice a dozen or so of his people to help Trump. Not that I have any information suggesting this. Just saying.
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Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 07 2017 02:02 GMT
#145753
Holy fuck Trump's sound system sucks shit. Way to go USA. Embarassing.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 02:02 GMT
#145754
On April 07 2017 11:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 11:00 Plansix wrote:
The White House and Pentagon are more than capable of hosting a foreign leader and conducting military buisness at the same time. They have been doing it for decades.


Except they are in Florida with Xi.

I am pretty sure the staff is with him. The President travels over seas and has to handle military buisness while over there. Florida an't shit.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
April 07 2017 02:03 GMT
#145755
On April 07 2017 11:02 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Holy fuck Trump's sound system sucks shit. Way to go USA. Embarassing.

NASL sound guy is a Trump supporter, it is known.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 02:07:48
April 07 2017 02:04 GMT
#145756
Hell yeah, safe zone! Finally!



Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 07 2017 02:04 GMT
#145757
On April 07 2017 11:03 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 11:02 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Holy fuck Trump's sound system sucks shit. Way to go USA. Embarassing.

NASL sound guy is a Trump supporter, it is known.


God bless America [pause] and the entire world.

THE ELOQUENCE.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 02:11:23
April 07 2017 02:06 GMT
#145758
Well, I found what I think is the airbase on google maps. Note the MIG's parked out in the open.

Link to map

So there's 23 hangars(by my count), and I guess they blow up the runway and adjacent buildings with the rest?

Seems like a reasonable use of 50+ missiles I guess.

Porouscloud - NA LoL
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
April 07 2017 02:07 GMT
#145759
I mean on one hand it's nice that we are doing something instead of just sitting back, but lets be honest this is a problem that does not have a solution. The best case scenario out of this situation is if Assad cools off from the warnings. If he is replaced, we are going to have Iraq 2.0 and these "rebels" are going to cause complete chaos. It is a lose/lose situation, once that will drag the USA into another 10 plus year conflict. I'm hoping this was intended to simply send a message. No more chemical attacks.
Question.?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 02:08 GMT
#145760
Fuck you McCain you spineless shit. You're fucking party refused to vote for this shit last time around. Now you are praising Trump for not even asking
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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