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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 07 2017 02:09 GMT
#145761
John McCain hasn't met a war he doesn't like. Nothing new.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 07 2017 02:10 GMT
#145762
I'm shocked this escalated so quickly. I'm also torn. I want Assad out but can't help but feel Trump's ego will fuck things up. The question now is how do Syria\Russia\Iraq respond? This is certainly an act of war against Assad.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 07 2017 02:11 GMT
#145763
Probably with a revenge swipe at some time and place of inconvenience to the US.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 02:13:41
April 07 2017 02:12 GMT
#145764
Assad isn't going to do shit. He is going to sit there for a while until the heat comes off and then continue being terrible without chemical weapons. The EU isn't going to do shit. The US isn't doing to declare war. This is it. 60 kinda meh warheads that we can launch of a politically safe distance as an empty airfield.

Maybe Assad will break them out again in like 2 years when Trump is looking super weak, see if he can get the missile count up to 120.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 07 2017 02:13 GMT
#145765
To me this seems just like Obama's proposed "shot across the bow" in response to chemical weapons. It's just a (relatively) small scale response to the use of chemical weapons, as a warning that he can't do that again. But we will have to wait and see the follow-up I guess.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
April 07 2017 02:13 GMT
#145766
On April 07 2017 11:08 Plansix wrote:
Fuck you McCain you spineless shit. You're fucking party refused to vote for this shit last time around. Now you are praising Trump for not even asking

As a certain infamous person once said "In Vietnam, they didn't put him in a prison, but into a hole in the ground. That is where he spent many years, and as any man would have, that is where he left his mind."
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 02:15 GMT
#145767
On April 07 2017 11:13 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 11:08 Plansix wrote:
Fuck you McCain you spineless shit. You're fucking party refused to vote for this shit last time around. Now you are praising Trump for not even asking

As a certain infamous person once said "In Vietnam, they didn't put him in a prison, but into a hole in the ground. That is where he spent many years, and as any man would have, that is where he left his mind."

McCain used to have a back bone. Then he wanted to be President and he had it removed to gain party approval. He used to be a bridge builder, back when he could trick democrats into thinking he would help them later on.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 07 2017 02:16 GMT
#145768
Christ stuck watching MSNBC and of course Chris Matthews is speaking, the man who is too stupid to be on live TV when his program airs.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5029 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 02:18:40
April 07 2017 02:16 GMT
#145769
tbf, Obama used Congress' refusal as an excuse. Action was debated for days before the administration trotted that one out. It was a face saving maneuver, because the "red line" was an idiotic idea in the first place.

The degree of Trumpian hypocrisy will depend on how much more Trump does.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 07 2017 02:17 GMT
#145770
On April 07 2017 11:13 Doodsmack wrote:
To me this seems just like Obama's proposed "shot across the bow" in response to chemical weapons. It's just a (relatively) small scale response to the use of chemical weapons, as a warning that he can't do that again. But we will have to wait and see the follow-up I guess.

It's the kind of retaliation that leaves you thankful that it wasn't worse, but also leaves you wondering whether it was really a good idea to do that.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 07 2017 02:17 GMT
#145771
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 07 2017 02:17 GMT
#145772
On April 07 2017 11:16 Introvert wrote:
tbf, Obama's used Congress' refusal as an excuse. Action was debated for days before the administration trotted that one out. It was a face saving maneuver, because the "red line" was an idiotic idea in the first place.

The degree of Trumpian hypocrisy will depend on how much more Trump does.

Yeah, Obama was a coward. Not much to debate there.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
April 07 2017 02:18 GMT
#145773
So is this still the patriot act? No approval needed to go to war with a new country?
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a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
April 07 2017 02:18 GMT
#145774
On April 07 2017 11:10 On_Slaught wrote:
I'm shocked this escalated so quickly. I'm also torn. I want Assad out but can't help but feel Trump's ego will fuck things up. The question now is how do Syria\Russia\Iraq respond? This is certainly an act of war against Assad.

Israel has been bombing Syrian strongholds for ages. I wouldn't worry about it.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 02:21:49
April 07 2017 02:19 GMT
#145775



edit #1:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
April 07 2017 02:22 GMT
#145776
On April 07 2017 11:12 Plansix wrote:
Assad isn't going to do shit. He is going to sit there for a while until the heat comes off and then continue being terrible without chemical weapons. The EU isn't going to do shit. The US isn't doing to declare war. This is it. 60 kinda meh warheads that we can launch of a politically safe distance as an empty airfield.

Maybe Assad will break them out again in like 2 years when Trump is looking super weak, see if he can get the missile count up to 120.


How do you figure it was an empty airfield? Probably had Russian equipment there at minimum.

Regardless this exactly what Hillary wanted/wants and what Obama did put to Republicans in 2013, what happens next though is anyone's guess.

Putin is going to look like a little bitch to Trump if he does nothing though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 02:22 GMT
#145777
On April 07 2017 11:16 Introvert wrote:
tbf, Obama used Congress' refusal as an excuse. Action was debated for days before the administration trotted that one out. It was a face saving maneuver, because the "red line" was an idiotic idea in the first place.

The degree of Trumpian hypocrisy will depend on how much more Trump does.

Yeah, attacking other governments with no congressional authorization is totally a thing you should just do. Its cool and wouldn't end with the Republicans whining about abuse of executive power.

The House Republicans are a group of bitches and wouldn't even authorize a single airstrike. And now they are going to praise Trump for doing the thing they would have voted down in 2013.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 07 2017 02:23 GMT
#145778
Russia has their own airbase. The only sense in which it's Russian equipment is that it's old Soviet stuff from ages past that Syria now has.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 07 2017 02:24 GMT
#145779
There were Russians on the base but the portion where they were housed was not struck.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 02:25 GMT
#145780
On April 07 2017 11:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 11:12 Plansix wrote:
Assad isn't going to do shit. He is going to sit there for a while until the heat comes off and then continue being terrible without chemical weapons. The EU isn't going to do shit. The US isn't doing to declare war. This is it. 60 kinda meh warheads that we can launch of a politically safe distance as an empty airfield.

Maybe Assad will break them out again in like 2 years when Trump is looking super weak, see if he can get the missile count up to 120.


How do you figure it was an empty airfield? Probably had Russian equipment there at minimum.

Regardless this exactly what Hillary wanted/wants and what Obama did put to Republicans in 2013, what happens next though is anyone's guess.

Putin is going to look like a little bitch to Trump if he does nothing though.

I'm sure it had some equipment in it, but they had to know once they dropped the gas that the US might respond.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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