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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 01:42 GMT
#145721
On April 07 2017 10:41 Doodsmack wrote:
Don't fuck with the USA

Or we will fire low yield warheads that could maybe destroy a cement truck in your general direction. Like 60 of them and then call it a day.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23295 Posts
April 07 2017 01:43 GMT
#145722
On April 07 2017 10:36 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Russian ambassador warned of "negative consequences" if the US used military force in Syria. Great.

Number updated to 60 and they flew low over Russian radar and antiaircraft sites. So they were seen and reported instantly obviously.


There's this...



50 cruise missiles targeting air bases won't permenently knock them offline but they are going to suffer significant damage unless they all got jammed and missed completely/were duds.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 07 2017 01:43 GMT
#145723
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 01:44:07
April 07 2017 01:43 GMT
#145724
60 Tomahawk missiles
Good tomahawks or evil tomahawks?
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4825 Posts
April 07 2017 01:44 GMT
#145725
Being president has a way of changing someone's perspective, doesn't it?
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 01:45 GMT
#145726
Special reminder:



I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 07 2017 01:45 GMT
#145727
On April 07 2017 10:43 eviltomahawk wrote:
60 Tomahawk missiles
Good tomahawks or evil tomahawks?


Took me a second. Well played.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 07 2017 01:46 GMT
#145728
On April 07 2017 10:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 10:36 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Russian ambassador warned of "negative consequences" if the US used military force in Syria. Great.

Number updated to 60 and they flew low over Russian radar and antiaircraft sites. So they were seen and reported instantly obviously.


There's this...

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/850160552324333568

50 cruise missiles targeting air bases won't permenently knock them offline but they are going to suffer significant damage unless they all got jammed and missed completely/were duds.


I'm kind of high right now after a hard day so I'm dumb. Is the Russian airbase in the link the same one we hit? Or am I misunderstanding?
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 07 2017 01:46 GMT
#145729
On April 07 2017 10:45 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 10:43 eviltomahawk wrote:
60 Tomahawk missiles
Good tomahawks or evil tomahawks?


Took me a second. Well played.

I've waited 7 years to post this
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 01:47 GMT
#145730
On April 07 2017 10:46 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 10:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
On April 07 2017 10:36 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Russian ambassador warned of "negative consequences" if the US used military force in Syria. Great.

Number updated to 60 and they flew low over Russian radar and antiaircraft sites. So they were seen and reported instantly obviously.


There's this...

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/850160552324333568

50 cruise missiles targeting air bases won't permenently knock them offline but they are going to suffer significant damage unless they all got jammed and missed completely/were duds.


I'm kind of high right now after a hard day so I'm dumb. Is the Russian airbase in the link the same one we hit? Or am I misunderstanding?

Syria can't build an air-force. But it can totally be given one by Russia for a low low price over a decade or so.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Eridanus
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 01:51:04
April 07 2017 01:48 GMT
#145731
Well, that escalated quickly. So I wonder what happened in Trump's mind. He was on Assad's and Putin's side all this time, at least in rhetoric. And now suddenly he is doing more than Obama ever did.

I doubt Trump made a deal with Putin. The Russians must be pissed. So was Trump really suddenly swayed by pictures of dead children? There is this concept that Trump's opinion is the opinion of the last person he talked to. This seems likely in this case. I buy that reasoning a lot more than Trump being worried he is made to look like an actual Siberian Candidate, and needs to give a counter-example.

This sudden move and unpredictability is sure to have shaken up and scared some national leaders. The US superpower war machine being controlled by an unpredictable person is not a nice thing when you are a country that may one day find itself in the crosshair.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 07 2017 01:49 GMT
#145732
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 07 2017 01:50 GMT
#145733
On April 07 2017 10:46 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 10:45 Ayaz2810 wrote:
On April 07 2017 10:43 eviltomahawk wrote:
60 Tomahawk missiles
Good tomahawks or evil tomahawks?


Took me a second. Well played.

I've waited 7 years to post this


You've earned your moment of glory here then lol
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
April 07 2017 01:50 GMT
#145734
On April 07 2017 10:48 Eridanus wrote:
Well, that escalated quickly. So I wonder what happened in Trump's mind. He was on Assad's and Putin's side all this time, at least in rhetoric. And now suddenly he is doing more than Obama ever did.

I doubt Trump made a deal with Putin. The Russians must be pissed. So was Trump really suddenly swayed by pictures of dead children? There is this concept that Trump's opinion is the opinion of the last person he talked to. But this seems likely in this case. I buy that reasoning a lot more than Trump being worried he is made to look like an actual Siberian Candidate, and needs to give a counter-example.

This sudden move and unpredictability is sure to have shaken up and scared some national leaders. The US superpower war machine being controlled by an unpredictable person is not a nice thing when you are a country that may one day find itself in the crosshair.


The answer to your question is mattis
Question.?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 01:51 GMT
#145735
Get excited people. Trump has now seen the merit of NATO and the way he can prove himself as a strong leader.

America first into the breach.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 07 2017 01:51 GMT
#145736
On April 07 2017 10:50 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 10:48 Eridanus wrote:
Well, that escalated quickly. So I wonder what happened in Trump's mind. He was on Assad's and Putin's side all this time, at least in rhetoric. And now suddenly he is doing more than Obama ever did.

I doubt Trump made a deal with Putin. The Russians must be pissed. So was Trump really suddenly swayed by pictures of dead children? There is this concept that Trump's opinion is the opinion of the last person he talked to. But this seems likely in this case. I buy that reasoning a lot more than Trump being worried he is made to look like an actual Siberian Candidate, and needs to give a counter-example.

This sudden move and unpredictability is sure to have shaken up and scared some national leaders. The US superpower war machine being controlled by an unpredictable person is not a nice thing when you are a country that may one day find itself in the crosshair.


The answer to your question is mattis

Also avoiding the whole congressional approval thing by not asking.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 07 2017 01:52 GMT
#145737
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 01:52:45
April 07 2017 01:52 GMT
#145738
On April 07 2017 10:51 Plansix wrote:
Get excited people. Trump has now seen the merit of NATO and the way he can prove himself as a strong leader.

America first into the breach.


Well, if nothing else, a potential WWIII is a good distraction from Russia.... sort of.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
April 07 2017 01:52 GMT
#145739
Now does this mean that the US government wants Assad out or is this just a very bold warning signal? Did anybody see this coming today?
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 07 2017 01:54 GMT
#145740
I certainly didn't. Trump sent something like 70+ tweets to Obama telling him not to get involved in Syria. I didn't think for a second he would flip that quickly. It honestly makes him look worse than he already does. So easily swayed.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
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