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On March 31 2017 03:49 On_Slaught wrote:
So regarding Trump turning on the Freedom Caucus and threatening to run them out of office in 2018, I just felt that his most ardent fans would not like that move. So where else to check the pulse of the far right than Breitbart's comment section?
As expected, the reactions are not good. Almost universal condemnation with some going as far as saying he is showing his true colors as being sold out, or worse, a liberal. Not good Donald! Enemies growing on all sides! Expect his favorable ranking to drop to maybe under 30%.
Who is giving him this advice I wonder...
On March 11 2017 09:18 GreenHorizons wrote:I'm convinced Ryan pulled one on Trump with this. No idea how he got Trump to say he would support the bill but he did. I think establishment Republicans are making their move to undermine Trump's presidency now. Step 1. Drive a wedge between the tea party and Trump. Both of Trump's plans to push the bill or leave Obamacare in place and blame Democrats for problems are not what the tea party wants. Next they'll try to undermine his credibility, that's what the pushing from Republicans on the "tapped my wires" has been about and they will push on this "Flynn the foreign agent" thing and find more buttons to push. This is intended to push "seriously minded" Republicans further away.
And now they have Trump desperately trying to work with the moderate republicans (who set up the AHCA disaster in the first place).
Trump's an idiot being undermined by his own team and he doesn't even know it.
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A lot of them are also from super red states and heavily gerrymandered districts. They basically only need to worry about a primary challenge.
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It's always the cover up never the crime., Mr. Trump.
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On March 31 2017 03:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Nunes done fucked up.
In what context?
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So apparently the Republican party has turned into Thunderdome. not that I mind
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On March 31 2017 04:04 LegalLord wrote:In what context?
Read previous replies.
A witness revealed Thursday at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing that Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) had been targeted by Russian actors attempting to influence U.S. politics.
Clint Watts, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, told the committee in his opening statement that Russia has used propaganda and generated social media trolls to try to undermine the political process and American institutions.
He said that he believes Rubio, as a presidential candidate, was a victim of Russian propaganda aimed at influencing the U.S. presidential election.
"Russia's overt media outlets and covert trolls sought to sideline opponents on both sides of the political spectrum with adversarial views towards the Kremlin," Watts said. "They were in full swing during both the Republican and Democratic primary season, and may have helped sink the hopes of candidates more hostile to Russian interests long before the field narrowed. Senator Rubio, in my opinion, you anecdotally suffered through these efforts."
Rubio did not return to the subject when he questioned the expert witnesses later in the hearing. A spokesman for Rubio did not immediately return TPM's request for comment.
In a later hearing held by the Senate Intelligence Committee, Rubio acknowledged that the witness mentioned him while discussing Russia's attempts to influence the election, but he would not comment further.
"One of the people who appeared before us earlier mentioned the 2016 presidential primary, I'm not prepared to comment on that, hopefully information on that will be reflected in our report, if any," Rubio said.
Later in his opening statement, Watts added that Russian actors were still trying to influence American politics and recently targeted the House speaker.
"This past week, we observed social media accounts discrediting Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, hoping to further foment unrest inside U.S. democratic institutions," Watts said.
Source
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On March 31 2017 04:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2017 04:04 LegalLord wrote:On March 31 2017 03:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Nunes done fucked up. In what context? Read previous replies. Show nested quote +A witness revealed Thursday at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing that Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) had been targeted by Russian actors attempting to influence U.S. politics.
Clint Watts, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, told the committee in his opening statement that Russia has used propaganda and generated social media trolls to try to undermine the political process and American institutions.
He said that he believes Rubio, as a presidential candidate, was a victim of Russian propaganda aimed at influencing the U.S. presidential election.
"Russia's overt media outlets and covert trolls sought to sideline opponents on both sides of the political spectrum with adversarial views towards the Kremlin," Watts said. "They were in full swing during both the Republican and Democratic primary season, and may have helped sink the hopes of candidates more hostile to Russian interests long before the field narrowed. Senator Rubio, in my opinion, you anecdotally suffered through these efforts."
Rubio did not return to the subject when he questioned the expert witnesses later in the hearing. A spokesman for Rubio did not immediately return TPM's request for comment.
In a later hearing held by the Senate Intelligence Committee, Rubio acknowledged that the witness mentioned him while discussing Russia's attempts to influence the election, but he would not comment further.
"One of the people who appeared before us earlier mentioned the 2016 presidential primary, I'm not prepared to comment on that, hopefully information on that will be reflected in our report, if any," Rubio said.
Later in his opening statement, Watts added that Russian actors were still trying to influence American politics and recently targeted the House speaker.
"This past week, we observed social media accounts discrediting Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, hoping to further foment unrest inside U.S. democratic institutions," Watts said. Source
What a hilariously stupid article. So now we're going to blame the Russians for Rubio running a trash-ass campaign and Paul Ryan floating a donkey turd of a healthcare bill? Here's a hint. Trolling is kinda like comedy. It only works if there's an element of truth to work off of.
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Talking points memo is far from perfect. I do agree with their assessment that the Republicans would be deeply stupid to brush it all under the rug and move on. Because none of them are immune.
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On March 31 2017 04:15 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2017 04:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 31 2017 04:04 LegalLord wrote:On March 31 2017 03:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Nunes done fucked up. In what context? Read previous replies. A witness revealed Thursday at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing that Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) had been targeted by Russian actors attempting to influence U.S. politics.
Clint Watts, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, told the committee in his opening statement that Russia has used propaganda and generated social media trolls to try to undermine the political process and American institutions.
He said that he believes Rubio, as a presidential candidate, was a victim of Russian propaganda aimed at influencing the U.S. presidential election.
"Russia's overt media outlets and covert trolls sought to sideline opponents on both sides of the political spectrum with adversarial views towards the Kremlin," Watts said. "They were in full swing during both the Republican and Democratic primary season, and may have helped sink the hopes of candidates more hostile to Russian interests long before the field narrowed. Senator Rubio, in my opinion, you anecdotally suffered through these efforts."
Rubio did not return to the subject when he questioned the expert witnesses later in the hearing. A spokesman for Rubio did not immediately return TPM's request for comment.
In a later hearing held by the Senate Intelligence Committee, Rubio acknowledged that the witness mentioned him while discussing Russia's attempts to influence the election, but he would not comment further.
"One of the people who appeared before us earlier mentioned the 2016 presidential primary, I'm not prepared to comment on that, hopefully information on that will be reflected in our report, if any," Rubio said.
Later in his opening statement, Watts added that Russian actors were still trying to influence American politics and recently targeted the House speaker.
"This past week, we observed social media accounts discrediting Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, hoping to further foment unrest inside U.S. democratic institutions," Watts said. Source What a hilariously stupid article. So now we're going to blame the Russians for Rubio running a trash-ass campaign and Paul Ryan floating a donkey turd of a healthcare bill? Here's a hint. Trolling is kinda like comedy. It only works if there's an element of truth to work off of.
Just because Rubio would have lost anyway without the Russian help doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned that they tried to have an impact in the election. If trolling is the extent of their meddling then its not a huge deal, but you have to keep digging until you know for sure that this isn't just the tip of the iceberg.
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Do people think the protests in Russia have no American support? Or is the issue the particular methods they used to influence the election? Or that Trump didn't personally stop Russia's interference?
It's impossible to keep up with these conspiracy theories.
Of course Russia tried to influence American elections, like we did the French, Israel, etc... But the influence is just the sane cover for the crazy conspiracy that Trump is a Russian plant, no?
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because trump hasnt done anything to muck the economy up yet. once he tries getting a less-than-good budget or tax plan passed and it fails bigly, then people will be divested of the "he's a businessman he's gotta be good at the monies" hope. the stock market already started having that "oh shit" moment this/ last week.
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It's like Brexit or 2008. People tend to not worry until things go really wrong (not saying Brexit will or not but merely that consumer confidence is still high there). and I suppose there's still some hope of tax reform. People probably just see the stock market and think "eh". nobody's planning long term. Until things start actually affecting them most people won't worry.
so in my mind not a great indicator.
there's the famous quote from 1929 "stocks have hit what seems to be a permanently high plateau."
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because the economy is going well and has been doing so for a long while now (years).
and from a political/competence standpoint things are bad, and this is the US politics thread, so that's what you hear about.. there isn't a sign of much actually productive or good coming out of the president, and plenty of bad things coming out, that said doing enough damage to seriously derail an economy is difficult, and there's too much disagreement to do many of those things. (if you wanna say an economic failure wrought by government look up venezuela)
the president, and the government in general, tends to only have a mild effect on the economy, and they tend to be given blame/credit far beyond their actual influence, setting aside the fact that most people are terrible at actual attribution of blame anyways.
It's far easier to break stuff with bad policies than it is to improve them with good policies.
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The economy is slow to react and most of Trumps problems are based in DC. If they mismanage the ACA and people start losing coverage or stuff stops working, it will take a dive.
Also if they shut down the government. That will mess it up big time.
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On March 31 2017 04:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:+ Show Spoiler +https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/847533118781358080
Could be wrong but when I read that I read it to mean that Nunes +1 were both authorized to discuss classified information. Hence the 'its fine when two authorized people discuss it'. I didn't read it as 'two or three people who had access to classified info told him about it'.
Trying to say Spicer knows something from that is a bit of a stretch imo.
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On March 31 2017 05:05 Kickstart wrote:Could be wrong but when I read that I read it to mean that Nunes +1 were both authorized to discuss classified information. Hence the 'its fine when two authorized people discuss it'. I didn't read it as 'two or three people who had access to classified info told him about it'. Trying to say Spicer knows something from that is a bit of a stretch imo.
So the story is that WH officials leaked info to Nunez, so he could leak it back to the white house/Trump, and then leak it more publicly when he was asked about why he was there? And Spicer knowing that is significant.
I have a hard time thinking very many people outside of the beltway folks care at all about the details of this. Either Trump's a Russian plant and this was an important investigation or he's not and this has been a colossal waste of time and resources.
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I honestly feel that the attempt to saturate Trump with criticism - that which is deserved and that which is not - makes it harder to call him out when he does something genuinely wrong. That ISP bill should have died a miserable death by deadness. Instead it got buried because we just had so much other bullshit that no one gave a dang about it.
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