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On March 10 2017 16:19 KwarK wrote: IgnE, I know people who donate plasma weekly including an unemployed homeless vet who I helped rebuild his entire life. It's really not so bad. You can put vampiric in italics all you like but just because blood is involved doesn't mean vampires are involved. As for the alleged health problems, it's certainly better for your health than not having health insurance. If we return to our friend Chaffetz saying that people should make better decisions if they want health insurance, if it comes down to plasma or going uninsured, do the plasma.
As for learning a second language, I'm currently working on my Spanish on top of my multiple jobs and school. A few hours a week of Memrise and watching dubbed Futurama, it's not so bad. Literally the only skill you need to pick up a language is the wiring of the brain that happens the first time you pick up a language as an infant. Everybody has it. After that it's just exposing yourself to it. I live in a bilingual state, second language Spanish is a huge bonus, if you can't find a job in New Mexico and you're not trying to learn Spanish then you're not looking for a job.
I don't expect everyone to do as much as I do, but it baffles me that you expect so little of them. The world isn't out to fuck you, it's out to get something from you. You can complain about that as much as you like but until it changes you should look to see what it is the world wants that you can provide. You can't create the systems but you can control the choices you make within them.
I'm quite certain I could quote several posts of yours where you mention not being worried about your personal future partly due to being intelligent. And it's obvious that you are highly intelligent, much more so than the average person.
This gives you the significant benefit of learning at a much higher pace. Mastery of languages in particular is something that is highly correlated to intelligence. For you, maybe it's something that can be accomplished in a few hours a week, and it's something that gives you a sense of mastery and accomplishment - and as a pedagogue, I can tell you that the feeling of mastery and accomplishment is, for most people, absolutely crucial in motivating further hard work.
You asked earlier about structural problems that make people incapable of exerting comparable degrees of control over their life direction. I'd argue that most people are to a large degree shaped by early years of their education. Teachers identify the smart, talented students early on, smart and talented students self-identify as smart and talented early on, the other students identify smart and talented students early on. And people who find themselves in the bottom half of the intelligence and talent pool will normally identify as being part of the bottom half of the intelligence and talent pool, or at least, they won't identify as part of the top quarter. Unlike you, they learn that learning is difficult, they learn that they only learn at half the pace as the smarter students, they learn that they aren't expected to do great things with their lives. For you, with your obvious talents, you learned that the world is out to get something from you, and that you can contribute meaningfully, that your efforts will be appreciated. For the 93 iq girl who tried her very best but still ended up with a C-, she learns that even if she tries her very best, she's still gonna fall short. I remember teaching at a school where they had separated the students based on ability, and upon asking the worse half a not-that-simple question, I got a response 'man, we're the retard class, we don't know this shit'.
I liked that kid a lot and I hope he goes on to do good things with his life, but he's not gonna spend his spare time learning spanish, or french, or german. He's already learned that he's not good at learning, and sadly, it's not even that incorrect. He wasn't very good at learning. At best, he's gonna hold on to a job, work out, get a girlfriend, watch tv or play computer games, and be content with his life. In Norway, I think that's a highly possible outcome, because even if you're just working in a warehouse or whatever, you can still make $80k per year, if you work some overtime. Still only a 40~ hour week though. (That said, these jobs are disappearing, I really can't speculate on how many of these types of jobs are still gonna be around 30 years from now.) But in the US? I wouldn't have high hopes.
The smart, lazy people, that's a pretty small fragment of society, even if they might stand out to you. The people who learn from a young age that they must be content with mediocrity, even if this is never explicitly stated to them, that's a significant group. And if looking at poor people as a whole, it's not a group dominated by the smart and lazy.
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Notice the Democrats that attacks Sanders have yet to do anything post election to address issues. Meaning the Democratic old guard need to be ousted i.e. Schumer, Pelosi and so on.
When Donald Trump delivered his first address to Congress 10 days ago, sticking dutifully, for once, to the teleprompter, the media praised him for sounding statesmanlike and presidential. But one person, sitting in a front row seat just a few feet away, thought differently.
Bernie Sanders was growing more aghast with every sentence. Then, when Trump began to talk about the environment, the 75-year-old independent senator from Vermont nearly laughed out loud. Earlier that day, the president signed an executive order that gutted federal controls against the pollution of rivers and waterways. Now he was standing before US legislators pledging to “promote clean air and clear water”.
“The hypocrisy was beyond belief!” says Sanders, still scarcely able to contain himself. “To talk about protecting clean air and water on the same day that you issue an order that will increase pollution of air and water!”
Sanders’ Senate office in DC has an untouched quality, as though the rocket launcher that propelled him last year from relative obscurity to credible contender for the White House has left no trace. The office walls display quaint photographs of his home state – a field of cows labeled Spring in Vermont – and there’s a bookshelf stacked with distinctly Bernie-esque titles such as Never Give In and The Induced Ignorance of Power.
Sanders sweeps into the room wearing a casual sweater. His white hair is tussled, and he has the distracted look of someone dragged away from concentrated study. But when we start talking, he is immediately transfixing. In a flash, it is clear why so many have felt the Bern: because he feels it so intensely himself.
“These are very scary times for the people of the United States, and … for the whole world. We have a president who is a pathological liar. Trump lies all of the time.” And Sanders believes the lying is not accidental: “He lies in order to undermine the foundations of American democracy.” Take his “wild attacks against the media, that virtually everything the mainstream media says is a lie.” Or Trump’s denigration of one of George W Bush’s judicial appointees as a “so-called judge”, and his false claims that up to 5 million people voted illegally in the election. Such statements, which Sanders calls “delusional”, are meant to lead to only one conclusion, he says: “that the only person in America who stands for the American people, who is telling the truth, the only person who gets it right, is the president of the United States, Donald Trump. That is unprecedented in American history.”
He travels even deeper into dystopian territory when I ask what, in his view, Trump’s endgame might be. “What he wants is to end up as leader of a nation that has moved a significant degree towards authoritarianism; where the president of the United States has extraordinary powers, far more than our constitution has provided for.”
Sanders is well into his stride by now, conducting the interview with great waves of his arms, punching out words in that distinctive Brooklyn-Vermont growl. It’s impossible not to be drawn in by a man who comes across as this authentic.
Sanders occupies an exalted pedestal in those politics today. In 2016 he won 23 primary and caucus races to Clinton’s 34, notching up 13 million votes. Given the odds stacked against him – Clinton’s establishment firepower; the skewed weighting of the “superdelegates” that tipped the primaries in her direction by reserving 15% of the votes for the party establishment; and the cynical efforts of the party machine through the Democratic national convention to undermine Sanders’ campaign by casting aspersions on his leadership abilities and religious beliefs, as revealed in the Russian-hacked WikiLeaks emails – that was no mean achievement.
If he had won the nomination, would he have beaten Trump? I feel a blowback to the question even as I pose it. Sanders’ body language expresses displeasure as crushingly as any verbal putdown: his face crumples, his shoulders hunch, and he looks as though someone is jabbing him with needles. “I don’t think it’s a worthwhile speculation,” he says. “The answer is: who knows? Possibly yes, possibly no.”
Moving swiftly on. Did he anticipate the result on election night, or was he as shocked as many others when Trump began to sweep rust belt states such as Michigan and Wisconsin – states, incidentally, in which Sanders also defeated Clinton in the primary/caucus stage? “I wasn’t expecting it, but it wasn’t a shock. When I went to bed the night before, I thought it was two-to-one, three-to-one that Clinton would win, but it wasn’t like, ‘Oh, there’s no chance Trump could do it’. That was never my belief.”
Sanders’ sanguine response was rooted in his familiar critique of modern capitalism – that it has left the US, alongside the UK and other major democracies, vulnerable to rightwing assault. This is how he connects Trump with Brexit, and in turn with the jitters gripping continental Europe ahead of elections in France and Germany – common manifestations all, he believes, of the ravages of globalization.
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I'm going to continue to hope that Perez does his part in helping the party move away from Pelosi-style Democratic politics and I'll judge his chairmanship accordingly.
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I think people are really overstating how difficult it is to pick up another language if your life depended on it. Millions of Hispanics do it when they come to America. My parents did it when they came to America, and my dad was definitely not the smartest of the bunch. Why should Americans who generally come from upbringings of a higher standard than many of these other countries have a free pass because it's too hard, especially in a language like Spanish where there is no shortage of opportunities to be immersed in it and has many cognates.
You don't even need to be completely fluent to get the benefits of it.To be considered proficient in a second language and be able to benefit from it from a job availability perspective is such a low bar, it would be downright embarrassing to admit that it is impossible for you individually.
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That I do actually agree with, even if my own previous post might also have overstated the difficulty. Learning the basics of another language is something a large majority of people can accomplish rather easily through immersing themselves in it- Norwegians below average intelligence still know decent enough English, simply because we're all surrounded by English media all the time. But people who have grown up thinking they are bad learners still perceive it as a mountain to climb, even if it's actually just a hilly walk.
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Please consider that it's a huge difference between learning a language in a foreign country, where it is actually spoken and you are subjected to in everyday life and doing so at home or in a course.
Humongous rather.
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On March 10 2017 23:01 chocorush wrote: I think people are really overstating how difficult it is to pick up another language if your life depended on it. Millions of Hispanics do it when they come to America. My parents did it when they came to America, and my dad was definitely not the smartest of the bunch. Why should Americans who generally come from upbringings of a higher standard than many of these other countries have a free pass because it's too hard, especially in a language like Spanish where there is no shortage of opportunities to be immersed in it and has many cognates.
You don't even need to be completely fluent to get the benefits of it.To be considered proficient in a second language and be able to benefit from it from a job availability perspective is such a low bar, it would be downright embarrassing to admit that it is impossible for you individually. In keeping with Artisreal's point, adjudging the relative difficulty of learning a second language is an awful lot like doing the same relative to competently fixing a car, baking a delicious souffle, or, to put my legal tinge on things, drafting a successful motion for summary judgment. How people become "good" or even "competent" at such things draws on so many variables that it's important to discount any sort of accompanying extrapolation unless one confines it to circumstances narrow enough to potentially render the entire operation futile. Give me an American man willing to go hungry and desperate enough to learn Spanish like an illegal immigrant learns English and I'll show you how easy it is to learn Spanish as an American
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Hill conservatives were just handed the opening they’ve been waiting for: An invitation from President Donald Trump to “negotiate” on an Obamacare replacement.
There’s just one big problem: They’re all over the place on what they want.
The discord on the far-right is becoming a real problem for Republicans. Allies of GOP leadership say Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and his team can’t assemble a bill that can pass the House if conservatives keep moving the goal posts on what exactly it will take to secure their votes.
In the end, they might end up getting nothing at all because of the disunity, some GOP lawmakers speculated. And several even believe conservatives will vote for the bill despite their complaints and demands for change this week.
“You only get something if you coalesce around it and pledge your vote if you get it,” said one senior Republican lawmaker close with leadership. What’s happening now, the source continued, is “why they are so unsuccessful.”
Talks of amending Speaker Paul Ryan’s (R-Wis.) Obamacare replacement come as Trump told conservative groups Wednesday night that he might be open to changes. On Thursday, Trump met with House Freedom Caucus chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) and vice chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), and Vice President Mike Pence has been in touch with Republican Study Committee leader Mark Walker (R-N.C.)
On Capitol Hill, discussions between conservatives and leaders about what might be changed are ongoing — but it's far from clear where those early negotiations will end up.
That's because conservatives appear to want different things. On Wednesday night, Rep. Walker told reporters that he could get to 'yes' on the bill if leadership accepted two changes: One that would phase-out the current Medicaid expansion this year or the next instead of on Dec. 31, 2019; and another that would alter the structure of health care tax credits created in the bill.
The next morning, the RSC group as a whole asked for another change: the addition of work requirements for non-disabled adults receiving Medicaid. The press release announcing the request also mentioned the group's support for phasing out the Medicaid expansion sooner, but gone was the mention of tax credits, which are still a big issue for the Freedom Caucus.
“We’re a ‘yes’ if we get both of them and we are ‘lean-yes’ if we get one of them,” Walker told reporters Thursday afternoon of the Medicaid changes. “We’ve got to remember that these programs should be measured by how many people we’re transferring off — not how many people we’re transferring on.”
Members of the arch-conservative Freedom Caucus, however, said those changes don’t go far enough to win the group’s backing.
“Different members have different concerns, so I think it will be something that appeases some but not others,” said HFC member Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.).
Rep. Morgan Griffith (R-Va.), another Freedom Caucus member who authored the work-requirement amendment the RSC is backing, agreed that his amendment alone wouldn’t be enough to win over the caucus.
“I think it’s a lump of sugar for a three-lump coffee drinker,” he said. “I don’t know if it’s going to be two, three, four or one member” who votes for the bill because of his amendment, he added.
GOP leadership is in a tricky spot. Each time they offer a concession to the right, they lose some moderate Republicans in the center. They can only afford to lose 21 Republican votes and still pass the bill — given that no Democrats will support it — so each proposed change must answer one question: Does it help or hurt the count?
Meanwhile, some conservatives still aren't sure what they need to get to yes. Outside the chamber Thursday afternoon, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), the newest Freedom Caucus member, complained that the House replacement includes a backdoor version of Obamacare’s despised mandate to obtain insurance: a 30 percent premium surcharge for people who go without health insurance for two months.
“I don’t want another mandate, and there is a 30 percent penalty!” he railed.
Asked if a change to that particular measure would mean he’d vote for the bill, he balked: “No, because there are a number of things that just aren’t appropriate.”
Meeting with Trump Thursday afternoon, HFC leaders Meadows and Jordan floated another potential compromise: blowing up Senate rules. The conservatives argued that GOP leadership was being too cautious when it comes to rules governing the Senate’s fast-tracking procedure. So-called reconciliation, which allows the Senate to pass bills by simple majority instead of the typical 60-vote threshold, is only allowed for provisions that produce significant cost savings.
But Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) could get around that, they told Trump, allowing leadership to load up the bill with provisions that might not score as big savers but Republicans believe grow the economy. The Senate could vote by simple majority to bypass the chamber's parliamentarian ruling against a provision deemed to have no change on spending, they noted.
Many senators have long argued against such a strategy, warning it would blow up the very foundation of their chamber, which the founders intended to be a slower, more deliberative body.
“I think everyone’s got a list of things they’d like to see in this bill,” said HFC member Warren Davidson (R-Ohio) when exiting a caucus meeting Wednesday night.
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On March 10 2017 23:11 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 23:01 chocorush wrote: I think people are really overstating how difficult it is to pick up another language if your life depended on it. Millions of Hispanics do it when they come to America. My parents did it when they came to America, and my dad was definitely not the smartest of the bunch. Why should Americans who generally come from upbringings of a higher standard than many of these other countries have a free pass because it's too hard, especially in a language like Spanish where there is no shortage of opportunities to be immersed in it and has many cognates.
You don't even need to be completely fluent to get the benefits of it.To be considered proficient in a second language and be able to benefit from it from a job availability perspective is such a low bar, it would be downright embarrassing to admit that it is impossible for you individually. In keeping with Artisreal's point, adjudging the relative difficulty of learning a second language is an awful lot like doing the same relative to competently fixing a car, baking a delicious souffle, or, to put my legal tinge on things, drafting a successful motion for summary judgment. How people become "good" or even "competent" at such things draws on so many variables that it's important to discount any sort of accompanying extrapolation unless one confines it to circumstances narrow enough to potentially render the entire operation futile. Give me an American man willing to go hungry and desperate enough to learn Spanish like an illegal immigrant learns English and I'll show you how easy it is to learn Spanish as an American 
This seems to me more like an issue of revealed preferences than an issue of it being easier to learn English as an illegal immigrant. That people are comfortable enough that they don't see learning another language as more beneficial than spending their time on leisure is just another example of people making the choice not to improve themselves because the perceived incentives just aren't high enough for them.
Not having to go hungry is a large advantage in itself, such a big advantage that people choose not to study more. Learning languages is more of a matter of investing time, and an immigrant spending 9-12 hours a day on the job just happens to be spending more time on learning than a person who spends no time, or a couple hours a week. I'm not really convinced that a person who earnestly studies for 3 or 4 hours a day every day would really fall that much behind because he can focus on learning the language in a more efficient matter (actually studying grammar and vocabulary in a structured way).
And it's Spanish we're talking about, not some language like Korean or Romanian. It's one of the most documented foreign languages with countless resources in English. Even in white-washed Wisconsin, there are so many places you can pick up Spanish here if you're brave enough to just say hola or gracias instead of doing business as usual.
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Having good money management skills helps a lot. Some people are just terrible at managing their money. part of it is training (the eduction system should do more on financial literacy imho), part of it is temperament which can't really be fixed well. for me, it's easy to save, because I'm naturally content and cheap and don't like going out.
there was an interesting article I read awhile ago in Harvard magazine about how the stress of being poor/difficult financial situation also made people worse at long-term planning and making good decisions, or something like that. it was a great and interesting read.
ah, found it: http://harvardmagazine.com/2015/05/the-science-of-scarcity
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On March 10 2017 23:36 chocorush wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 23:11 farvacola wrote:On March 10 2017 23:01 chocorush wrote: I think people are really overstating how difficult it is to pick up another language if your life depended on it. Millions of Hispanics do it when they come to America. My parents did it when they came to America, and my dad was definitely not the smartest of the bunch. Why should Americans who generally come from upbringings of a higher standard than many of these other countries have a free pass because it's too hard, especially in a language like Spanish where there is no shortage of opportunities to be immersed in it and has many cognates.
You don't even need to be completely fluent to get the benefits of it.To be considered proficient in a second language and be able to benefit from it from a job availability perspective is such a low bar, it would be downright embarrassing to admit that it is impossible for you individually. In keeping with Artisreal's point, adjudging the relative difficulty of learning a second language is an awful lot like doing the same relative to competently fixing a car, baking a delicious souffle, or, to put my legal tinge on things, drafting a successful motion for summary judgment. How people become "good" or even "competent" at such things draws on so many variables that it's important to discount any sort of accompanying extrapolation unless one confines it to circumstances narrow enough to potentially render the entire operation futile. Give me an American man willing to go hungry and desperate enough to learn Spanish like an illegal immigrant learns English and I'll show you how easy it is to learn Spanish as an American  This seems to me more like an issue of revealed preferences than an issue of it being easier to learn English as an illegal immigrant. That people are comfortable enough that they don't see learning another language as more beneficial than spending their time on leisure is just another example of people making the choice not to improve themselves because the perceived incentives just aren't high enough for them. Not having to go hungry is a large advantage in itself, such a big advantage that people choose not to study more. Learning languages is more of a matter of investing time, and an immigrant spending 9-12 hours a day on the job just happens to be spending more time on learning than a person who spends no time, or a couple hours a week. I'm not really convinced that a person who earnestly studies for 3 or 4 hours a day every day would really fall that much behind because he can focus on learning the language in a more efficient matter (actually studying grammar and vocabulary in a structured way). And it's Spanish we're talking about, not some language like Korean or Romanian. It's one of the most documented foreign languages with countless resources in English. Even in white-washed Wisconsin, there are so many places you can pick up Spanish here if you're brave enough to just say hola or gracias instead of doing business as usual. Again, you're approaching the task of learning language in a far too artificial sense to make it worth much outside the context of hypotheticals. For example, the role of "earnest study" in learning something looks quite different across different cultures, professions, and attitudes towards work, which is why the poorly educated can oftentimes end up learning languages at a pace far faster than their more comfortable, better educated brethren. Learning through doing is of course its own sort of study, but the point here is that programmatic education and stilted language couched in incentive logic misses the point that illegal immigrants being good at learning a language doesn't easily translate into a generalizable "how-to" guide.
This is not to say that we couldn't improve our foreign language education through better incentives, because I'm always on board with more learning
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The long-awaited GOP health care bill finally unveiled this week strikes an immediate blow to Medicare funding, accelerating a solvency crisis that health policy experts say could open the door to even more devastating cuts down the road.
By repealing a payroll tax on high earners that provided a critical additional revenue stream for the Medicare trust fund, the GOP's proposed American Health Care Act would speed up the fund’s exhaustion by as many as three to four years, according to estimates from health care policy experts.
“It’s clear, simple and undeniable that this bill would aversely affect the solvency of Medicare,” Paul Van De Water, a Medicare expert at the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities told TPM.
Critics say this provision is a prime example of the GOP bill granting tax breaks to the wealthy at the expense of the country’s neediest citizens, and that it paves the way for Medicare privatization. One former Obama administration official argued that by endangering the program’s funding, so-called “entitlement hawks” like House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) will have cover to argue that Medicare as we know it is financially unsustainable—then realize their long-held dream of turning it into a voucher program.
Andy Slavitt, acting administrator for the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services during the last two years of the Obama administration, has been ringing this bell loudly since the AHCA was made public Monday night.
“I think it’s a smarter play for them to move Medicare closer to a crisis, try to get this bill done, and then build a case about why this crisis needs to be addressed,” he told TPM in a Thursday phone interview.
Ryan's office and the Energy and Commerce Committee referred questions to the Ways and Means Committee.
A spokesperson at Ways and Means did not immediately respond Thursday to TPM's request for comment.
Shoring up Medicare solvency was a key focus of the Affordable Care Act, and experts including Paul Ginsburg, director of the Brookings Institution's Center for Health Policy, told TPM that those efforts were an unqualified success. Before Obamacare's enactment, the Medicare trust fund, which is used to reimburse hospitals for treatment provided to seniors, was expected not to have enough funds to fully cover benefits beginning around 2016. The ACA’s 0.9 percent tax on individuals earning more than $200,000 (or more than $250,000 for those filing jointly), as well as reduced payments to hospitals and private insurers under Medicaid Advantage, are credited with significantly extending the solvency deadline. In the ensuing years the insolvency deadline was pushed back as late as 2030, due to a variety of factors, and by 2016 it had settled in at 2028, according to the most recent Medicare trustee report.
The AHCA repeals that 0.9 percent tax, resulting in a predicted loss of $117 billion in revenue over the next 10 years and accelerating when the Medicare trust fund would not be able to pay out full benefits. A Brookings Institution report from December that assessed the repeal of the payroll tax concluded that Medicare would begin falling short of funds at the end of 2024, nearly four years sooner than if the tax remained in place. The Brookings report was based on the Medicare trustee's expected insolvency date.
A separate January analysis from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget also found the repeal of the Obamacare payroll tax would accelerate Medicare insolvency. That CRFB report was based on a CBO estimated date for Medicare insolvency that is different from the Medicare trustee's projection.
The hit to Medicare has been buried among coverage of the bill’s effect on Medicaid, which bears the brunt of spending cuts, but some senior groups and Democratic lawmakers have drawn attention to it.
In a Wednesday letter to House GOP leaders, AARP senior vice president for governmental affairs Joyce Rogers voiced “serious concerns” about the payroll tax repeal, cautioning that it could “diminish Medicare’s ability to pay for services in the future.”
Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), ranking member on the Senate Finance Committee, released a letter he received from Slavitt highlighting the accelerated insolvency deadline, and accused President Donald Trump of violating his pledge to protect Medicare benefits.
“This bill breaks a clear Trump promise not to harm Medicare,” Wyden said in a statement. “In addition to the bill’s many other harmful provisions, it gives a tax break to the wealthy and steals directly from Medicare’s coffers. Raiding Medicare like this will create an unnecessary crisis that threatens the health care of tens of millions of seniors who count on the program."
The tax repeal also compounds a looming demographic crisis posed by the millions of baby boomers approaching retirement age. Those Americans aged 55-64 who are not yet Medicare eligible were already expected to put a huge strain on health care costs as they aged.
Geoffrey Joyce, director of health policy at the University of Southern California’s Schaeffer Center, told TPM that addressing this demographic issue will require either raising taxes and dramatically increasing efficiency in care, or having the government “play a smaller and smaller role in Medicare and providing health care for the elderly and the poor.”
“None of those are particularly attractive scenarios,” Joyce added.
Given that this age group makes up a significant portion of the GOP base, as well as the spiraling effect the tax cut could have, opponents of the AHCA say Medicare’s fiscal sustainability should be central to public criticism.
“I think it needs to be a focus,” Slavitt said. “This is a big issue for Medicare beneficiaries and particularly anyone who is not a Medicare beneficiary today but plans to be one sometime in the future.”
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On March 10 2017 23:11 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2017 23:01 chocorush wrote: I think people are really overstating how difficult it is to pick up another language if your life depended on it. Millions of Hispanics do it when they come to America. My parents did it when they came to America, and my dad was definitely not the smartest of the bunch. Why should Americans who generally come from upbringings of a higher standard than many of these other countries have a free pass because it's too hard, especially in a language like Spanish where there is no shortage of opportunities to be immersed in it and has many cognates.
You don't even need to be completely fluent to get the benefits of it.To be considered proficient in a second language and be able to benefit from it from a job availability perspective is such a low bar, it would be downright embarrassing to admit that it is impossible for you individually. In keeping with Artisreal's point, adjudging the relative difficulty of learning a second language is an awful lot like doing the same relative to competently fixing a car, baking a delicious souffle, or, to put my legal tinge on things, drafting a successful motion for summary judgment. How people become "good" or even "competent" at such things draws on so many variables that it's important to discount any sort of accompanying extrapolation unless one confines it to circumstances narrow enough to potentially render the entire operation futile. Give me an American man willing to go hungry and desperate enough to learn Spanish like an illegal immigrant learns English and I'll show you how easy it is to learn Spanish as an American 
motivation is a wonderful thing. the problem is most people fundamentally aren't really that motivated - if things are mostly okay or okayish that's good enough. not-quite-apathy transcends intelligence/education and social classes.
like if im at the gym i might be too lazy to do one more set of whatever and say screw it, i'm going home. but if im trapped under a piece of rubble with similar mass, you bet i'll lift it.
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Laziness is a great reason why somebody should be deprived of luxuries like a generously spacious house or third car.
It's really not a reason to deprive somebody of food or medicine or shelter or their innate human dignity. If you were an asshole that went your whole life not investing in retirement for no other reason than because you wanted to spend that money immediately and for society to pick up the tab when you got old, then yeah, you deserve to have only a basic sustenance after you can't work anymore.
But I don't think it would ever be alright to say that it's OK to throw that guy on the street when he's in his 70s because its his own damn fault for being a parasite. You don't lose your human rights or dignity for any reason.
And besides, I really question how many poor people are making catastrophically terrible financial decisions regularly. KwarK seems to think it's a large percentage but maybe he's a victim of selective perception, availability heuristic bias, confirmation bias, etc. Are there any scientific studies about what percentage of poor people are really wasting their money?
And besides, even if it were poor people's own damn fault, I'd still want a grand welfare state anyway. Otherwise you risk a violent Marxist revolution, which tends to end poorly. (Indeed, the very first welfare states in history, such as the insurance laws passed by Bismarck in the 1880s, were propped up in order to take support away from socialists and revolutionaries.)
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The systematically poor don't invest in themselves.
I don't know about actual percentages, but it's just common sense that most people that have an easy alternative that will result in them being less poor will take it. There's rarely an easy alternative, especially if you're poor, and most ways to improve one's living require sacrifices in the current time period for gains in the future. People are really bad at valuing future gains over current gains.
Here are things that poor people have a tendency to do/be:
Are uneducated, resulting in all sorts of preventable predicaments, like having children you can't afford or getting sick because of bad health practices.
Use windfalls on luxury goods to treat themselves rather than accumulating wealth to invest. Poor people still buy expensive things like alcohol and cigarettes.
Commit crimes > terrible way to tax your future earnings for immediate gains.
Reliant on some sort of welfare and are faced with choices like working more and losing benefits.
Have cable tv. This is one of those things that I consider such a bad value for the money spent, but something about American culture just makes this a must have expenditure across all classes even when there are better alternatives.
Get obsessed over get rich schemes like lottery tickets and gambling.
Many of these things are choices even middle class and wealthy people make, but are even more detrimental when you're poor. Clearly there's meaningful discussion about how much of these types of things can actually be changed by individual choice, but for most poor people, there is room for improvement. Maybe not enough to fix things in one generation, but certainly enough to make a notable difference over time.
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On March 11 2017 01:14 chocorush wrote: Reliant on some sort of welfare and are faced with choices like working more and losing benefits. .
This one is particularly interesting because unlike the others, it is Not something middle class/rich people do (with some weird exceptions of people that turn down a raise to avoid getting into a higher tax bracket).
Because society created welfare as that system.
Another issue with money management is that sometimes things that are poor decisions for the rich are actually rational decisions for the poor.
Pay health insurance every month... or go the ER and declare bankruptcy from a $50,000-$500,000 expense.
That option depends on what else you could have done with the money you paid on the health insurance, and how easily/how much it would hurt you to declare bankruptcy. (probably doesn't hurt the poor too much as they are effectively in bankruptcy already... and they could really use that extra few hundred a month on other things)
Give money to some institution in the hopes that you will get more back later, or spend it yourself. (marshmallow test... what happens after 15 minutes if the adult just takes away your one marshmallow instead of giving you two... will you wait the next time?)
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