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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-06 22:47:18
March 06 2017 22:45 GMT
#141181
On March 07 2017 07:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


If this is the best criticism people can come up with I think it is time to step back from making public statements. This is so dumb that I'm frankly baffled that you even link it.

EDIT: The synopsis by Kyle Griffin that is. The interview is fine.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8117 Posts
March 06 2017 22:49 GMT
#141182
On March 07 2017 07:37 LegalLord wrote:
I'll give the following example for how I interpret left-wing bias against right-wing folk: political correctness.

I think I've established that I give few fucks about PC. One example more unique to me could be my use of "the Ukraine" to mock a genuinely stupid nationalistic idiocy. I think the same can be said for most of the more mainstream PC complaints.

But damn. The way conservatives turn PC into a deep, systemic issue that is destroying America because no one can talk about anything and the media is killing discourse... well sorry, but I'm simply not on board. It's not nearly that bad.

And same goes for right-wing accusations of biased, unfair media. I see it's true but the issue is overblown for political convenience.

Also there is a bit of a contradiction in saying that it's offensing to call a racist a racist or Trump electors angry white man when you are battling all day against political correctness.

I mean I can hear the argument against PC, but there is a certain lack of coherence. One can have it both ways, say that arabs are dangerous and want to destroy America and be called a racist biggot, or we can all be careful about what we say.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
March 06 2017 22:49 GMT
#141183
On March 07 2017 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 07:31 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:21 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you on the left who think that the media screwed over Bernie during the primary also think that the media is biased against republicans?

But, we got kwiz over here saying that putting a known cheater for Hillary in charge of the DNC doesn't indicate that it wasn't a fair primary, so the line between fair and unfair is clearly being blurred.

"kwiz over here" is saying that your usual obfuscation and outrage won't help you evade the fact that you haven't been able to produce a single piece of evidence to indicate that the DNC actively undermined the Sanders campaign. With regards to Donna Brazile becoming interim chair of the DNC after the primary was already over, I'll let Tad Devine, the chief strategist of the Sanders campaign, comment on that: "If Bernie Sanders had been the nominee of the party and the Russians hacked my emails instead of John [Podesta]’s, we'd be reading all these notes between Donna and I and they'd say Donna was cozying up to the Bernie campaign. This is taken out of context. I found her to be a fair arbiter, I think she did a good and honest job."
I'm sure we'll be back to square one in less than a month though. I guess it's an easier escape than accepting that more people simply preferred Clinton.

Bruh... If there was an email of Donna cheating for Bernie it would have been released. She didn't cheat for Bernie, she cheated for Hillary, got booted off CNN for it and the DNC said "let's reward her cheating by putting her in charge".

But yeah, clearly nothing to see there. I mean it was after the primary, so it's not like she was on CNN lying about being neutral the whole time.

Tad is a terrible person to point to btw.

Except Devine said the exact opposite of what you're claiming with zero factual basis or inside knowledge, and since his e-mails were not hacked I guess we'll have to go by what he said, which is that Brazile was "a fair arbiter". That settles that.

No, we don't have to take the word of a Democratic party PR guy. That's a choice you're making because it fits your interpretation. Cheating isn't fair, even if they get someone desperate to work for them to say that it was (with no evidence of his claim).

But we do have to take into account what the chief strategist of the Sanders campaign said, because he's the one with knowledge of his own e-mails and of how Brazile treated the Sanders campaign -- not you, since you know absolutely nothing about what went on inside the campaign. We could also listen to the press secretary of the Sanders campaign, who defended her as "even handed". You are the one who's trying to ignore evidence that doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to push -- the Sanders campaign clearly described Brazile as "fair", no matter how much you're trying to ignore it.

Anyway, since all of your accusations (including this one) have repeatedly been addressed in the thread, I'll wait until you present one actual piece of evidence indicating the DNC actively undermined the Sanders campaign. Until then, you're not fooling anyone.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 06 2017 22:58 GMT
#141184
On March 07 2017 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Apparently, Khizr Khan is having his travel privileges "reviewed". We hear about these things every day now, but it's particularly interesting because of his anti-Trump speech during the DNC.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/khizr-khan-forced-to-cancel-toronto-trip-after-being-told-his-travel-privileges-are-being-reviewed/


And he's been a citizen for 30 years. I think we know the motivation behind this.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 06 2017 23:01 GMT
#141185
On March 07 2017 07:45 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 07:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/838851585899917312


If this is the best criticism people can come up with I think it is time to step back from making public statements. This is so dumb that I'm frankly baffled that you even link it.

EDIT: The synopsis by Kyle Griffin that is. The interview is fine.

For obvious reasons, the Bush people all have an axe to grind against Trump. But yes, that particular criticism was notably stupid.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24053 Posts
March 06 2017 23:01 GMT
#141186
On March 07 2017 07:49 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:31 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:21 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you on the left who think that the media screwed over Bernie during the primary also think that the media is biased against republicans?

But, we got kwiz over here saying that putting a known cheater for Hillary in charge of the DNC doesn't indicate that it wasn't a fair primary, so the line between fair and unfair is clearly being blurred.

"kwiz over here" is saying that your usual obfuscation and outrage won't help you evade the fact that you haven't been able to produce a single piece of evidence to indicate that the DNC actively undermined the Sanders campaign. With regards to Donna Brazile becoming interim chair of the DNC after the primary was already over, I'll let Tad Devine, the chief strategist of the Sanders campaign, comment on that: "If Bernie Sanders had been the nominee of the party and the Russians hacked my emails instead of John [Podesta]’s, we'd be reading all these notes between Donna and I and they'd say Donna was cozying up to the Bernie campaign. This is taken out of context. I found her to be a fair arbiter, I think she did a good and honest job."
I'm sure we'll be back to square one in less than a month though. I guess it's an easier escape than accepting that more people simply preferred Clinton.

Bruh... If there was an email of Donna cheating for Bernie it would have been released. She didn't cheat for Bernie, she cheated for Hillary, got booted off CNN for it and the DNC said "let's reward her cheating by putting her in charge".

But yeah, clearly nothing to see there. I mean it was after the primary, so it's not like she was on CNN lying about being neutral the whole time.

Tad is a terrible person to point to btw.

Except Devine said the exact opposite of what you're claiming with zero factual basis or inside knowledge, and since his e-mails were not hacked I guess we'll have to go by what he said, which is that Brazile was "a fair arbiter". That settles that.

No, we don't have to take the word of a Democratic party PR guy. That's a choice you're making because it fits your interpretation. Cheating isn't fair, even if they get someone desperate to work for them to say that it was (with no evidence of his claim).

But we do have to take into account what the chief strategist of the Sanders campaign said, because he's the one with knowledge of his own e-mails and of how Brazile treated the Sanders campaign -- not you, since you know absolutely nothing about what went on inside the campaign. We could also listen to the press secretary of the Sanders campaign, who defended her as "even handed". You are the one who's trying to ignore evidence that doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to push -- the Sanders campaign clearly described Brazile as "fair", no matter how much you're trying to ignore it.

Anyway, since all of your accusations (including this one) have repeatedly been addressed in the thread, I'll wait until you present one actual piece of evidence indicating the DNC actively undermined the Sanders campaign. Until then, you're not fooling anyone.


You and Democrats like you can dwell on your "rightness" all the way into political obscurity. Just be aware that you all could have resolved this instead of losing to the least liked candidate in history.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-06 23:10:19
March 06 2017 23:07 GMT
#141187
On March 07 2017 07:45 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 07:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/838851585899917312


If this is the best criticism people can come up with I think it is time to step back from making public statements. This is so dumb that I'm frankly baffled that you even link it.

EDIT: The synopsis by Kyle Griffin that is. The interview is fine.

I'm glad you said something. I was going to, but last time I criticized something linked by StealthBlue that I felt was utterly pointless I got shot down hard. Although admittedly the way I phrased my critique back then was sort of unclear.


On March 07 2017 07:32 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 06:07 On_Slaught wrote:
On March 07 2017 06:04 zlefin wrote:
we can't get to impeachment until he does something impeachable and his numbers get lower. similar for declaring him unfit.


Obviously but I'm just saying I want that to happen sooner than later to end the suffering.

I think that one thing every single person in this thread would agree to is that the drama is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Over the next year he will be going to war with his own party on a daily basis on numerous things. He will begin to feel more more isolated and the drama in Washington will subsequently get worse.



I'm slightly worried that this could devolve into violence rather than just drama. Some of the comments I've been reading over at Breitbart make me wonder if that could be a possibility. There are a number of crazy people out there who will be with Trump no matter what happens.

I used to never worry about those kinds of comments, but I saw them with the same kind of vitriolity from Trump supporters while following the elections on YouTube channels such as MSNBC, RT and CNN. At the time, I thought to myself "these are just a few people and there's no way they represent widespread opinion", and then Trump actually got elected. It really felt as if those maniacs were actually so common that they could elect a president.

The polarization is at record levels. Social media and TV has become quite expedient at whipping everybody up into a frenzy. Enough to go to war with Iraq, possibly enough to oust half the Trump administration due to ties with Russia, and perhaps even impeach him. Who knows what will happen then. It'll be interesting to see how the next four years turn out, that's for sure.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 06 2017 23:13 GMT
#141188
The GOP has finally released a draft of Obamacare Lite.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-06 23:18:07
March 06 2017 23:14 GMT
#141189
On March 07 2017 08:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 07:49 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:31 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:21 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you on the left who think that the media screwed over Bernie during the primary also think that the media is biased against republicans?

But, we got kwiz over here saying that putting a known cheater for Hillary in charge of the DNC doesn't indicate that it wasn't a fair primary, so the line between fair and unfair is clearly being blurred.

"kwiz over here" is saying that your usual obfuscation and outrage won't help you evade the fact that you haven't been able to produce a single piece of evidence to indicate that the DNC actively undermined the Sanders campaign. With regards to Donna Brazile becoming interim chair of the DNC after the primary was already over, I'll let Tad Devine, the chief strategist of the Sanders campaign, comment on that: "If Bernie Sanders had been the nominee of the party and the Russians hacked my emails instead of John [Podesta]’s, we'd be reading all these notes between Donna and I and they'd say Donna was cozying up to the Bernie campaign. This is taken out of context. I found her to be a fair arbiter, I think she did a good and honest job."
I'm sure we'll be back to square one in less than a month though. I guess it's an easier escape than accepting that more people simply preferred Clinton.

Bruh... If there was an email of Donna cheating for Bernie it would have been released. She didn't cheat for Bernie, she cheated for Hillary, got booted off CNN for it and the DNC said "let's reward her cheating by putting her in charge".

But yeah, clearly nothing to see there. I mean it was after the primary, so it's not like she was on CNN lying about being neutral the whole time.

Tad is a terrible person to point to btw.

Except Devine said the exact opposite of what you're claiming with zero factual basis or inside knowledge, and since his e-mails were not hacked I guess we'll have to go by what he said, which is that Brazile was "a fair arbiter". That settles that.

No, we don't have to take the word of a Democratic party PR guy. That's a choice you're making because it fits your interpretation. Cheating isn't fair, even if they get someone desperate to work for them to say that it was (with no evidence of his claim).

But we do have to take into account what the chief strategist of the Sanders campaign said, because he's the one with knowledge of his own e-mails and of how Brazile treated the Sanders campaign -- not you, since you know absolutely nothing about what went on inside the campaign. We could also listen to the press secretary of the Sanders campaign, who defended her as "even handed". You are the one who's trying to ignore evidence that doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to push -- the Sanders campaign clearly described Brazile as "fair", no matter how much you're trying to ignore it.

Anyway, since all of your accusations (including this one) have repeatedly been addressed in the thread, I'll wait until you present one actual piece of evidence indicating the DNC actively undermined the Sanders campaign. Until then, you're not fooling anyone.


You and Democrats like you can dwell on your "rightness" all the way into political obscurity. Just be aware that you all could have resolved this instead of losing to the least liked candidate in history.


Despite my objections to Hillary and the DNC establishment/American political systems, she could have easily won if she had run a half-decent campaign. Showing up in the states where she narrowly lost, being more on-point with her own messaging rather than trying to badmouth Trump in political ads. People don't respond to the political standpoint of "look at my website". They respond to stupid shit like "make America great again" and "drain the swamp". It's not just a matter of her being disliked, or the perceived corruption.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 06 2017 23:22 GMT
#141190
Say goodbye to all the coastal cities and say hello to perhaps a Billion refugees.

Arctic sea ice could vanish in summers this century even if governments achieve a core target for limiting global warming set by almost 200 countries, scientists have said.

The ice has been shrinking steadily in recent decades, damaging the livelihoods of indigenous people and wildlife, such as polar bears, while opening the region to more shipping and oil and gas exploration.

Under the 2015 Paris agreement, governments set a goal of limiting the rise in average world temperatures to well below 2C (35.6F) above pre-industrial times, with an aspiration of just 1.5C.

“The 2C target may be insufficient to prevent an ice-free Arctic,” James Screen and Daniel Williamson of Exeter University wrote in the Nature Climate Change journal after a review of ice projections.

A 2C rise would still mean a 39% risk that ice would disappear in the Arctic Ocean in summers, they said. Ice was virtually certain to survive, however, with just 1.5C of warming.

They estimated a 73% probability that the ice would disappear in summers unless governments made deeper cuts in emissions. The scientists estimated temperatures would rise 3C on current trends.

This month the extent of Arctic sea ice is rivalling 2016 and 2015 as the smallest for the time of year since satellite records began in the late 1970s. The ice reaches a winter maximum in March and a summer minimum in September.

“In less than 40 years, we have almost halved the summer sea ice cover,” said Tor Eldevik a professor at the Bjerknes Centre for Climate Research at the University of Bergen in Norway, who was not involved in the study.

He predicted sea ice would vanish in the Arctic Ocean in about 40 years on current trends.

Scientists define an ice-free Arctic Ocean as one with less than 386,000 sq miles (1m sq km) of ice because they say some will linger in bays, such as off northern Greenland, even after the ocean is ice-free.

Donald Trump said during the 2016 presidential election campaign that he would cancel the Paris agreement and instead promote the domestic fossil-fuel industry. He has since said he has an “open mind” on the subject.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-06 23:29:54
March 06 2017 23:29 GMT
#141191
On March 07 2017 08:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 07:49 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:31 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:21 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you on the left who think that the media screwed over Bernie during the primary also think that the media is biased against republicans?

But, we got kwiz over here saying that putting a known cheater for Hillary in charge of the DNC doesn't indicate that it wasn't a fair primary, so the line between fair and unfair is clearly being blurred.

"kwiz over here" is saying that your usual obfuscation and outrage won't help you evade the fact that you haven't been able to produce a single piece of evidence to indicate that the DNC actively undermined the Sanders campaign. With regards to Donna Brazile becoming interim chair of the DNC after the primary was already over, I'll let Tad Devine, the chief strategist of the Sanders campaign, comment on that: "If Bernie Sanders had been the nominee of the party and the Russians hacked my emails instead of John [Podesta]’s, we'd be reading all these notes between Donna and I and they'd say Donna was cozying up to the Bernie campaign. This is taken out of context. I found her to be a fair arbiter, I think she did a good and honest job."
I'm sure we'll be back to square one in less than a month though. I guess it's an easier escape than accepting that more people simply preferred Clinton.

Bruh... If there was an email of Donna cheating for Bernie it would have been released. She didn't cheat for Bernie, she cheated for Hillary, got booted off CNN for it and the DNC said "let's reward her cheating by putting her in charge".

But yeah, clearly nothing to see there. I mean it was after the primary, so it's not like she was on CNN lying about being neutral the whole time.

Tad is a terrible person to point to btw.

Except Devine said the exact opposite of what you're claiming with zero factual basis or inside knowledge, and since his e-mails were not hacked I guess we'll have to go by what he said, which is that Brazile was "a fair arbiter". That settles that.

No, we don't have to take the word of a Democratic party PR guy. That's a choice you're making because it fits your interpretation. Cheating isn't fair, even if they get someone desperate to work for them to say that it was (with no evidence of his claim).

But we do have to take into account what the chief strategist of the Sanders campaign said, because he's the one with knowledge of his own e-mails and of how Brazile treated the Sanders campaign -- not you, since you know absolutely nothing about what went on inside the campaign. We could also listen to the press secretary of the Sanders campaign, who defended her as "even handed". You are the one who's trying to ignore evidence that doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to push -- the Sanders campaign clearly described Brazile as "fair", no matter how much you're trying to ignore it.

Anyway, since all of your accusations (including this one) have repeatedly been addressed in the thread, I'll wait until you present one actual piece of evidence indicating the DNC actively undermined the Sanders campaign. Until then, you're not fooling anyone.


You and Democrats like you can dwell on your "rightness" all the way into political obscurity. Just be aware that you all could have resolved this instead of losing to the least liked candidate in history.


To be the least liked candidate means to have less votes than any candidate. Clinton has more votes than Trump. By definition, she cannot be the least liked candidate. She's not perfect either. Anything else is just talk.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24053 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-06 23:35:25
March 06 2017 23:34 GMT
#141192
On March 07 2017 08:29 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 08:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:49 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:31 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:21 kwizach wrote:
On March 07 2017 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 07 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you on the left who think that the media screwed over Bernie during the primary also think that the media is biased against republicans?

But, we got kwiz over here saying that putting a known cheater for Hillary in charge of the DNC doesn't indicate that it wasn't a fair primary, so the line between fair and unfair is clearly being blurred.

"kwiz over here" is saying that your usual obfuscation and outrage won't help you evade the fact that you haven't been able to produce a single piece of evidence to indicate that the DNC actively undermined the Sanders campaign. With regards to Donna Brazile becoming interim chair of the DNC after the primary was already over, I'll let Tad Devine, the chief strategist of the Sanders campaign, comment on that: "If Bernie Sanders had been the nominee of the party and the Russians hacked my emails instead of John [Podesta]’s, we'd be reading all these notes between Donna and I and they'd say Donna was cozying up to the Bernie campaign. This is taken out of context. I found her to be a fair arbiter, I think she did a good and honest job."
I'm sure we'll be back to square one in less than a month though. I guess it's an easier escape than accepting that more people simply preferred Clinton.

Bruh... If there was an email of Donna cheating for Bernie it would have been released. She didn't cheat for Bernie, she cheated for Hillary, got booted off CNN for it and the DNC said "let's reward her cheating by putting her in charge".

But yeah, clearly nothing to see there. I mean it was after the primary, so it's not like she was on CNN lying about being neutral the whole time.

Tad is a terrible person to point to btw.

Except Devine said the exact opposite of what you're claiming with zero factual basis or inside knowledge, and since his e-mails were not hacked I guess we'll have to go by what he said, which is that Brazile was "a fair arbiter". That settles that.

No, we don't have to take the word of a Democratic party PR guy. That's a choice you're making because it fits your interpretation. Cheating isn't fair, even if they get someone desperate to work for them to say that it was (with no evidence of his claim).

But we do have to take into account what the chief strategist of the Sanders campaign said, because he's the one with knowledge of his own e-mails and of how Brazile treated the Sanders campaign -- not you, since you know absolutely nothing about what went on inside the campaign. We could also listen to the press secretary of the Sanders campaign, who defended her as "even handed". You are the one who's trying to ignore evidence that doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to push -- the Sanders campaign clearly described Brazile as "fair", no matter how much you're trying to ignore it.

Anyway, since all of your accusations (including this one) have repeatedly been addressed in the thread, I'll wait until you present one actual piece of evidence indicating the DNC actively undermined the Sanders campaign. Until then, you're not fooling anyone.


You and Democrats like you can dwell on your "rightness" all the way into political obscurity. Just be aware that you all could have resolved this instead of losing to the least liked candidate in history.


To be the least liked candidate means to have less votes than any candidate. Clinton has more votes than Trump. By definition, she cannot be the least liked candidate. She's not perfect either. Anything else is just talk.


Voting doesn't give an objective measure of "liking" either. Hillary got plenty of votes from people who didn't like her. But every poll had Trump as the least favorable candidate since we started polling the question.

I was saying Trump was the least liked btw.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-06 23:41:36
March 06 2017 23:40 GMT
#141193
On March 07 2017 08:13 xDaunt wrote:
The GOP has finally released a draft of Obamacare Lite.


As someone who works in the healthcare industry and who will be going to law school next year it looks like I will have a lot of reading to do tomorrow.

Do we have any idea of what the actual odds of this thing being passed are as is? We know that some Republicans are already against it and see it as creating another entitlement program.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 06 2017 23:43 GMT
#141194
On March 07 2017 08:40 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 08:13 xDaunt wrote:
The GOP has finally released a draft of Obamacare Lite.


As someone who works in the healthcare industry and who will be going to law school next year it looks like I will have a lot of reading to do tomorrow.

Do we have any idea of what the actual odds of this thing being passed are as is? We know that some Republicans are already against it and see it as creating another entitlement program.


Eww, don't do it!
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 06 2017 23:48 GMT
#141195
On March 07 2017 08:40 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 08:13 xDaunt wrote:
The GOP has finally released a draft of Obamacare Lite.


As someone who works in the healthcare industry and who will be going to law school next year it looks like I will have a lot of reading to do tomorrow.

Do we have any idea of what the actual odds of this thing being passed are as is? We know that some Republicans are already against it and see it as creating another entitlement program.

I don't see any obvious odds on the betting sites yet.
The whole thing is gonna be a big mess of negotiation, so I'd assume it won't be passed as is.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 06 2017 23:49 GMT
#141196
On March 07 2017 08:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Say goodbye to all the coastal cities and say hello to perhaps a Billion refugees.

Show nested quote +
Arctic sea ice could vanish in summers this century even if governments achieve a core target for limiting global warming set by almost 200 countries, scientists have said.

The ice has been shrinking steadily in recent decades, damaging the livelihoods of indigenous people and wildlife, such as polar bears, while opening the region to more shipping and oil and gas exploration.

Under the 2015 Paris agreement, governments set a goal of limiting the rise in average world temperatures to well below 2C (35.6F) above pre-industrial times, with an aspiration of just 1.5C.

“The 2C target may be insufficient to prevent an ice-free Arctic,” James Screen and Daniel Williamson of Exeter University wrote in the Nature Climate Change journal after a review of ice projections.

A 2C rise would still mean a 39% risk that ice would disappear in the Arctic Ocean in summers, they said. Ice was virtually certain to survive, however, with just 1.5C of warming.

They estimated a 73% probability that the ice would disappear in summers unless governments made deeper cuts in emissions. The scientists estimated temperatures would rise 3C on current trends.

This month the extent of Arctic sea ice is rivalling 2016 and 2015 as the smallest for the time of year since satellite records began in the late 1970s. The ice reaches a winter maximum in March and a summer minimum in September.

“In less than 40 years, we have almost halved the summer sea ice cover,” said Tor Eldevik a professor at the Bjerknes Centre for Climate Research at the University of Bergen in Norway, who was not involved in the study.

He predicted sea ice would vanish in the Arctic Ocean in about 40 years on current trends.

Scientists define an ice-free Arctic Ocean as one with less than 386,000 sq miles (1m sq km) of ice because they say some will linger in bays, such as off northern Greenland, even after the ocean is ice-free.

Donald Trump said during the 2016 presidential election campaign that he would cancel the Paris agreement and instead promote the domestic fossil-fuel industry. He has since said he has an “open mind” on the subject.


Source

Give me some fact check timeframes I know the goalposts will just move again if the worlds coasts aren't impacted in 100 years.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
March 06 2017 23:50 GMT
#141197
On March 07 2017 08:43 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 08:40 On_Slaught wrote:
On March 07 2017 08:13 xDaunt wrote:
The GOP has finally released a draft of Obamacare Lite.


As someone who works in the healthcare industry and who will be going to law school next year it looks like I will have a lot of reading to do tomorrow.

Do we have any idea of what the actual odds of this thing being passed are as is? We know that some Republicans are already against it and see it as creating another entitlement program.


Eww, don't do it!


Lol the same thing almost every lawyer I've ever met has said. I am confident I have done enough preparation to not fall in the category of 30 to 40% of all law students who are effectively fucked.

Going back to the Health Care law it's a shame Rand Paul won't be able to continue his little Easter egg hunt anymore around Washington.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 06 2017 23:50 GMT
#141198
On March 07 2017 08:40 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 08:13 xDaunt wrote:
The GOP has finally released a draft of Obamacare Lite.


As someone who works in the healthcare industry and who will be going to law school next year it looks like I will have a lot of reading to do tomorrow.

Do we have any idea of what the actual odds of this thing being passed are as is? We know that some Republicans are already against it and see it as creating another entitlement program.

tl;dr when you get a chance. Thanks. o/
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 06 2017 23:53 GMT
#141199
On March 07 2017 07:32 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2017 06:07 On_Slaught wrote:
On March 07 2017 06:04 zlefin wrote:
we can't get to impeachment until he does something impeachable and his numbers get lower. similar for declaring him unfit.


Obviously but I'm just saying I want that to happen sooner than later to end the suffering.

I think that one thing every single person in this thread would agree to is that the drama is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Over the next year he will be going to war with his own party on a daily basis on numerous things. He will begin to feel more more isolated and the drama in Washington will subsequently get worse.



I'm slightly worried that this could devolve into violence rather than just drama. Some of the comments I've been reading over at Breitbart make me wonder if that could be a possibility. There are a number of crazy people out there who will be with Trump no matter what happens.

Back in the day, internet comment sections were ignored. Trolls and wackos. Nowadays, it's popular to state your worry about violence because Trump. I'm trying to figure out if the comment sections are crazier than people trying to draw parallels from them.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-07 00:35:53
March 06 2017 23:55 GMT
#141200
the GOP obamacare replacement draft (i'll call it the unaffordable care act) basically moves the penalty for not having insurance from being paid to the government to being paid to the insurers as a 30% upcharge. lol.

looks more or less as the ones leaked last month except with some numbers changed around?

lmao, they're calling it a 100 billion risk pool... when it's really 15/10 b a year. that's a reduction to what it is now (which is already considered underfunded, btw).

tax credits - 2k to 4k (depending on age) with a lot of deductions.

looks like tax credits wont apply to plans that cover abortion, that's an maneuver that i kinda have to appreciate from a drafting perspective. evil, though.

oh, and it removes the deduction for insurer execs making over 500k a year - there's that wet sloppy blowjob analogy!

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