US Politics Mega-thread - Page 7059

On March 07 2017 06:45 Mohdoo wrote:


Doesn't this not consider things like a wave of superdelegates making other senior party members less likely to back Sanders? There are a lot of ways to apply pressure without actually violating anything. Clinton was chosen ahead of time. The party organized itself well to get the primary over with early. You aren't accounting for all the planning and posturing. There are a lot of less-than-direct ways for this to have been impacted that have nothing to do with votes.

Is it that you are saying none of the democratic primary was planned out in advance? There weren't early efforts to consolidate and solidify support ahead of time?

There was an enormous amount of momentum behind Clinton the day she announced. And not just because she was so fantastic. She was the chosen one in a variety of ways.

WASHINGTON ― Ben Carson made his debut as secretary of Housing and Urban Development Monday by telling agency employees about the virtues of the “can-do” American society. Carson said this value system was best exemplified by slaves, whom he characterized as immigrants who came to the United States with very little and worked very hard.

“That’s what America is about,” Carson said. “A land of dreams and opportunity. There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”

One HUD employee who was in the room for Carson’s speech said there was no audible reaction to Carson’s slave ship remark, although she was shocked by it and immediately recognized that it’d be a problem. She added that overall, people at the agency are excited about their new boss.

The Senate approved Carson, a neurosurgeon with no experience in housing policy, to the job last week.

In 2013, Carson said Obamacare was “the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.”

“And it is in a way, it is slavery in a way, because it is making all of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health care,” he added. “It was about control.”

Carson also spent part of his speech to agency employees Monday talking about the human brain.

“[E]very human being, regardless of their ethnicities, or their background, they have a brain, the human brain,” he said, later adding, “You can’t overload [the brain]. Have you ever heard people say, ‘Don’t do that or you’ll overload your brain’? You can’t overload the human brain. ... So we need to concentrate a little less on what we can’t do and a little more on what we can do.”

On March 07 2017 06:56 WolfintheSheep wrote:

Isn't this exactly the kind of thing that the Super Delegate system is for? I can understand not liking it, but it feels weird to have a system that allows the party greater influence and final say, and then not like that the party has greater influence.

On March 07 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you on the left who think that the media screwed over Bernie during the primary also think that the media is biased against republicans?

On March 07 2017 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:

But, we got kwiz over here saying that putting a known cheater for Hillary in charge of the DNC doesn't indicate that it wasn't a fair primary, so the line between fair and unfair is clearly being blurred.

On March 07 2017 07:21 kwizach wrote:

"kwiz over here" is saying that your usual obfuscation and outrage won't help you evade the fact that you haven't been able to produce a single piece of evidence to indicate that the DNC actively undermined the Sanders campaign. With regards to Donna Brazile becoming interim chair of the DNC after the primary was already over, I'll let Tad Devine, the chief strategist of the Sanders campaign, comment on that: "If Bernie Sanders had been the nominee of the party and the Russians hacked my emails instead of John [Podesta]’s, we'd be reading all these notes between Donna and I and they'd say Donna was cozying up to the Bernie campaign. This is taken out of context. I found her to be a fair arbiter, I think she did a good and honest job."
I'm sure we'll be back to square one in less than a month though. I guess it's an easier escape than accepting that more people simply preferred Clinton.

On March 07 2017 06:04 zlefin wrote:
we can't get to impeachment until he does something impeachable and his numbers get lower. similar for declaring him unfit.

On March 07 2017 07:26 GreenHorizons wrote:

Bruh... If there was an email of Donna cheating for Bernie it would have been released. She didn't cheat for Bernie, she cheated for Hillary, got booted off CNN for it and the DNC said "let's reward her cheating by putting her in charge".

But yeah, clearly nothing to see there. I mean it was after the primary, so it's not like she was on CNN lying about being neutral the whole time.

Tad is a terrible person to point to btw.

On March 07 2017 06:07 On_Slaught wrote:


Obviously but I'm just saying I want that to happen sooner than later to end the suffering.

I think that one thing every single person in this thread would agree to is that the drama is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Over the next year he will be going to war with his own party on a daily basis on numerous things. He will begin to feel more more isolated and the drama in Washington will subsequently get worse.