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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42777 Posts
February 27 2017 23:42 GMT
#139701
Hillary isn't going to run again. I'm not sure why people are fixated on that.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 27 2017 23:44 GMT
#139702
Biden will run before Hilary does.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 27 2017 23:45 GMT
#139703
Hillary is the worst thing anyone who could possibly run for president could be: a proven presidential loser.

She blew her chance by simply not being electable enough, and there is zero reason to have her run again. Even she probably can't pull another DNC collusion fest off.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
February 27 2017 23:52 GMT
#139704
There's no way they're that inept that they'd decide to run Hillary again. She already lost to the biggest joke candidate that most of us could imagine.

I'd guess that they'll likely run a safe Biden-esque candidate. Some cookie-cutter White guy that won't stir up too much controversy.

I imagine he'll run a campaign filled with nice-sounding platitudes about "hope" and "change" and "opportunity for all." With very little substance but a focus on pretending he can actually do something for the poor working-class voter in small-town America while expounding virtuous messages of equality for the city-folk. As long as he doesn't accuse everyone of being evil, racist, sexist, misogynist, transphobic, vegan-hating bigots if they question a policy or action or support the idea that illegal-immigrants should be deported...

That should probably do it, it works in every other election.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 27 2017 23:56 GMT
#139705
Anyone who has the appearance of being an upstanding citizen would do.

Knowing the DNC they will probably promote a DWS run or something though.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
February 27 2017 23:59 GMT
#139706
On February 28 2017 08:56 LegalLord wrote:
Anyone who has the appearance of being an upstanding citizen would do.

Knowing the DNC they will probably promote a DWS run or something though.


In b4 Donna Brazile for 2020.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 28 2017 00:05 GMT
#139707
Team late seventies / early eighties for 2020. DNC, D for Dinosaur.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 28 2017 00:06 GMT
#139708
lol
WASHINGTON — House Intelligence Committee chair Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said today that Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the national security adviser fired by President Trump, may have done the country a “big favor” if he signaled to the Russian ambassador that sanctions imposed by President Barack Obama after the Russian cyberattack on Democratic Party officials would be lifted once President Trump took office.

The comments by Nunes, a vocal defender of the Trump White House, seemed to be the strongest indication to date that Flynn may have sought to undercut Obama’s actions, giving private assurances to Russia’s ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, that punitive measures just imposed by the then-president would go away under Trump.

Nunes told reporters at a press conference that he had been briefed on the contents of intercepted conversations between Flynn and Kislyak, but had not seen the transcript of those calls. Still, he dismissed the idea that Flynn had done anything wrong, and said that the punitive actions taken by Obama over the election hack were “petty” and “not taken seriously” by Moscow.


Devin Nunes, R-Calif., chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, talks to reporters at the U.S. Capitol about the committee’s Russia investigation on Feb. 27, 2017. (Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
“If the discussions occurred around ensuring there was no overreaction by the Russian government, so the new administration could do, like all the other previous administrations who think they can work with [Russian President Vladimir] Putin … if that’s what General Flynn did, to keep the lines of communications open and make sure the Russians didn’t overreact … that did us a big favor, and we should be thanking him,” Nunes said.

“If that’s what was said, I don’t know what the problem with that would be,” Nunes added. “That’s exactly what he [Flynn] should be doing.”

When a reporter noted that at the time of the key phone call between Flynn and Kislyak last Dec. 29, Obama and not Trump was the president, Nunes abruptly dismissed the question.

“Are you a Logan Act guy?” Nunes shot back at the reporter, referring to the never-used 18th century law that prohibits private citizens from conducting their own foreign policy.

Nunes’ innocuous description of the Flynn phone call was later strongly rejected by Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the intelligence panel, underscoring the partisan rift within Congress over the investigations into Russian hacking.

Source
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 28 2017 00:31 GMT
#139709
On February 28 2017 08:21 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2017 07:53 LegalLord wrote:
The benefit of being out of power is that nothing is your fault anymore.

Democrats still somehow manage to be widely unpopular.

NBC/WSJ Poll

51% media has been too critical of Trump
53% "The news media and other elites are exaggerating the problems with the Trump administration because they are uncomfortable and threatened with the kind of change that Trump represents."

Meanwhile:
44 vs 48 approval rating

Obamacare:
Even split on good idea/bad idea
Only 4% "working well the way it is" rofl
1/3 confident in GOP's ability to replace the law

Travel ban
44/45 practically dead even. Pretty hilarious given all the rhetoric saying it shouldn't be close.

Consensus that Russia meddled somehow and support for the investigation.

Forgot to highlight the original reason for Dem quote:
GOP favorability: 35/43 (-8)
Dem favorability: 30/46 (-16)

The DNC is truly exceptional.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23250 Posts
February 28 2017 00:35 GMT
#139710
I know you guys think she won't run for all the reasons you guys covered and more, but I'm not so sure she understands that, and as evidenced by the Perez thing the same wing still has control over the party.

Even if she doesn't run, whoever does get the establishment backing, will be someone very close to her. It's going to have to be a wall of nope at the prospect, or she'll twist arms and force herself in.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 28 2017 00:39 GMT
#139711
Guys, Hilary still runs the DNC and is preparing to run Chelsea for senate in the future. And then stealing her body to mak a third run for the Oval Office.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-28 00:48:14
February 28 2017 00:47 GMT
#139712
53% "The news media and other elites are exaggerating the problems with the Trump administration because they are uncomfortable and threatened with the kind of change that Trump represents."


This is a terribly worded poll question. The statement is hard to argue with, but a lot of people still answered no since they personally disagree with "the kind of change Trump represents."

Also how is "the news media and other elites" neutral wording? I'm surprised this made it into a poll put out by NBC/WSJ.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 28 2017 00:48 GMT
#139713
Objectively true. You don't say?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23250 Posts
February 28 2017 00:48 GMT
#139714
On February 28 2017 09:39 Plansix wrote:
Guys, Hilary still runs the DNC and is preparing to run Chelsea for senate in the future. And then stealing her body to mak a third run for the Oval Office.


Let me take 2 reasonable statements and add a third crazy one in a failing attempt to make the first two sound crazy.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
February 28 2017 00:48 GMT
#139715
On February 28 2017 09:48 Plansix wrote:
Objectively true. You don't say?

You respond too quickly.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 28 2017 00:52 GMT
#139716
On February 28 2017 08:59 Nemireck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2017 08:56 LegalLord wrote:
Anyone who has the appearance of being an upstanding citizen would do.

Knowing the DNC they will probably promote a DWS run or something though.


In b4 Donna Brazile for 2020.

It's the perfect strategy. Anyone who argues against her will be a racist and misogynist.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 28 2017 00:53 GMT
#139717
On February 28 2017 09:48 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2017 09:48 Plansix wrote:
Objectively true. You don't say?

You respond too quickly.

Sry, people throw around objectively when they likely should use ostensibly.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 28 2017 01:04 GMT
#139718
On February 28 2017 09:47 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
53% "The news media and other elites are exaggerating the problems with the Trump administration because they are uncomfortable and threatened with the kind of change that Trump represents."


This is a terribly worded poll question. The statement is hard to argue with, but a lot of people still answered no since they personally disagree with "the kind of change Trump represents."

Also how is "the news media and other elites" neutral wording? I'm surprised this made it into a poll put out by NBC/WSJ.

They include a few color questions/push poll questions. Like "For too long, a small group in our nation’s capital
has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost.” But note with your original gripe, it is focused on how much of the population think it's media+elites vs Trump. Is this a war between two partisan sides or not? Slim majority says yes.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
February 28 2017 01:08 GMT
#139719
On February 28 2017 09:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
I know you guys think she won't run for all the reasons you guys covered and more, but I'm not so sure she understands that, and as evidenced by the Perez thing the same wing still has control over the party.

Even if she doesn't run, whoever does get the establishment backing, will be someone very close to her. It's going to have to be a wall of nope at the prospect, or she'll twist arms and force herself in.


I think our primary in 2020 will be similar to the the republicans' in 2016. We'll have a Rubio and a Bush to see which type of establishment resonates best, then have someone who completely blows them both out of the water.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
February 28 2017 01:13 GMT
#139720
How would you guys feel if Clinton was named VP by whoever in 2020? Still her running, just not her name basically?
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