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On February 16 2017 05:51 LegalLord wrote:
Few people care about Russia. There are Russia hawks here and there, but most of this isn't really about Russia; it's about beating Trump. We have devolved to the point where actual conflicts of interest and foreign influences no longer matter.
I wonder if even the people who ordered the leaks could have expected how far the fallout of those would go. A few thousand emails was all it took to take internal tensions in the US to levels not seen in more than a century.
Uhm, everything i've seen of Trumps adiministration so far has been about conflicts of interest and foreign influences. The problem is just that republicans don't seem to care. From my point of view, meaning getting my news from german news outlets and my daily dose of what the actual fuck from Colbert and Meyers, the whole part of the States that did not vote for Trump is in a constant state of "WTF?!?" while the government says everybody loves them and the GOP claims that it's all not that bad. Conway should have been fired. Miller made an Autocracy Infomercial. Spicer is so ridiculous that SNL has to cast him with a woman just to be a bit over the top. The nepotism and potential corruption and the incompetence of the administration are so blatant that everything that sticks is good. That people blow this scandal out of proportion is due to the real scandal, all of the last x weeks, was sucked out of proportion.
And calling it the highest internal tensions since 100 years is blowing the civil resistance way out of proportion as well.
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On February 16 2017 06:07 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 06:04 Gorsameth wrote:On February 16 2017 06:02 LegalLord wrote:On February 16 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On February 16 2017 05:56 LegalLord wrote:On February 16 2017 05:54 KwarK wrote:On February 16 2017 05:51 LegalLord wrote:
Few people care about Russia. There are Russia hawks here and there, but most of this isn't really about Russia; it's about beating Trump. We have devolved to the point where actual conflicts of interest and foreign influences no longer matter.
I wonder if even the people who ordered the leaks could have expected how far the fallout of those would go. A few thousand emails was all it took to take internal tensions in the US to levels not seen in more than a century. It's not about beating Trump, Trump legitimately did something wrong. At this point, what difference does it make? No one actually cares. Some people pretend to care but no one actually cares. Your Russian side is showing again. Yes people seriously care about the Presidential advisor being in the pocket of the Kremlin. Looks pretty divided along party lines to me. Russia hawks on the Republican side excepted, of course. Gee I wonder why Republican officials are reluctant to investigate a scandal that has the potential to cause their sitting President to be impeached... So you agree that this is actually about Trump and winning then?
You said no one cares about Russia.
Your wrong
The fact that some Republicans care more about being in power then about being a puppet of Russia does not make your statement right.
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On February 16 2017 06:04 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 05:56 farvacola wrote:Puzder is out on word that 4 Republicans wouldn't budge from a No vote and up to 12 signaled a willingness to follow suit  Why such resistance to him? DeVos got confirmed ffs.
a lot of history plus he was having trouble dealing with all the criticism according to some reports.
cnn has a list of most of them. http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/08/news/puzder-confirmation-issues/index.html
basically a ton of baggage and policies that seemed at odds with administration.
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On February 16 2017 06:07 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 06:04 Gorsameth wrote:On February 16 2017 06:02 LegalLord wrote:On February 16 2017 06:00 Gorsameth wrote:On February 16 2017 05:56 LegalLord wrote:On February 16 2017 05:54 KwarK wrote:On February 16 2017 05:51 LegalLord wrote:
Few people care about Russia. There are Russia hawks here and there, but most of this isn't really about Russia; it's about beating Trump. We have devolved to the point where actual conflicts of interest and foreign influences no longer matter.
I wonder if even the people who ordered the leaks could have expected how far the fallout of those would go. A few thousand emails was all it took to take internal tensions in the US to levels not seen in more than a century. It's not about beating Trump, Trump legitimately did something wrong. At this point, what difference does it make? No one actually cares. Some people pretend to care but no one actually cares. Your Russian side is showing again. Yes people seriously care about the Presidential advisor being in the pocket of the Kremlin. Looks pretty divided along party lines to me. Russia hawks on the Republican side excepted, of course. Gee I wonder why Republican officials are reluctant to investigate a scandal that has the potential to cause their sitting President to be impeached... So you agree that this is actually about Trump and winning then?
Why does it only have to be one thing?
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it is about eliminating a dangerous and unfit person for president.
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On February 16 2017 06:11 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 06:04 Slaughter wrote:On February 16 2017 05:56 farvacola wrote:Puzder is out on word that 4 Republicans wouldn't budge from a No vote and up to 12 signaled a willingness to follow suit Why such resistance to him? DeVos got confirmed ffs. a lot of history plus he was having trouble dealing with all the criticism according to some reports. cnn has a list of most of them. http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/08/news/puzder-confirmation-issues/index.htmlbasically a ton of baggage and policies that seemed at odds with administration.
he didnt give enough reasons (campaign contributions) to the pols.
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can our russian posters pm me the cyrillic for tendies or chicken tendies. thanks.
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On February 16 2017 06:10 Broetchenholer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 05:51 LegalLord wrote:
Few people care about Russia. There are Russia hawks here and there, but most of this isn't really about Russia; it's about beating Trump. We have devolved to the point where actual conflicts of interest and foreign influences no longer matter.
I wonder if even the people who ordered the leaks could have expected how far the fallout of those would go. A few thousand emails was all it took to take internal tensions in the US to levels not seen in more than a century. Uhm, everything i've seen of Trumps adiministration so far has been about conflicts of interest and foreign influences. The problem is just that republicans don't seem to care. From my point of view, meaning getting my news from german news outlets and my daily dose of what the actual fuck from Colbert and Meyers, the whole part of the States that did not vote for Trump is in a constant state of "WTF?!?" while the government says everybody loves them and the GOP claims that it's all not that bad. Conway should have been fired. Miller made an Autocracy Infomercial. Spicer is so ridiculous that SNL has to cast him with a woman just to be a bit over the top. The nepotism and potential corruption and the incompetence of the administration are so blatant that everything that sticks is good. That people blow this scandal out of proportion is due to the real scandal, all of the last x weeks, was sucked out of proportion. And calling it the highest internal tensions since 100 years is blowing the civil resistance way out of proportion as well.
Foreigners are different. They care specifically about what America can do for them, rather than about internal American issues. This would make Russia interests more important to foreigners. And of course the "news sources" you cited are quite literally a joke and they behave as such.
I don't exaggerate when I say that tensions are as bad as they have been in over a century. For one, there have never been two candidates with such a low approval rate, nor has there ever been such a big popular-electoral discrepancy. In terms of how fucked Congress is, I'd have to go back to the 1876 election to find partisanship quite this brutal. The actual situations have been worse at times, but it's been a long time since people have been so strongly at each other's throats.
Within the US... well the political parties hate each other so much that foreign influence is a genuinely partisan issue. In a sane world, the Wikileaks release should have been universally condemned. But the situation was so toxic that it didn't work out that way. We got this whole "contents of leaks vs. Russia" situation. And the way the campaign went, it was obvious that it was more about trying to tie Trump to Russia than about actually being connected to Russia. Same deal with CF donations from Saudi Arabia.
There are few people who actually are interested in a principled cleansing to remove the stench of Russian influence. It's all been about Trump and how to remove him. Some people actually care about Russia and the fact that a foreign government hacked the election. Most people care more about Trump and how to get rid of him.
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Washington (CNN)The Defense Department might propose that the US send conventional ground combat forces into northern Syria for the first time to speed up the fight against ISIS, CNN has learned.
"It's possible that you may see conventional forces hit the ground in Syria for some period of time," one defense official told CNN.
But the official emphasized that any decision is ultimately up to President Donald Trump, who has ordered his defense secretary to come up with a proposal to combat ISIS before the end of the month.
The move would significantly alter US military operations in Syria if approved and could put troops on the ground within weeks.
Until now, only small teams made up largely of Special Operations forces have operated in Syria, providing training and assistance to anti-ISIS opposition groups on the ground.
Conventional units operate in larger numbers and would require a more significant footprint of security protection both on the ground and in the air.
US officials are characterizing the concept of deploying ground troops as a point of discussion, stopping short of saying it's a formal proposal.
What their exact mission would be is not yet clear, but one goal of their their presence would be to help reassure Turkey that Kurdish forces are not posing a threat to Ankara's interests. It's possible some troops would deploy first to Kuwait and then move into Syria.
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About 5 years to late, but there are terrorist there now. Before it was just some civil war.
We should rename all humanitarian problems “terrorism” and say we are fighting it.
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On February 16 2017 07:18 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 06:10 Broetchenholer wrote:On February 16 2017 05:51 LegalLord wrote:
Few people care about Russia. There are Russia hawks here and there, but most of this isn't really about Russia; it's about beating Trump. We have devolved to the point where actual conflicts of interest and foreign influences no longer matter.
I wonder if even the people who ordered the leaks could have expected how far the fallout of those would go. A few thousand emails was all it took to take internal tensions in the US to levels not seen in more than a century. Uhm, everything i've seen of Trumps adiministration so far has been about conflicts of interest and foreign influences. The problem is just that republicans don't seem to care. From my point of view, meaning getting my news from german news outlets and my daily dose of what the actual fuck from Colbert and Meyers, the whole part of the States that did not vote for Trump is in a constant state of "WTF?!?" while the government says everybody loves them and the GOP claims that it's all not that bad. Conway should have been fired. Miller made an Autocracy Infomercial. Spicer is so ridiculous that SNL has to cast him with a woman just to be a bit over the top. The nepotism and potential corruption and the incompetence of the administration are so blatant that everything that sticks is good. That people blow this scandal out of proportion is due to the real scandal, all of the last x weeks, was sucked out of proportion. And calling it the highest internal tensions since 100 years is blowing the civil resistance way out of proportion as well. Foreigners are different. They care specifically about what America can do for them, rather than about internal American issues. This would make Russia interests more important to foreigners. And of course the "news sources" you cited are quite literally a joke and they behave as such. I don't exaggerate when I say that tensions are as bad as they have been in over a century. For one, there have never been two candidates with such a low approval rate, nor has there ever been such a big popular-electoral discrepancy. In terms of how fucked Congress is, I'd have to go back to the 1876 election to find partisanship quite this brutal. The actual situations have been worse at times, but it's been a long time since people have been so strongly at each other's throats. Within the US... well the political parties hate each other so much that foreign influence is a genuinely partisan issue. In a sane world, the Wikileaks release should have been universally condemned. But the situation was so toxic that it didn't work out that way. We got this whole "contents of leaks vs. Russia" situation. And the way the campaign went, it was obvious that it was more about trying to tie Trump to Russia than about actually being connected to Russia. Same deal with CF donations from Saudi Arabia. There are few people who actually are interested in a principled cleansing to remove the stench of Russian influence. It's all been about Trump and how to remove him. Some people actually care about Russia and the fact that a foreign government hacked the election. Most people care more about Trump and how to get rid of him.
I'm pretty sure there is genuine concern over the ties with Russia, as there should be.
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On February 16 2017 07:18 LegalLord wrote:
There are few people who actually are interested in a principled cleansing to remove the stench of Russian influence. It's all been about Trump and how to remove him. Some people actually care about Russia and the fact that a foreign government hacked the election. Most people care more about Trump and how to get rid of him.
this is just not true. before evidence of wrongdoing surfaced even hillary staffers were simply talking about unfairness of public releases pertaining to investigations.
the intelligence community itself is doing this because of the incredible and unprecedented threat to the foundations of this democracy. that's just it. it's the depth of bad that is trump causing all of the troubles, rather than some sort of heightened hatred or partisanship from his enemies.
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Amusing to note the irony of the current focus on fake news and propaganda dominating public discourse...
And yet, somehow, this turns out to be one of the most transparent election cycles in hindsight. Trump is doing exactly what he said he would,to the letter, with absolutely no additional thought or detail. And everything that Trump was accused of being during the election is also turning out to be true.
So kudos to Trump for being exactly the buffoon that he positioned himself as?
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On February 16 2017 07:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Amusing to note the irony of the current focus on fake news and propaganda dominating public discourse...
And yet, somehow, this turns out to be one of the most transparent election cycles in hindsight. Trump is doing exactly what he said he would,to the letter, with absolutely no additional thought or detail. And everything that Trump was accused of being during the election is also turning out to be true.
So kudos to Trump for being exactly the buffoon that he positioned himself as?
He still needs to fulfill his promise to jail Hillary, which he seems to have reneged on.
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called the use of troops in syria, we are about to knock the hell out of ISIS folks.
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On February 16 2017 07:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Amusing to note the irony of the current focus on fake news and propaganda dominating public discourse...
And yet, somehow, this turns out to be one of the most transparent election cycles in hindsight. Trump is doing exactly what he said he would,to the letter, with absolutely no additional thought or detail. And everything that Trump was accused of being during the election is also turning out to be true.
So kudos to Trump for being exactly the buffoon that he positioned himself as?
Not really the case. The problem is just the sheer quantity of things he has said, most of which contradict other statements by him. Is he going to completely eliminate the national debt, all 20T of it, for example?
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On February 16 2017 07:25 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 07:18 LegalLord wrote:
There are few people who actually are interested in a principled cleansing to remove the stench of Russian influence. It's all been about Trump and how to remove him. Some people actually care about Russia and the fact that a foreign government hacked the election. Most people care more about Trump and how to get rid of him. this is just not true. before evidence of wrongdoing surfaced even hillary staffers were simply talking about unfairness of public releases pertaining to investigations. the intelligence community itself is doing this because of the incredible and unprecedented threat to the foundations of this democracy. that's just it. it's the depth of bad that is trump causing all of the troubles, rather than some sort of heightened hatred or partisanship from his enemies.
People seem to selectively care along lines of partisanship when certain generally unpopular entities help with such revelations.
Hillary gets owned by leaks from Russia? Her supporters cry foul, Sanders and Trump people exploit the leaks. Trump gets owned by leaks from rogue executive branch employees and intelligence folk? His supporters and allies are unhappy, his opponents are gushing with excitement at how he will get owned from it.
I wonder what would happen if Russia did something that made him look like a total fool. Would we have the ol' switcheroo of Democrats being the new "we <3 Russia" party? Obviously I don't know but I can definitely say that the opposition to Russian leaks wasn't an ideological one. Nor do I expect that Russian ties within the administration would be an ideological one, but rather a pro-Trump vs. anti-Trump one.
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i mean if you are just saying, partisanship is really huge and makes people biased. then that's obviously true.
but let's not minimize the real problems around trump
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I love this new thing where we operate under the resolution passed back during Bush to send troops to the Middle East. Rather than having congress approval military actions overseas as was intended. But its pretty standard for congress now. Leave governing to the executive branch, heckle from the sidelines to get re-elected.
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