EPTAnd I'm quite sure this was the hoped-for result if it really was the Russians (which at this point seems quite convincingly to be the case). Because most of the Russian government is sane enough to know that there is no detente with the US in the near future.
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
And I'm quite sure this was the hoped-for result if it really was the Russians (which at this point seems quite convincingly to be the case). Because most of the Russian government is sane enough to know that there is no detente with the US in the near future. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 11 2017 03:58 crms wrote: so what would the ramifications of this be? I see a lot of news about X doing Y from the trump team with little to no follow-up or impact. Is it a case of 'the wheels take a long time to turn' or is nothing coming of these consistent, egregious ethics/law violations? I mean, the most you could hope for is "one guy gets punished for ethics violations." | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46679 Posts
It's backfiring. https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/constantly-wondering-if-im-hallucinating?bffbnews&utm_term=.usBPrM49A#.ldjqnN74x | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On February 11 2017 04:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Pardon the BuzzFeed, but Fox News is trying to make Bannon look good by saying he's not as bad as ISIS. It's backfiring. https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/constantly-wondering-if-im-hallucinating?bffbnews&utm_term=.usBPrM49A#.ldjqnN74x yeah when you have to dig that deep to find a favorable comparison... | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Bad optics for the side that pledges to oppose everywhere in any way it can. Just let it go. I'm sure she'll give legitimate reasons soon; she is after all pro-school choice. | ||
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chocorush
696 Posts
On February 11 2017 02:34 ZasZ. wrote: The abuse is not rare at all because [anecdotes]? Do you have any sources for this claim? My point wasn't that it's a rampant issue, it's just that it happens often enough such that it's pretty easy to explain why the belief that there is a problem is in our collective perception. I have a lot of interaction with public services, and work for the state myself and travel to other counties often enough, and everyone has observed what would generally be considered unscrupulous behavior some time or another. And it's not just government, but a large cross section of our society that will have interaction with recipients of welfare. If you're a small business owner or an employee in an industry that interacts with these people (grocery stores, retail), you're just statistically likely to eventually see somebody trying to game the system. Say 1% of the people engage in bad behavior, it would be crazier not to have seen some abuse of the system if you work with them day in and day out for years, especially when the problem people are the ones more likely to be regularly requesting more services. That people personally experience this isn't really something that I consider questionable. My general understanding of humanity is that if there is a system with rules that can be gamed, then people will game it fair and simple. On the other hand people tend to overweight the value of their own observations, and are bad at estimating the true frequency and magnitude of such occurrences. That's why it's easy for them to believe claims that welfare is going out of control, because it confirms their own observation that things are really unfair the way they are. | ||
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oBlade
United States6677 Posts
On February 11 2017 04:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Pardon the BuzzFeed, but Fox News is trying to make Bannon look good by saying he's not as bad as ISIS. It's backfiring. https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/constantly-wondering-if-im-hallucinating?bffbnews&utm_term=.usBPrM49A#.ldjqnN74x Why do people keep doing this? When you compare someone to ISIS, as USA today did, you are compelling a defense against that. They are the ones who brought this up. Not Fox. When you compare someone to Hitler, the Nazis, any of these ridiculous instances of name-calling, and someone rebuts it, you can't mockingly pretzel that into somehow proving you right. This is an obnoxious meme and it always takes the same form: "Trump wants to repeal the 19th amendment!" (just an example) -No, you just made that up in your head, it has no connection to reality. "Haha fail, isn't it sad that's the best you can say in Drumpf's defense? That he doesn't want to strip women of the right to vote?" It's like, no, they didn't bring it up, it's a direct response to an attack. Imagine someone called you a serial rapist, DPB, and you explained you weren't. Then they turned around and said "Wow, do you want a cookie, you should be so proud of yourself for somehow managing not to rape multiple people, don't set the bar too high for yourself there." Absurd attitude, isn't it. If it's the source (Fox) delivery that's causing confusion, imagine this was on a CNN news ticker instead: USA Today Compares Bannon to ISIS Leader (Fact-check: He's Not). | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46679 Posts
On February 11 2017 04:29 oBlade wrote: Why do people keep doing this? When you compare someone to ISIS, as USA today did, you are compelling a defense against that. They are the ones who brought this up. Not Fox. When you compare someone to Hitler, the Nazis, any of these ridiculous instances of name-calling, and someone rebuts it, you can't mockingly pretzel that into somehow proving you right. This is an obnoxious meme and it always takes the same form: "Trump wants to repeal the 19th amendment!" (just an example) -No, you just made that up in your head, it has no connection to reality. "Haha fail, isn't it sad that's the best you can say in Drumpf's defense? That he doesn't want to strip women of the right to vote?" It's like, no, they didn't bring it up, it's a direct response to an attack. Imagine someone called you a serial rapist, DPB, and you explained you weren't. Then they turned around and said "Wow, do you want a cookie, you should be so proud of yourself for somehow managing not to rape multiple people, don't set the bar too high for yourself there." Absurd attitude, isn't it. If it's the source (Fox) delivery that's causing confusion, imagine this was on a CNN news ticker instead: USA Today Compares Bannon to ISIS Leader (Fact-check: He's Not). I find this similar to the cases where Milo is unnecessarily given voice/ limelight by the people who hate him, when they create a louder ruckus. Don't feed the troll. Why would Fox News (or any other source) even bother humoring such a patently silly comparison? If someone called me a serial rapist, I'd tell them to fuck off and then I'd move on. I wouldn't want a TV network to broadcast anything about the topic, even if it was defending me, because that just invites scrutiny from dumb people. All Fox is doing is drawing more attention to the analogy with trying to establish a "defense", much to the glee of the people who are already looking for Fox to waste time on stupid things. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46679 Posts
On February 11 2017 04:16 LegalLord wrote: I thought the Scar comparison was hilarious. If Scar had his own evil version of Zazu, that would be Bannon. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37124 Posts
On February 11 2017 04:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Pardon the BuzzFeed, but Fox News is trying to make Bannon look good by saying he's not as bad as ISIS. It's backfiring. https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/constantly-wondering-if-im-hallucinating?bffbnews&utm_term=.usBPrM49A#.ldjqnN74x That is the best thing I've read in a while. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
On February 11 2017 04:29 oBlade wrote: Why do people keep doing this? When you compare someone to ISIS, as USA today did, you are compelling a defense against that. They are the ones who brought this up. Not Fox. When you compare someone to Hitler, the Nazis, any of these ridiculous instances of name-calling, and someone rebuts it, you can't mockingly pretzel that into somehow proving you right. This is an obnoxious meme and it always takes the same form: "Trump wants to repeal the 19th amendment!" (just an example) -No, you just made that up in your head, it has no connection to reality. "Haha fail, isn't it sad that's the best you can say in Drumpf's defense? That he doesn't want to strip women of the right to vote?" It's like, no, they didn't bring it up, it's a direct response to an attack. Imagine someone called you a serial rapist, DPB, and you explained you weren't. Then they turned around and said "Wow, do you want a cookie, you should be so proud of yourself for somehow managing not to rape multiple people, don't set the bar too high for yourself there." Absurd attitude, isn't it. If it's the source (Fox) delivery that's causing confusion, imagine this was on a CNN news ticker instead: USA Today Compares Bannon to ISIS Leader (Fact-check: He's Not). I think Ben Ghazi did it. Or maybe a Muslim president born in Kenya. Clearly it works. It just sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't it? E: oh, and you voted for the Memer-in-Chief. Are you not entertained? | ||
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oBlade
United States6677 Posts
On February 11 2017 04:49 Acrofales wrote: I think Ben Ghazi did it. Or maybe a Muslim president born in Kenya. Clearly it works. It just sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't it? I'm not part of whatever team you think I am, and whatever labels you meant to tacitly give me here are probably wrong. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On February 11 2017 04:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I find this similar to the cases where Milo is unnecessarily given voice/ limelight by the people who hate him, when they create a louder ruckus. Don't feed the troll. Why would Fox News (or any other source) even bother humoring such a patently silly comparison? If someone called me a serial rapist, I'd tell them to fuck off and then I'd move on. I wouldn't want a TV network to broadcast anything about the topic, even if it was defending me, because that just invites scrutiny from dumb people. All Fox is doing is drawing more attention to the analogy with trying to establish a "defense", much to the glee of the people who are already looking for Fox to waste time on stupid things. Because ratings man. Even though the media is going crazy over Trump they are probably secretly pleased because of all the ratings boost this reality show of an administration produces. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On February 11 2017 04:56 oBlade wrote: I'm not part of whatever team you think I am, and whatever labels you meant to tacitly give me here are probably wrong. He's not wrong though, the whole "make ridiculously false claim to get people talking and then retract it when nobody is looking" is straight out of Trump's birtherism playbook. It works, there are still millions of people in this country who think Obama is Muslim. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Elliott Abrams, who served Presidents Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, will not get the No. 2 job at the State Department, three Republican sources told CNN. But Abrams was nixed from the list of contenders after President Donald Trump learned of Abrams' biting criticism last May of his fitness to become president, the Republican sources said. The President found out about Abrams' outspokenness against Trump after meeting with him on Tuesday to consider him for the position, which would have made him Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's deputy. The meeting went well, but Trump could not get past Abrams' past criticism, the sources said. CNN | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
The way it's given, it sounds like he is looking for yes-men. I have seen little to suggest that that isn't the case. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7tRfs3P.png) For full results: + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/830052652683767808 | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On February 11 2017 05:25 crms wrote: Question was "Do you agree or disagree with the following state: 'The bowling green massacre shows why we need Donald Trump's executive order on immigration?" + Show Spoiler + For full results: + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/830052652683767808 Now the fun follow up is if 90% of Clinton voters disagree because they're anti-Trump or because they know there is no such thing as the Bowling Green Massacre. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46679 Posts
On February 11 2017 05:25 crms wrote: Question was "Do you agree or disagree with the following state: 'The bowling green massacre shows why we need Donald Trump's executive order on immigration?" + Show Spoiler + For full results: + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/830052652683767808 Wow, talk about a pretty clear split: Trump voters still getting trolled hard. Clinton voters seem well-informed. Third party voters don't really know. | ||
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