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Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all. 
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On December 05 2013 06:01 farvacola wrote:Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all.
Happy birthday.
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only when someone attacks sarah palin we get upset about 'simple decency'? K, whatever.
On December 05 2013 06:25 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:21 Roe wrote:
only when someone attacks sarah palin we get upset about 'simple decency'? K, whatever. Ugh, can we not do the left wing vs right wing media thing here please? That whole debate is a study in confirmation bias.
You're getting WAY ahead of yourself
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On December 05 2013 06:21 Roe wrote:
only when someone attacks sarah palin we get upset about 'simple decency'? K, whatever.
Ugh, can we not do the left wing vs right wing media thing here please? That whole debate is a study in confirmation bias.
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On December 05 2013 06:01 farvacola wrote:Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all.
Obviously it's a content issue. I tend to think that the problem with the content is that MSNBC (and CNN for that matter) has inferior on-air talent. It's same issue with liberal talk radio.
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On December 05 2013 06:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:01 farvacola wrote:Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all. Obviously it's a content issue. I tend to think that the problem with the content is that MSNBC (and CNN for that matter) has inferior on-air talent. It's same issue with liberal talk radio.
How do you see content as the same as on-air talent? I see the latter as personality, being able to speak properly and emphasize certain points using your voice. Content is just the facts of the discussion.
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On December 05 2013 06:30 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:26 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:01 farvacola wrote:Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all. Obviously it's a content issue. I tend to think that the problem with the content is that MSNBC (and CNN for that matter) has inferior on-air talent. It's same issue with liberal talk radio. How do you see content as the same as on-air talent? I see the latter as personality, being able to speak properly and emphasize certain points using your voice. Content is just the facts of the discussion.
"Content" is an industry term that simply refers to whatever is being broadcast. Thus, content includes talent.
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On December 05 2013 06:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:01 farvacola wrote:Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all. Obviously it's a content issue. I tend to think that the problem with the content is that MSNBC (and CNN for that matter) has inferior on-air talent. It's same issue with liberal talk radio.
lol.
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On December 05 2013 06:32 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:30 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:26 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:01 farvacola wrote:Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all. Obviously it's a content issue. I tend to think that the problem with the content is that MSNBC (and CNN for that matter) has inferior on-air talent. It's same issue with liberal talk radio. How do you see content as the same as on-air talent? I see the latter as personality, being able to speak properly and emphasize certain points using your voice. Content is just the facts of the discussion. "Content" is an industry term that simply refers to whatever is being broadcast. Thus, content includes talent.
I don't think the average american thinks of it in these terms.
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On December 05 2013 06:53 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:30 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:26 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:01 farvacola wrote:Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all. Obviously it's a content issue. I tend to think that the problem with the content is that MSNBC (and CNN for that matter) has inferior on-air talent. It's same issue with liberal talk radio. How do you see content as the same as on-air talent? I see the latter as personality, being able to speak properly and emphasize certain points using your voice. Content is just the facts of the discussion. "Content" is an industry term that simply refers to whatever is being broadcast. Thus, content includes talent. I don't think the average american thinks of it in these terms.
The average American has no idea what things like neuropsychology or toxicology are, either. It doesn't matter what the average American thinks. I'm simply using the proper terms.
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On December 05 2013 06:58 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:53 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:30 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:26 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:01 farvacola wrote:Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all. Obviously it's a content issue. I tend to think that the problem with the content is that MSNBC (and CNN for that matter) has inferior on-air talent. It's same issue with liberal talk radio. How do you see content as the same as on-air talent? I see the latter as personality, being able to speak properly and emphasize certain points using your voice. Content is just the facts of the discussion. "Content" is an industry term that simply refers to whatever is being broadcast. Thus, content includes talent. I don't think the average american thinks of it in these terms. The average American has no idea what things like neuropsychology or toxicology are, either. It doesn't matter what the average American thinks. I'm simply using the proper terms.
thanks for enlightening us mere mortals.
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On December 05 2013 07:02 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:53 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:30 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:26 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:01 farvacola wrote:Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all. Obviously it's a content issue. I tend to think that the problem with the content is that MSNBC (and CNN for that matter) has inferior on-air talent. It's same issue with liberal talk radio. How do you see content as the same as on-air talent? I see the latter as personality, being able to speak properly and emphasize certain points using your voice. Content is just the facts of the discussion. "Content" is an industry term that simply refers to whatever is being broadcast. Thus, content includes talent. I don't think the average american thinks of it in these terms. The average American has no idea what things like neuropsychology or toxicology are, either. It doesn't matter what the average American thinks. I'm simply using the proper terms. thanks for enlightening us mere mortals.
Given comments like this, it seems like there's a lot more enlightening to be done.
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On December 05 2013 04:11 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +Washington (CNN) -- Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, one of Obamacare's architects and staunchest supporters, is also the only top congressional leader to exempt some of his staff from having to buy insurance through the law's new exchanges.
Reid is the exception among the other top congressional leaders. GOP House Speaker John Boehner, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell have all directed their staffs to join the exchange, their aides said.
After website woes, President pushes benefits of Obamacare
In the charged atmosphere surrounding Obamacare, Reid's decision only gives Republicans more ammo to attack Democrats already suffering politically from the law's botched rollout.
In September, Reid told reporters, "Let's stop these really juvenile political games -- the one dealing with health care for senators and House members and our staff. We are going to be part of exchanges, that's what the law says and we'll be part of that." sourceOops.
Harry Reid is an asshole but it isn't an "oops" to let his staff keep their employer-provided medical care instead of deliberately fucking them over just to make a political point: it's a good thing. "If Obamacare is so great, then why would anyone rather have their healthcare paid for instead of paying for it themselves on the exchanges" is such a stupid question I can't believe anyone would think it's a serious argument for or against anything.
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On December 05 2013 07:29 HunterX11 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:11 Danglars wrote:Washington (CNN) -- Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, one of Obamacare's architects and staunchest supporters, is also the only top congressional leader to exempt some of his staff from having to buy insurance through the law's new exchanges.
Reid is the exception among the other top congressional leaders. GOP House Speaker John Boehner, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell have all directed their staffs to join the exchange, their aides said.
After website woes, President pushes benefits of Obamacare
In the charged atmosphere surrounding Obamacare, Reid's decision only gives Republicans more ammo to attack Democrats already suffering politically from the law's botched rollout.
In September, Reid told reporters, "Let's stop these really juvenile political games -- the one dealing with health care for senators and House members and our staff. We are going to be part of exchanges, that's what the law says and we'll be part of that." sourceOops. Harry Reid is an asshole but it isn't an "oops" to let his staff keep their employer-provided medical care instead of deliberately fucking them over just to make a political point: it's a good thing. "If Obamacare is so great, then why would anyone rather have their healthcare paid for instead of paying for it themselves on the exchanges" is such a stupid question I can't believe anyone would think it's a serious argument for or against anything.
Honestly, he prolly just asked his staff to see what they wanted and went with that.
You can also take the flip side of this and point out that all the republican leaders opted their staffs into the exchanges despite their opposition to the law.
Also the staff get reimbursed for what they buy on the exchanges, they don't have to pay it out of pocket.
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On December 05 2013 06:21 Roe wrote:only when someone attacks sarah palin we get upset about 'simple decency'? K, whatever. Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:25 packrat386 wrote:On December 05 2013 06:21 Roe wrote:
only when someone attacks sarah palin we get upset about 'simple decency'? K, whatever. Ugh, can we not do the left wing vs right wing media thing here please? That whole debate is a study in confirmation bias. You're getting WAY ahead of yourself
Bashir himself said the words were "wholly unacceptable" and "brought shame to my colleagues and friends at this network".
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On December 05 2013 06:58 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:53 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:30 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:26 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:01 farvacola wrote:Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all. Obviously it's a content issue. I tend to think that the problem with the content is that MSNBC (and CNN for that matter) has inferior on-air talent. It's same issue with liberal talk radio. How do you see content as the same as on-air talent? I see the latter as personality, being able to speak properly and emphasize certain points using your voice. Content is just the facts of the discussion. "Content" is an industry term that simply refers to whatever is being broadcast. Thus, content includes talent. I don't think the average american thinks of it in these terms. The average American has no idea what things like neuropsychology or toxicology are, either. It doesn't matter what the average American thinks. I'm simply using the proper terms.
Your point about simple decency was related to the country itself, wasn't it? I'm not quite sure what your point has been through the last page actually.
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On December 05 2013 08:12 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:53 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:30 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:26 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:01 farvacola wrote:Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all. Obviously it's a content issue. I tend to think that the problem with the content is that MSNBC (and CNN for that matter) has inferior on-air talent. It's same issue with liberal talk radio. How do you see content as the same as on-air talent? I see the latter as personality, being able to speak properly and emphasize certain points using your voice. Content is just the facts of the discussion. "Content" is an industry term that simply refers to whatever is being broadcast. Thus, content includes talent. I don't think the average american thinks of it in these terms. The average American has no idea what things like neuropsychology or toxicology are, either. It doesn't matter what the average American thinks. I'm simply using the proper terms. Your point about simple decency was related to the country itself, wasn't it? I'm not quite sure what your point has been through the last page actually.
I have no doubt given your responses to my posts.
I'm not really arguing anything. I was just amused by Bashir's "resignation." Make whatever you want of my throwaway comment about "simple decency." I don't think that there's any debating that Bashir's comments fall outside of any honest definition of the term. The only thing that I really threw out that is argumentative (in response to farv) was that MSNBC and other liberal TV/radio outlets underperform compared to their conservative counterparts because they have inferior on-air talent -- ie Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, O'Reilly, etc are simply better at what they do than anyone on the liberal networks. Now, I've heard all sorts of complicated social and demographic explanations for why conservative media outperforms liberal media on cable and talk radio, but I'm not ready to buy into those until the obvious talent deficiency is accounted for.
EDIT: Before anyone says it, I do think that Jon Stewart and Colbert are excellent at what they do and belong in the same conversation as the other guys that I mentioned. The difference is that they're on Comedy Central instead of MSNBC/CNN.
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I concur that Fox news has much better on-air talent; and is generally more entertaining.
CNN used to be a place for really high quality news reporting, but that was a decade or two ago; their standards have slipped considerably.
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On December 05 2013 07:47 DeltaX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 07:29 HunterX11 wrote:On December 05 2013 04:11 Danglars wrote:Washington (CNN) -- Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, one of Obamacare's architects and staunchest supporters, is also the only top congressional leader to exempt some of his staff from having to buy insurance through the law's new exchanges.
Reid is the exception among the other top congressional leaders. GOP House Speaker John Boehner, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell have all directed their staffs to join the exchange, their aides said.
After website woes, President pushes benefits of Obamacare
In the charged atmosphere surrounding Obamacare, Reid's decision only gives Republicans more ammo to attack Democrats already suffering politically from the law's botched rollout.
In September, Reid told reporters, "Let's stop these really juvenile political games -- the one dealing with health care for senators and House members and our staff. We are going to be part of exchanges, that's what the law says and we'll be part of that." sourceOops. Harry Reid is an asshole but it isn't an "oops" to let his staff keep their employer-provided medical care instead of deliberately fucking them over just to make a political point: it's a good thing. "If Obamacare is so great, then why would anyone rather have their healthcare paid for instead of paying for it themselves on the exchanges" is such a stupid question I can't believe anyone would think it's a serious argument for or against anything. Honestly, he prolly just asked his staff to see what they wanted and went with that. You can also take the flip side of this and point out that all the republican leaders opted their staffs into the exchanges despite their opposition to the law. Also the staff get reimbursed for what they buy on the exchanges, they don't have to pay it out of pocket.
My bad; I didn't realize they were getting reimbursed (though it's still ridiculous to make people who work for you part of a political game, and really goes to show just how much empathy our members of Congress have).
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On December 05 2013 08:08 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 06:21 Roe wrote:only when someone attacks sarah palin we get upset about 'simple decency'? K, whatever. On December 05 2013 06:25 packrat386 wrote:On December 05 2013 06:21 Roe wrote:
only when someone attacks sarah palin we get upset about 'simple decency'? K, whatever. Ugh, can we not do the left wing vs right wing media thing here please? That whole debate is a study in confirmation bias. You're getting WAY ahead of yourself Bashir himself said the words were "wholly unacceptable" and "brought shame to my colleagues and friends at this network".
I quite enjoyed the segment. Martin Bashir needs more air time.
On December 05 2013 08:27 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 08:12 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:53 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:30 Roe wrote:On December 05 2013 06:26 xDaunt wrote:On December 05 2013 06:01 farvacola wrote:Plain-faced truisms like "simple decency" should go back to the1950's where they belong to be quite frank. That being said, Bashir probably should have been fired lol. There's a bit of ivory tower media theory at work in how the conservatism of Fox News seems to succeed while the liberal MSNBC seems to flounder, but I'll spare y'all. Obviously it's a content issue. I tend to think that the problem with the content is that MSNBC (and CNN for that matter) has inferior on-air talent. It's same issue with liberal talk radio. How do you see content as the same as on-air talent? I see the latter as personality, being able to speak properly and emphasize certain points using your voice. Content is just the facts of the discussion. "Content" is an industry term that simply refers to whatever is being broadcast. Thus, content includes talent. I don't think the average american thinks of it in these terms. The average American has no idea what things like neuropsychology or toxicology are, either. It doesn't matter what the average American thinks. I'm simply using the proper terms. Your point about simple decency was related to the country itself, wasn't it? I'm not quite sure what your point has been through the last page actually. I have no doubt given your responses to my posts. I'm not really arguing anything. I was just amused by Bashir's "resignation." Make whatever you want of my throwaway comment about "simple decency." I don't think that there's any debating that Bashir's comments fall outside of any honest definition of the term. The only thing that I really threw out that is argumentative (in response to farv) was that MSNBC and other liberal TV/radio outlets underperform compared to their conservative counterparts because they have inferior on-air talent -- ie Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, O'Reilly, etc are simply better at what they do than anyone on the liberal networks. Now, I've heard all sorts of complicated social and demographic explanations for why conservative media outperforms liberal media on cable and talk radio, but I'm not ready to buy into those until the obvious talent deficiency is accounted for. EDIT: Before anyone says it, I do think that Jon Stewart and Colbert are excellent at what they do and belong in the same conversation as the other guys that I mentioned. The difference is that they're on Comedy Central instead of MSNBC/CNN.
Sarah Palin is a buffoon. It would be simple decency to stop giving her publicity. She should go back to her Alaskan home and resume her simple petty life. It's a complete accident anyone ever paid attention to her.
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