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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 27 2017 17:26 GMT
#133321
well the trumpkin worldview is a shadowplay of a few evil actors. as long as trump keeps on bashing those few perceived evil actors he should keep a firm hold onto his base.

defeating trump just involves getting back those few states in the midwest. run some ex-military populist sounding guy.

btw i do think a high tariff spike would hurt trump supporters. it's just more due to the general economic disruption. so something of a crash due to smoot hawley esque tariffs could happen, but i don't think trump would be up for it. bannon might be up for it.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-27 17:29:00
January 27 2017 17:28 GMT
#133322
This Pence speech is infuriatingly ignorant. Adoptive families? That is the solution? Guess that's why every orphanage and foster home in America is already empty right? And I fucking hate the line "...endowed by our creator...". Why is that in any document relating to our governance? I had to turn it off because I'm at work and on the verge of raging. Ignorant fucks at that march.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10700 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-27 17:29:39
January 27 2017 17:29 GMT
#133323
Down the drain.
A buffoon got elected and strangely, after being sworn in, still acts like one.


Sorry to all buffoons
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
January 27 2017 17:29 GMT
#133324
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

Hillary Clinton garnered more than 800,000 votes from noncitizens on Nov. 8, an approximation far short of President Trump’s estimate of up to 5 million illegal voters but supportive of his charges of fraud.
Political scientist Jesse Richman of Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia, has worked with colleagues to produce groundbreaking research on noncitizen voting, and this week he posted a blog in response to Mr. Trump’s assertion.
Based on national polling by a consortium of universities, a report by Mr. Richman said 6.4 percent of the estimated 20 million adult noncitizens in the U.S. voted in November. He extrapolated that that percentage would have added 834,381 net votes for Mrs. Clinton, who received about 2.8 million more votes than Mr. Trump.
sorry for dem one liners
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
January 27 2017 17:30 GMT
#133325
On January 28 2017 02:26 oneofthem wrote:
btw i do think a high tariff spike would hurt trump supporters. it's just more due to the general economic disruption. so something of a crash due to smoot hawley esque tariffs could happen, but i don't think trump would be up for it. bannon might be up for it.


So does elimination of a lot of social programs. But the key thing is that these poor whites don't see themselves as poor. Many people who would be eligible for food stamps do not want them because they would see it as labeling themselves as poor and unable to care for themselves. They are angry at the elite for making them struggle financially, and yet, they do not consider themselves poor.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 27 2017 17:32 GMT
#133326
On January 28 2017 02:30 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 02:26 oneofthem wrote:
btw i do think a high tariff spike would hurt trump supporters. it's just more due to the general economic disruption. so something of a crash due to smoot hawley esque tariffs could happen, but i don't think trump would be up for it. bannon might be up for it.


So does elimination of a lot of social programs. But the key thing is that these poor whites don't see themselves as poor. Many people who would be eligible for food stamps do not want them because they would see it as labeling themselves as poor and unable to care for themselves. They are angry at the elite for making them struggle financially, and yet, they do not consider themselves poor.

yea, it's just a shadowplay of evil elites vs them. this scenario serves as the universal explanation of all ills.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10700 Posts
January 27 2017 17:36 GMT
#133327
On January 28 2017 02:29 NukeD wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

Show nested quote +
Hillary Clinton garnered more than 800,000 votes from noncitizens on Nov. 8, an approximation far short of President Trump’s estimate of up to 5 million illegal voters but supportive of his charges of fraud.
Political scientist Jesse Richman of Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia, has worked with colleagues to produce groundbreaking research on noncitizen voting, and this week he posted a blog in response to Mr. Trump’s assertion.
Based on national polling by a consortium of universities, a report by Mr. Richman said 6.4 percent of the estimated 20 million adult noncitizens in the U.S. voted in November. He extrapolated that that percentage would have added 834,381 net votes for Mrs. Clinton, who received about 2.8 million more votes than Mr. Trump.



That "study" is ridiculous beyond belief. Just google for it. Its beyond cringeworthy, its so bad, you don't even need a math/statistics/whatever degree to just "see" it.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21668 Posts
January 27 2017 17:37 GMT
#133328
On January 28 2017 02:30 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 02:26 oneofthem wrote:
btw i do think a high tariff spike would hurt trump supporters. it's just more due to the general economic disruption. so something of a crash due to smoot hawley esque tariffs could happen, but i don't think trump would be up for it. bannon might be up for it.


So does elimination of a lot of social programs. But the key thing is that these poor whites don't see themselves as poor. Many people who would be eligible for food stamps do not want them because they would see it as labeling themselves as poor and unable to care for themselves. They are angry at the elite for making them struggle financially, and yet, they do not consider themselves poor.

There are no poor people in America. Just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
January 27 2017 17:39 GMT
#133329
On January 28 2017 02:36 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 02:29 NukeD wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

Hillary Clinton garnered more than 800,000 votes from noncitizens on Nov. 8, an approximation far short of President Trump’s estimate of up to 5 million illegal voters but supportive of his charges of fraud.
Political scientist Jesse Richman of Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia, has worked with colleagues to produce groundbreaking research on noncitizen voting, and this week he posted a blog in response to Mr. Trump’s assertion.
Based on national polling by a consortium of universities, a report by Mr. Richman said 6.4 percent of the estimated 20 million adult noncitizens in the U.S. voted in November. He extrapolated that that percentage would have added 834,381 net votes for Mrs. Clinton, who received about 2.8 million more votes than Mr. Trump.



That "study" is ridiculous beyond belief. Just google for it. Its beyond cringeworthy, its so bad, you don't even need a math/statistics/whatever degree to just "see" it.

I did and you are right!
sorry for dem one liners
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17983 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-27 17:55:31
January 27 2017 17:47 GMT
#133330
On January 28 2017 02:36 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 02:29 NukeD wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

Hillary Clinton garnered more than 800,000 votes from noncitizens on Nov. 8, an approximation far short of President Trump’s estimate of up to 5 million illegal voters but supportive of his charges of fraud.
Political scientist Jesse Richman of Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia, has worked with colleagues to produce groundbreaking research on noncitizen voting, and this week he posted a blog in response to Mr. Trump’s assertion.
Based on national polling by a consortium of universities, a report by Mr. Richman said 6.4 percent of the estimated 20 million adult noncitizens in the U.S. voted in November. He extrapolated that that percentage would have added 834,381 net votes for Mrs. Clinton, who received about 2.8 million more votes than Mr. Trump.



That "study" is ridiculous beyond belief. Just google for it. Its beyond cringeworthy, its so bad, you don't even need a math/statistics/whatever degree to just "see" it.

I think this piece here gives a pretty good view of the whole issue: https://www.wired.com/2017/01/author-trumps-favorite-voter-fraud-study-says-everyones-wrong/

In other words, there's people who say the whole study is wrong (internet poll + non-citizens shouldn't have been doing it in the first place, and the sample size is too small). But if we assume that the study is methodologically sound, then Trump is still using it completely wrong (and the real number of illegal votes would be ~800,000, which is still a lot). My own gut feeling says that the data cannot be trusted, because of the reasons above, and thus any conclusions drawn from that data should be highly mistrusted.

Moreover, it shows how difficult an issue this is to even gather data on.

EDIT: okay, I take that back. The study is methodologically bollocks. A sample size (from an INTERNET poll) of 94 non-citizens. That's about 1/4 the size you'd need to say much of anything about a population of 20,000,000 (their estimate of total non-citizens in the US) if you had a true random sample. So... nope.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 27 2017 17:52 GMT
#133331
On January 28 2017 02:37 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 02:30 Mohdoo wrote:
On January 28 2017 02:26 oneofthem wrote:
btw i do think a high tariff spike would hurt trump supporters. it's just more due to the general economic disruption. so something of a crash due to smoot hawley esque tariffs could happen, but i don't think trump would be up for it. bannon might be up for it.


So does elimination of a lot of social programs. But the key thing is that these poor whites don't see themselves as poor. Many people who would be eligible for food stamps do not want them because they would see it as labeling themselves as poor and unable to care for themselves. They are angry at the elite for making them struggle financially, and yet, they do not consider themselves poor.

There are no poor people in America. Just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.


alternative rich people.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
January 27 2017 17:53 GMT
#133332
On January 28 2017 02:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 02:37 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 28 2017 02:30 Mohdoo wrote:
On January 28 2017 02:26 oneofthem wrote:
btw i do think a high tariff spike would hurt trump supporters. it's just more due to the general economic disruption. so something of a crash due to smoot hawley esque tariffs could happen, but i don't think trump would be up for it. bannon might be up for it.


So does elimination of a lot of social programs. But the key thing is that these poor whites don't see themselves as poor. Many people who would be eligible for food stamps do not want them because they would see it as labeling themselves as poor and unable to care for themselves. They are angry at the elite for making them struggle financially, and yet, they do not consider themselves poor.

There are no poor people in America. Just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.


alternative rich people.


Rofl
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
January 27 2017 17:56 GMT
#133333
On January 28 2017 02:53 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 02:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
On January 28 2017 02:37 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 28 2017 02:30 Mohdoo wrote:
On January 28 2017 02:26 oneofthem wrote:
btw i do think a high tariff spike would hurt trump supporters. it's just more due to the general economic disruption. so something of a crash due to smoot hawley esque tariffs could happen, but i don't think trump would be up for it. bannon might be up for it.


So does elimination of a lot of social programs. But the key thing is that these poor whites don't see themselves as poor. Many people who would be eligible for food stamps do not want them because they would see it as labeling themselves as poor and unable to care for themselves. They are angry at the elite for making them struggle financially, and yet, they do not consider themselves poor.

There are no poor people in America. Just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.


alternative rich people.


Rofl

I don't know how common this one is, but I laughed quite hard when an estonian pundit today called the American consumers likely to pay for the wall "alternative mexicans".
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-27 18:35:59
January 27 2017 18:30 GMT
#133334
On January 28 2017 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 01:36 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
I am genuinely wondering what the poeple in the US think of Trump being told to fuck off by the president of Mexico.
Wasnt he supposed to be a great negotiator? Why did the President bypass the diplomatic channels to adress Pena Nieto directly via Twitter?



I think it's great that a bully is being told to fuck off, and I hope every other country follows suit when Trump inevitably tries to strongarm them without any diplomacy or consideration for other people.


The mexican president has a cartel gun to his head and his approval ratings are down to something like 12%

What the mexican president did is neither brave or good for mexico. All it does is save the president some face while Trump gets to do whatever he wants. Now he can say that mexico excused themselves away from the negotiation table, and then later say that "Mexico wasn't willing to negotiate."

Not to mention the fact that he can point to human rights violations, and evidence of political corruption to start the process of inflicting sanctions on them.
"Mudkip"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 27 2017 18:44 GMT
#133335
On January 28 2017 03:30 Madkipz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 28 2017 01:36 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
I am genuinely wondering what the poeple in the US think of Trump being told to fuck off by the president of Mexico.
Wasnt he supposed to be a great negotiator? Why did the President bypass the diplomatic channels to adress Pena Nieto directly via Twitter?



I think it's great that a bully is being told to fuck off, and I hope every other country follows suit when Trump inevitably tries to strongarm them without any diplomacy or consideration for other people.


The mexican president has a cartel gun to his head and his approval ratings are down to something like 12%

What the mexican president did is neither brave or good for mexico. All it does is save the president some face while Trump gets to do whatever he wants. Now he can say that mexico excused themselves away from the negotiation table, and then later say that "Mexico wasn't willing to negotiate."

Not to mention the fact that he can point to human rights violations, and evidence of political corruption to start the process of inflicting sanctions on them.

Frankly, I think that what Nieto did was exceedingly selfish. His saving face is not going to translate into a decent outcome for Mexico given Trump's agenda.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-27 18:51:00
January 27 2017 18:47 GMT
#133336
Mexico has relatively no bargaining power compared to the USA. Do you guys really feel the trade deficit with mexico is justified? Mexico will ultimately end up paying for this wall, the only question is will Trump spare them the public humiliation. That is what the pm is negotiating at the moment, the public humiliation, not anything else.
Question.?
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
January 27 2017 18:48 GMT
#133337
Will it turn in a decent outcome for the US, when Trump treats all US allies like this?
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 27 2017 18:48 GMT
#133338
On January 28 2017 03:30 Madkipz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 02:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 28 2017 01:36 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
I am genuinely wondering what the poeple in the US think of Trump being told to fuck off by the president of Mexico.
Wasnt he supposed to be a great negotiator? Why did the President bypass the diplomatic channels to adress Pena Nieto directly via Twitter?



I think it's great that a bully is being told to fuck off, and I hope every other country follows suit when Trump inevitably tries to strongarm them without any diplomacy or consideration for other people.


The mexican president has a cartel gun to his head and his approval ratings are down to something like 12%

What the mexican president did is neither brave or good for mexico. All it does is save the president some face while Trump gets to do whatever he wants. Now he can say that mexico excused themselves away from the negotiation table, and then later say that "Mexico wasn't willing to negotiate."

Not to mention the fact that he can point to human rights violations, and evidence of political corruption to start the process of inflicting sanctions on them.

Trump's stance is "Mexico will pay for the wall", not "we will have a mutually beneficial agreement with Mexico that will get the US a wall". There is no negotiation with that, stepping to the table tells the US (and Mexican citizens) that you are even remotely considering hurting your own economy for an American vanity project.

Importantly, this sets the stage for the US and Mexico in terms of international standing. If the US bullies one country for money, that jeopardizes trade agreements and negotiations with other countries. And if Mexico is put into unfair sanctions by the US, that creates the opportunity for the rest of the world to apply economic pressures on the US in response.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
January 27 2017 18:48 GMT
#133339
On January 28 2017 00:39 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2017 00:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:49 Acrofales wrote:
On January 27 2017 23:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I can't help but find the mind-bogglingly dumb mistakes like tweeting a photo of the inauguration with the wrong date and having no one in the administration able to spell Theresa May's name somewhat cathartic amongst all the discussions implying that Trump's presidency is some master gamesmanship plan.

One thing's for sure: the incompetence aspects leftover from the campaign (not registering delegates to national conventions/not applying in a timely manner to general election ballots/etc.) are here to stay.

It's been 16 years, so I can't really compare. Is Trump actually completely incompetent, or is this the same kind of stuff we got with "Bush or Chimp?", Bushisms and the relentless flow of people making fun of Dubya? Despite him being a fairly intelligent man according to more levelheaded opinions.

That said, Dubya 2.0 would be a bad enough blow for the world. So I'm not sure it really makes much of a difference whether Trump is an absolute moron, or simply looks like one any time he opens his mouth/twitter account. Because at the end of the day, George W. Bush's policies cast the world into a ruinous recession (sure, it wasn't all him, but it was on his watch), and two disastrous wars that achieved absolutely nothing in the long run, regardless of whether you agree with his intentions or not.


Personally, I would far prefer another GWB term over Trump. GWB might have been dumb, but he was a good, respectful human being, and didn't go out of his way to marginalize every possible group of Americans. Heck, GWB had to make a statement during 9/11, and he kept it together and noted that this was not an attack by all Muslims or mainstream Islam, but instead by radical terrorists, which was not only true but it was also aimed at minimizing anti-Muslim American sentiment, which was the right thing to do. Could you imagine Trump handling 9/11? He'd nuke the entire Middle East and lynch all Muslim Americans. And he'd probably Tweet pictures of that too.

Not only is Trump dumb and unqualified (to the point where I've regrettably had to start tuning out the few delusional people who still think he's some sort of masterful genius who only fakes being an idiot), but he's also malevolent and ill-intentioned. He's actually a bad person, not just a bad president and bad representative of the American people.


I think this is going to be the time when people start to realize that society isn't some divine, given, totally guaranteed, stable framework for humanity. Things have been so stable and decent that everyone started getting spoiled and wanting their dream list. Clinton, Bush1+2 etc kept the lights on and kept things moving mostly forward, on a macroscopic scale.

I hope these next 4 years give people a wake up call and start to realize that boring isn't so bad.

People just aren't satisfied to see someone keep the lights on. At this point they're going dim and people really want someone to replace them with something more reliable, even if it means we will have to live with candles and flashlights for a while. Because the status quo is simply not willing to be self-correcting at this point - some people just have too much to gain to be willing to help out those for whom it's getting worse.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
January 27 2017 18:53 GMT
#133340
On January 28 2017 03:48 mahrgell wrote:
Will it turn in a decent outcome for the US, when Trump treats all US allies like this?

Probably not, but this isn't Trump's doing alone. He is just the manifestation of what a certain swath of the population has wanted for a while now.

Protectionism and isolationism has lots of support here in the states. Obama just offered an alternative vision of it that was less popular than he was.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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