EPTsorry If it initially came off as rude. I just woke up and guess I was sort of trying to make a joke.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
sorry If it initially came off as rude. I just woke up and guess I was sort of trying to make a joke. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
http://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-unsc-resolution-approved-dec-23-demanding-israel-stop-all-settlement-activity/ | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On December 24 2016 04:12 LegalLord wrote: Russia is the one nation taking a principled stand against a lot of things that populists hate. Can you elaborate? And do you really think the populists know what stances Russia is taking? | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On December 24 2016 04:04 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/12/23/506616208/if-republicans-repeal-health-law-paying-for-a-replacement-could-be-tough Obamacare could well be a giant landmine Republicans are walking into. Shit could go really bad if they mess with it in the wrong way. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On December 24 2016 05:05 Doodsmack wrote: Can you elaborate? And do you really think the populists know what stances Russia is taking? Russia is pretty much the leading anti-globalization country right now, a nation of "old Europe" that many would like to revive, and it's done well in Syria. The sentiment is of the "strong leader" sort that is popular among Republicans. There is also the general backlash against liberalism, including with the refugee crisis. Also an anti-American-imperialism nation, though that's more popular in the developing world. I'm talking sentiment more so than policy right now. | ||
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Lionsguard
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On December 24 2016 03:49 Doodsmack wrote: Yeah the Republican shift toward Putin just because their candidate benefitted from him is pretty disturbing. The real lesson of this election, for both sides, should be the influence of bias on our thinking. The establishment and MSM lied to us before about weapons of mass destruction to start a disastrous war in the Middle East while lining their own pockets. What's stopping them from lying again to start a pointless war with Russia that fractures Europe? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 24 2016 04:52 LegalLord wrote: Israel was lobbying for the US to veto a resolution in the UNSC condemning settlements. US abstained, and the motion passed. http://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-unsc-resolution-approved-dec-23-demanding-israel-stop-all-settlement-activity/ Nice little middle finger to Israel on his way out. Reuters has a source saying Kerry's state department engineered the move to put it through ("President Obama and Secretary Kerry are behind this shameful move against Israel at the UN") But Obama's nearly out of there and we can return to same treatment of Israel. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Lionsguard
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![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/en4w3wehic5y.jpg) Some very colorful choice of language coming from Putin in addressing Trump. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On December 24 2016 07:37 LegalLord wrote: Obama's "successful foreign policy president" argument, while potentially valid back during his 2012 campaign, is starting to look hilarious right now. It was reasonably believable when he was just off of catching bin Laden and Libya and Syria had not yet become disasters, but by now it borders on absurdity. 2012-2016 have been some of the rockiest FP years in a long while and Obama contributed badly to the conflicts that arose. As usual I somewhat disagree. I agree it wasn't amazing or successful even. but I wouldn't call it a super failure; he has somewhat succeeded in keeping costs low, and not getting too involved in quagmires. And I'm not sure anything would've led to a good outcome in libya or syria, all it can do is change which bad outcome happens. i.e. it's like a president failing to solve the israel/palestine issue; I wouldn't hold that against a president, as it's not really feasible to get done by anyone. | ||
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oBlade
United States5589 Posts
On December 24 2016 07:44 Lionsguard wrote: + Show Spoiler + Some very colorful choice of language coming from Putin in addressing Trump. It's not that colorful, POTUS is styled as His Excellency internationally. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 24 2016 08:24 oBlade wrote: It's not that colorful, POTUS is styled as His Excellency internationally. Trump isn't really hard to figure out. If you treat him well, he will treat you well. If you fuck with him or his interests, he will come at you. Putin understands this. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On December 24 2016 08:29 xDaunt wrote: Trump isn't really hard to figure out. If you treat him well, he will treat you well. If you fuck with him or his interests, he will come at you. Putin understands this. Translation: our President is easy to play and dupe. You literally just admitted he acts according to who treats HIM well, not what is best for the country. We're already seeing this with Russia. Does anybody doubt that Putin knew Trump's response to his arsenal rhetoric would be over the top? Of course he knew and it only empowers the Russian hardliners. He won't be the last foreign leader dictating US foreign policy through Trump in the next 4 years. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On December 24 2016 08:29 xDaunt wrote: Trump isn't really hard to figure out. If you treat him well, he will treat you well. If you fuck with him or his interests, he will come at you. Putin understands this. great attitude for the leader of a crime syndicate, not so much for a president | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
If you want to understand how badly Democrats lost the white working class in the 2016 election, your local fire station is not a bad place to start. Nearly 85 percent of professional firefighters are white, and more than 95 percent are men, making them look a lot like the other blue-collar voters who surged to Donald Trump this year. But firefighters are also heavily unionized, tend to live in cities or suburbs (rural areas often have volunteer fire companies) and are government employees — all factors generally associated with the Democratic Party. And all of those characteristics, along with the fact that firefighters are roughly evenly distributed across the country, make the group a microcosm of the larger breakup between working-class whites and the Democratic Party this year. In 2008, members of the International Association of Fire Fighters, the profession's main union, voted narrowly for Barack Obama over John McCain, according to an internal poll conducted by the union at the time. Four years later, the margin shrunk, but they still voted by a razor's edge to re-elect Obama. Even as the group was slowly drifting away from Democrats at the presidential level, members continued to vote reliably Democratic further down the ballot, where decisions about issues like collective bargaining rights and retirement security are more tangible. In 2012, for instance, they opted for Democratic Senate candidates over Republicans by an 8-point margin. But in 2016, support for Democrats among firefighters cratered. When the IAFF union polled its members after the election last month, just 27 percent said they had voted for Hillary Clinton. Nearly twice that number, 50 percent, reported voting for Donald Trump, while an unusually large chunk refused to answer... According to Harold Schaitberger, who has been the union's president for more than 15 years, the Democratic Party left his members behind — not the other way around — when it went all in on a bet to win minorities and college-educated whites and lost focus on its traditional blue-collar base. "They talk about a sector of working-class membership, and particularly those that look like me, and they almost speak about us in a disparaging way," said Schaitberge http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/how-firefighters-help-explain-outcome-2016-election-n699196 | ||
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Sermokala
United States13935 Posts
On December 24 2016 04:30 RvB wrote: You can calculate the costs of a prison inmate in a public prison and then give them less than that. Let's say the average prison inmate costs 100k. You can pay the private prison 90k. How would they put pressure on police departments to keep ex convicts on the street? Isn't it the judge who decides whether someone goes to prison? THe most reliable way to keep ex convicts on the streets would then be to change the law to make it harder to get in prison. But that would be counterproductive since laws are for everyone and then you'd have less first time offenders getting into prison as well. I don't see why it's a nightmare to do so. It's less work than running a whole prison. Changing incentives is also something that happens all the time via regulation and taxes. The problem with your example is that you are still tying prison income with prison capacity. This makes them only care about how cheap they can store the slaves in america. What you need to do is treat the. Corporation like a dog and make him follow something with the income you give it. If you base the private prison income on the rehabilitated slaves you will have to see some real change in the slaves for them to make enough money to operate. Once you change the focus on what slaves you dole out to private prisions you can make a public cost-efficency argument on how many slaves you dole off to private prisions and which crimes are eligible for them. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On December 24 2016 10:36 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: good article that I think hits the problem on the head http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/how-firefighters-help-explain-outcome-2016-election-n699196 There's nothing the Democrat Party can do. They've gone all-in on identity politics and many of them are oppositional. Environmentalists don't really smooch up to the blue-collar workers in many energy sectors, manufacturing, etc. The college age feminists don't really match well with rural blue-collar tradesman. The BLM crowd isn't going to be winning many points with white poorer working folks. I wouldn't be surprised if in 20 years Texas is blue and WI, MI, PA are reliably Republican while MN trends towards the GOP (probably be another 2 cycles before they finally vote GOP in a presidential election). | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Also, I just took my first good look at the Trump Twitter account in about a month. He has definitely been pulling his A-game lately. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
Finally the US has goddamn finally abstained from protecting the disgusting behaviour of Israel. Goddamnit. Yeah Trump can try to reverse it, but it will need the popular vote in the UN. | ||
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