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On December 22 2016 01:11 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 23:59 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The Democratic National Committee tried to provide CNN anchor Wolf Blizter with questions to ask Donald Trump, the latest WikiLeaks email dump has revealed.
Among the batch of 8,263 emails released on Sunday night, one shows that staff working for the network hosts asked DNC staffers what questions they should put to the Republican candidate.
They also asked for advice when it came to an appearance from former candidate, Ted Cruz.
An email dated April 28 entitled 'Cruz on CNN' reads 'CNN is looking for questions. Please send some topical/interesting ones.'
That email was sent from DNC research director Lauren Dillon to other officials and staffers.
Days before that, on April 25 she asked for questions from officials and staffers for an interview that CNN's Wolf Blitzer would be conducting with Trump.
'Wolf Blitzer is interviewing Trump on Tues (sic) ahead of his foreign policy address on Wed,' Dillon wrote in the email that was entitled 'CNN questions for Trump.'
Numerous questions were submitted by a group of DNC staffers and officials for 68-year-old Blitzer to ask the billionaire.
However, in a follow-up email, she informed the group of staffers that the Trump interview ended up being cancelled.
'CNN said the interview was cancelled as of now but will keep the questions for the next one Good to have for others as well,' Dillon wrote in the email.
DNC deputy communications director Christina Freundlich responded to Dillion's email with 'Boo', seemingly showing that she was disappointed.
Blitzer, who has been working at CNN since 1990, did end up interviewing the real estate mogul on May 4.
That interview took place right after both Cruz and Ohio Gov. John Kasich dropped out of the Republican presidential race as candidates.
A CNN spokeswoman told the Daily Mail Online the emails are 'completely unremarkable'. Source And if you check Trumps email they probably asked his camp for questions they would want to ask Hillary. But I'm sure people are much more interested in spinning this as a conspiracy. The reverse would be improbable and highly surprising if it existed. CNN doesn't take much spinning to see the conspiracy. They've made their bed, now they can lie in it. But do continue to defend the actions on behalf of the Hillary campaign for another two years, we need some more senate seat pickups. Next up is alleging the draft articles a couple outlets ran by podesta's crew before publication were probably also passed to lewandowski. I tend to think your affinity for their politics clouds your perspective of how a media covering public presidential campaigns should act privately in concert with presidential campaigns.
I'm not clear what you mean by "some more senate seat pickups"
since the republicans didn't pickup any this election iirc; and therefore the word 'more' doesn't make sense, since there's no starting number to add them to.
farv -> ok, that's clear then.
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On December 22 2016 01:11 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 23:59 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The Democratic National Committee tried to provide CNN anchor Wolf Blizter with questions to ask Donald Trump, the latest WikiLeaks email dump has revealed.
Among the batch of 8,263 emails released on Sunday night, one shows that staff working for the network hosts asked DNC staffers what questions they should put to the Republican candidate.
They also asked for advice when it came to an appearance from former candidate, Ted Cruz.
An email dated April 28 entitled 'Cruz on CNN' reads 'CNN is looking for questions. Please send some topical/interesting ones.'
That email was sent from DNC research director Lauren Dillon to other officials and staffers.
Days before that, on April 25 she asked for questions from officials and staffers for an interview that CNN's Wolf Blitzer would be conducting with Trump.
'Wolf Blitzer is interviewing Trump on Tues (sic) ahead of his foreign policy address on Wed,' Dillon wrote in the email that was entitled 'CNN questions for Trump.'
Numerous questions were submitted by a group of DNC staffers and officials for 68-year-old Blitzer to ask the billionaire.
However, in a follow-up email, she informed the group of staffers that the Trump interview ended up being cancelled.
'CNN said the interview was cancelled as of now but will keep the questions for the next one Good to have for others as well,' Dillon wrote in the email.
DNC deputy communications director Christina Freundlich responded to Dillion's email with 'Boo', seemingly showing that she was disappointed.
Blitzer, who has been working at CNN since 1990, did end up interviewing the real estate mogul on May 4.
That interview took place right after both Cruz and Ohio Gov. John Kasich dropped out of the Republican presidential race as candidates.
A CNN spokeswoman told the Daily Mail Online the emails are 'completely unremarkable'. Source And if you check Trumps email they probably asked his camp for questions they would want to ask Hillary. But I'm sure people are much more interested in spinning this as a conspiracy. The reverse would be improbable and highly surprising if it existed. CNN doesn't take much spinning to see the conspiracy. They've made their bed, now they can lie in it. But do continue to defend the actions on behalf of the Hillary campaign for another two years, we need some more senate seat pickups. Next up is alleging the draft articles a couple outlets ran by podesta's crew before publication were probably also passed to lewandowski. I tend to think your affinity for their politics clouds your perspective of how a media covering public presidential campaigns should act privately in concert with presidential campaigns.
I trust you're equally disappointed that Breitbart was described by its leader (now White House chief strategist LOL) as all in on Trump.
I wonder if it's significant that the chairman of Fox News, after resigning, advised Trump for a presidential debate?
Or that Megyn Kelly alleges Trump was tipped off that her first question would be pointed and challenging?
I trust your lack of a peep on these issues is not evidence of bias on your part.
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On December 22 2016 01:40 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 01:11 Danglars wrote:On December 21 2016 23:59 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The Democratic National Committee tried to provide CNN anchor Wolf Blizter with questions to ask Donald Trump, the latest WikiLeaks email dump has revealed.
Among the batch of 8,263 emails released on Sunday night, one shows that staff working for the network hosts asked DNC staffers what questions they should put to the Republican candidate.
They also asked for advice when it came to an appearance from former candidate, Ted Cruz.
An email dated April 28 entitled 'Cruz on CNN' reads 'CNN is looking for questions. Please send some topical/interesting ones.'
That email was sent from DNC research director Lauren Dillon to other officials and staffers.
Days before that, on April 25 she asked for questions from officials and staffers for an interview that CNN's Wolf Blitzer would be conducting with Trump.
'Wolf Blitzer is interviewing Trump on Tues (sic) ahead of his foreign policy address on Wed,' Dillon wrote in the email that was entitled 'CNN questions for Trump.'
Numerous questions were submitted by a group of DNC staffers and officials for 68-year-old Blitzer to ask the billionaire.
However, in a follow-up email, she informed the group of staffers that the Trump interview ended up being cancelled.
'CNN said the interview was cancelled as of now but will keep the questions for the next one Good to have for others as well,' Dillon wrote in the email.
DNC deputy communications director Christina Freundlich responded to Dillion's email with 'Boo', seemingly showing that she was disappointed.
Blitzer, who has been working at CNN since 1990, did end up interviewing the real estate mogul on May 4.
That interview took place right after both Cruz and Ohio Gov. John Kasich dropped out of the Republican presidential race as candidates.
A CNN spokeswoman told the Daily Mail Online the emails are 'completely unremarkable'. Source And if you check Trumps email they probably asked his camp for questions they would want to ask Hillary. But I'm sure people are much more interested in spinning this as a conspiracy. The reverse would be improbable and highly surprising if it existed. CNN doesn't take much spinning to see the conspiracy. They've made their bed, now they can lie in it. But do continue to defend the actions on behalf of the Hillary campaign for another two years, we need some more senate seat pickups. Next up is alleging the draft articles a couple outlets ran by podesta's crew before publication were probably also passed to lewandowski. I tend to think your affinity for their politics clouds your perspective of how a media covering public presidential campaigns should act privately in concert with presidential campaigns. I trust you're equally disappointed that Breitbart was described by its leader (now White House chief strategist LOL) as all in on Trump. I wonder if it's significant that the chairman of Fox News, after resigning, advised Trump for a presidential debate? Or that Megyn Kelly alleges Trump was tipped off that her first question would be pointed and challenging? I trust your lack of a peep on these issues is not evidence of bias on your part.
If you look at Breitbart and Fox News and like what you see, just wish everything was made more like them, I see no reason why you or anyone else should be disappointed.
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On December 22 2016 00:57 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 14:03 LegalLord wrote:
The relative strength of the US in the world is definitely decreasing relative to the 90s-00s. I don't see it as a winning strategy to look for every possible powerful nation and make rivals out of them. The problem with a "tough" FP is that people fight back and you just might sustain real, lasting injuries that way.
It's clear that China does perceive the US as a nation that is likely to oppose it in the future and is aware of the need for an alliance in opposition to the US though. China can fight back and cause some real, lasting injuries too.
I don't disagree. I'm not encouraging a full-out war of trade or military with China, because I think it would ultimately simply accelerate the relative decline of the US in the near future. I do see Europe as a more important alliance grouping than the Pacific nations though, and China really isn't in the position to fuck with those as much as other potential geopolitical foes. So between a ME/Russia focus (countries which are close enough to directly impact Europe and its so-called "unity") and a China/Pacific focus, it would probably be better to start shit in the Pacific if starting shit is a necessity. China has economy, but not so much technology or military, which makes it an easier foe in that regard.
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On December 22 2016 01:12 farvacola wrote:
All I'm saying is that Democrats should look at new ways to attract voters, and, specifically, challenging the population's traditional understanding of socialistic programs and the role of government in popular life is a good place to start.
Hillary won the most votes and was only down in key states by about 100k. So by "need to cater to more voters" do you mean that the DNC should become more conservative?
Just curious what you mean by "attract voters"
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End the pro-corporate and trade deals. Engage worker rights, protections.
Former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) said in a new interview that Donald Trump has taken a different tone as president-elect and may be leaving behind his campaign promise to “drain the swamp.”
Gingrich told NPR's "Morning Edition" that he was told Trump “now says [the phrase] was cute, but he doesn’t want to use it anymore.”
Gingrich, who has been a close adviser to Trump, said he likes "drain the swamp" because it “vividly illustrates the problem, because all people in this city who are the alligators are going to hate the swamp being drained.”
“But, you know, he is my leader, and if he decides to drop the swamp and the alligator I will drop the swamp and the alligator,” he said.
Gingrich also said he’d noticed Trump’s change in attitude toward his supporters chanting “lock her up” at his post-election rallies, referring to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
“Maybe he feels that, as president, as the next president of the United States, that he should be marginally more dignified than talking about alligators in swamps,” Gingrich said.
During “thank you” tour rallies, Trump acknowledged that his supporters have been more laid back following his election win.
"You people were vicious, violent, screaming, 'Where's the wall? We want the wall!' Screaming, 'Prison! Prison! Lock her up!' I mean, you are going crazy. I mean, you were nasty and mean and vicious and you wanted to win, right?" Trump said during a stop in Florida last Saturday.
"But now, you're mellow and you're cool and you're not nearly as vicious or violent, right? Because we won, right?"
Source
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On December 22 2016 02:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:End the pro-corporate and trade deals. Engage worker rights, protections. Show nested quote +Former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) said in a new interview that Donald Trump has taken a different tone as president-elect and may be leaving behind his campaign promise to “drain the swamp.”
Gingrich told NPR's "Morning Edition" that he was told Trump “now says [the phrase] was cute, but he doesn’t want to use it anymore.”
Gingrich, who has been a close adviser to Trump, said he likes "drain the swamp" because it “vividly illustrates the problem, because all people in this city who are the alligators are going to hate the swamp being drained.”
“But, you know, he is my leader, and if he decides to drop the swamp and the alligator I will drop the swamp and the alligator,” he said.
Gingrich also said he’d noticed Trump’s change in attitude toward his supporters chanting “lock her up” at his post-election rallies, referring to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
“Maybe he feels that, as president, as the next president of the United States, that he should be marginally more dignified than talking about alligators in swamps,” Gingrich said.
During “thank you” tour rallies, Trump acknowledged that his supporters have been more laid back following his election win.
"You people were vicious, violent, screaming, 'Where's the wall? We want the wall!' Screaming, 'Prison! Prison! Lock her up!' I mean, you are going crazy. I mean, you were nasty and mean and vicious and you wanted to win, right?" Trump said during a stop in Florida last Saturday.
"But now, you're mellow and you're cool and you're not nearly as vicious or violent, right? Because we won, right?" Source
things we pretty much knew but are confirmed here
1. newt is a shitbag
2. trump was never going to help the working man
3. but emails
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Not sure what random Gingrich commentary has to do with trade and worker protections.
He'd better not back out of dropping TPP and TTIP though. Thankfully I have seen no indication that he intends to.
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http://www.prri.org/press-release/merry-christmas-vs-happy-holidays-republicans-democrats-polar-opposites/
“The survey also found evidence of significant fallout from the election among personal relationships,” says PRRI CEO Robert P. Jones. “Beleaguered Democrats were significantly more likely than Republicans to report that they unfriended someone on social media or planned to avoid certain relatives during the holidays because of politics.”
More than one in ten (13 percent) Americans say they blocked, unfriended, or stopped following someone on social media because of what they posted about politics. Democrats are more than twice as likely as Republicans to report unfriending someone over politics (24 percent vs. 9 percent), and that number rises even more among women. Three in ten (30 percent) Democratic women say they removed someone from a social network because of a political view.
Despite the contentious nature of the 2016 presidential election, only 16 percent of Americans report that their family argued about politics or the election over the Thanksgiving holiday. And while only five percent of Americans say they are planning on spending less time with certain family members because of their political views, Democrats (10 percent) are more likely than Republicans (2 percent) to say they are avoiding certain family members this holiday season because of their political views.
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On December 22 2016 01:45 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 01:40 Doodsmack wrote:On December 22 2016 01:11 Danglars wrote:On December 21 2016 23:59 Gorsameth wrote:On December 21 2016 22:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The Democratic National Committee tried to provide CNN anchor Wolf Blizter with questions to ask Donald Trump, the latest WikiLeaks email dump has revealed.
Among the batch of 8,263 emails released on Sunday night, one shows that staff working for the network hosts asked DNC staffers what questions they should put to the Republican candidate.
They also asked for advice when it came to an appearance from former candidate, Ted Cruz.
An email dated April 28 entitled 'Cruz on CNN' reads 'CNN is looking for questions. Please send some topical/interesting ones.'
That email was sent from DNC research director Lauren Dillon to other officials and staffers.
Days before that, on April 25 she asked for questions from officials and staffers for an interview that CNN's Wolf Blitzer would be conducting with Trump.
'Wolf Blitzer is interviewing Trump on Tues (sic) ahead of his foreign policy address on Wed,' Dillon wrote in the email that was entitled 'CNN questions for Trump.'
Numerous questions were submitted by a group of DNC staffers and officials for 68-year-old Blitzer to ask the billionaire.
However, in a follow-up email, she informed the group of staffers that the Trump interview ended up being cancelled.
'CNN said the interview was cancelled as of now but will keep the questions for the next one Good to have for others as well,' Dillon wrote in the email.
DNC deputy communications director Christina Freundlich responded to Dillion's email with 'Boo', seemingly showing that she was disappointed.
Blitzer, who has been working at CNN since 1990, did end up interviewing the real estate mogul on May 4.
That interview took place right after both Cruz and Ohio Gov. John Kasich dropped out of the Republican presidential race as candidates.
A CNN spokeswoman told the Daily Mail Online the emails are 'completely unremarkable'. Source And if you check Trumps email they probably asked his camp for questions they would want to ask Hillary. But I'm sure people are much more interested in spinning this as a conspiracy. The reverse would be improbable and highly surprising if it existed. CNN doesn't take much spinning to see the conspiracy. They've made their bed, now they can lie in it. But do continue to defend the actions on behalf of the Hillary campaign for another two years, we need some more senate seat pickups. Next up is alleging the draft articles a couple outlets ran by podesta's crew before publication were probably also passed to lewandowski. I tend to think your affinity for their politics clouds your perspective of how a media covering public presidential campaigns should act privately in concert with presidential campaigns. I trust you're equally disappointed that Breitbart was described by its leader (now White House chief strategist LOL) as all in on Trump. I wonder if it's significant that the chairman of Fox News, after resigning, advised Trump for a presidential debate? Or that Megyn Kelly alleges Trump was tipped off that her first question would be pointed and challenging? I trust your lack of a peep on these issues is not evidence of bias on your part. If you look at Breitbart and Fox News and like what you see, just wish everything was made more like them, I see no reason why you or anyone else should be disappointed.
I am not sure of your point because I don't like what I see with them. I'm saying you SHOULD be disappointed with them if you're disappointed in CNN.
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On December 22 2016 02:42 oBlade wrote:
and that number rises even more among women. Three in ten (30 percent) Democratic women say they removed someone from a social network because of a political view.
I can think of an explanation for that.
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I think all the trade deals are going to still happen, but Trump is going to parade points of the trade bills that he says he negotiated and made better. Most of them will likely be things already included and planned.
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ah right, like the carrier deal.
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On December 22 2016 02:51 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 02:42 oBlade wrote:
and that number rises even more among women. Three in ten (30 percent) Democratic women say they removed someone from a social network because of a political view. I can think of an explanation for that.
Remember when Hillary tried to test the waters of Elizabeth Warren for VP, and the BernieBros dogpiled on her like flies on shit forcing the Hillary Campaign to bring in Kane?
Yeah, women have not gotten a lot of respect from liberals this year.
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On December 22 2016 04:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 02:51 Doodsmack wrote:On December 22 2016 02:42 oBlade wrote:
and that number rises even more among women. Three in ten (30 percent) Democratic women say they removed someone from a social network because of a political view. I can think of an explanation for that. Remember when Hillary tried to test the waters of Elizabeth Warren for VP, and the BernieBros dogpiled on her like flies on shit forcing the Hillary Campaign to bring in Kane? Yeah, women have not gotten a lot of respect from liberals this year.
...You're saying Bernie supporters wanted Kaine instead of Warren? Kaine was like the last straw for a lot of Bernie supporters I know. Hell, even I was wildly disappointed. It was the most out of touch thing she could have possibly done.
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On December 22 2016 04:09 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 04:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On December 22 2016 02:51 Doodsmack wrote:On December 22 2016 02:42 oBlade wrote:
and that number rises even more among women. Three in ten (30 percent) Democratic women say they removed someone from a social network because of a political view. I can think of an explanation for that. Remember when Hillary tried to test the waters of Elizabeth Warren for VP, and the BernieBros dogpiled on her like flies on shit forcing the Hillary Campaign to bring in Kane? Yeah, women have not gotten a lot of respect from liberals this year. ...You're saying Bernie supporters wanted Kaine instead of Warren? Kaine was like the last straw for a lot of Bernie supporters I know. Hell, even I was wildly disappointed. It was the most out of touch thing she could have possibly done.
I said that when Hillary tried getting a liberal VP, Bernie supporters crucified Warren. That doesn't mean BernieBros asked for Kain. But they definitely influenced the decision towards Kain.
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On December 22 2016 04:15 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 04:09 Mohdoo wrote:On December 22 2016 04:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On December 22 2016 02:51 Doodsmack wrote:On December 22 2016 02:42 oBlade wrote:
and that number rises even more among women. Three in ten (30 percent) Democratic women say they removed someone from a social network because of a political view. I can think of an explanation for that. Remember when Hillary tried to test the waters of Elizabeth Warren for VP, and the BernieBros dogpiled on her like flies on shit forcing the Hillary Campaign to bring in Kane? Yeah, women have not gotten a lot of respect from liberals this year. ...You're saying Bernie supporters wanted Kaine instead of Warren? Kaine was like the last straw for a lot of Bernie supporters I know. Hell, even I was wildly disappointed. It was the most out of touch thing she could have possibly done. I said that when Hillary tried getting a liberal VP, Bernie supporters crucified Warren. That doesn't mean BernieBros asked for Kain. But they definitely influenced the decision towards Kain.
So people giving Warren crap for possibly associating with someone too conservative signaled to Clinton that they would prefer someone more conservative?
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I would like to see some credible sources on this possibly nonexistent dog piling on warren..
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I also do not remember any organized dogpiling on Warren, and if it did occur, would be surprised if it actually affected the VP decision.
When correctly used, the term "BernieBro" refers to the extremely loud minority of Sanders supporters who were more interested in the "burn it all down" approach than supporting Sanders' proposals. This is why these people ended up voting for Trump instead of Clinton, and they were a tiny fraction of Sanders' support.
People make the same mistake that they did with the alt-right and assume that just because these people are loud and obnoxious, there are a lot of them. Don't be fooled.
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I'm not american but from all i read, warren was the only "non-bernie" solution the bernie or bust crowd.
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