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On December 14 2016 06:45 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 06:41 Logo wrote:On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business. I think that's misinterpreting the motivation for quite a few people?
The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. Auditing elections on a large scale will help give more data into the problems with our election process and shed light on problems that aren't real problems while also verifying the legitimacy of our elections despite what the president elect has said. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Really? It seemed quite obvious to me. All the Republicans that started passing voter ID laws are doing so because of supposed voter fraud. Or so they claim. Trump was yelling from the rooftops how the election was "rigged" before it even happened, so we may assume that he still thinks the rigging happened, but was just unsuccessful (or in his favor)?
Collecting data and investigating whether voter fraud actually happens and what is up with the rigging seems like a sensible course of action.
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On December 14 2016 06:52 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2016 06:41 Logo wrote:On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business. I think that's misinterpreting the motivation for quite a few people?
The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. Auditing elections on a large scale will help give more data into the problems with our election process and shed light on problems that aren't real problems while also verifying the legitimacy of our elections despite what the president elect has said. I have no idea what you're talking about. Really? It seemed quite obvious to me. All the Republican started paying voter ID laws are doing so because of supposed voter fraud. Or so they claim. Trump was yelling from the rooftops how the election was "rigged" before it even happened, so we may assume that he still thinks the rigging happened, but was just unsuccessful (or in his favor)? Collecting data and investigating whether voter fraud actually happens and what is up with the rigging seems like a sensible course of action.
Yet they completely ignore the states where they claim there is rigging and they only recount the ones Trump won.
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On December 14 2016 07:08 Antyee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 06:52 Acrofales wrote:On December 14 2016 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2016 06:41 Logo wrote:On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business. I think that's misinterpreting the motivation for quite a few people?
The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. Auditing elections on a large scale will help give more data into the problems with our election process and shed light on problems that aren't real problems while also verifying the legitimacy of our elections despite what the president elect has said. I have no idea what you're talking about. Really? It seemed quite obvious to me. All the Republican started paying voter ID laws are doing so because of supposed voter fraud. Or so they claim. Trump was yelling from the rooftops how the election was "rigged" before it even happened, so we may assume that he still thinks the rigging happened, but was just unsuccessful (or in his favor)? Collecting data and investigating whether voter fraud actually happens and what is up with the rigging seems like a sensible course of action. Yet they completely ignore the states where they claim there is rigging and they only recount the ones Trump won.
Indeed. Let's not pretend for one moment that the real purpose of these recounts isn't just a desperate hope of overturning the election.
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Spain17989 Posts
On December 14 2016 07:08 Antyee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 06:52 Acrofales wrote:On December 14 2016 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2016 06:41 Logo wrote:On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business. I think that's misinterpreting the motivation for quite a few people?
The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. Auditing elections on a large scale will help give more data into the problems with our election process and shed light on problems that aren't real problems while also verifying the legitimacy of our elections despite what the president elect has said. I have no idea what you're talking about. Really? It seemed quite obvious to me. All the Republican started paying voter ID laws are doing so because of supposed voter fraud. Or so they claim. Trump was yelling from the rooftops how the election was "rigged" before it even happened, so we may assume that he still thinks the rigging happened, but was just unsuccessful (or in his favor)? Collecting data and investigating whether voter fraud actually happens and what is up with the rigging seems like a sensible course of action. Yet they completely ignore the states where they claim there is rigging and they only recount the ones Trump won.
Insofar as I understood this, they petitioned to recount the ones where there was some evidence of weird vote count discrepancies. But by all means, if you believe there is something wrong elsewhere I am in favour of getting to the bottom of it, so that we can say something conclusive about the need for voter ID laws, the advantages of EVM/paper and generally get some evidence-based decisions in the electoral process!
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Spain17989 Posts
On December 14 2016 07:14 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 07:08 Antyee wrote:On December 14 2016 06:52 Acrofales wrote:On December 14 2016 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2016 06:41 Logo wrote:On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business. I think that's misinterpreting the motivation for quite a few people?
The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. Auditing elections on a large scale will help give more data into the problems with our election process and shed light on problems that aren't real problems while also verifying the legitimacy of our elections despite what the president elect has said. I have no idea what you're talking about. Really? It seemed quite obvious to me. All the Republican started paying voter ID laws are doing so because of supposed voter fraud. Or so they claim. Trump was yelling from the rooftops how the election was "rigged" before it even happened, so we may assume that he still thinks the rigging happened, but was just unsuccessful (or in his favor)? Collecting data and investigating whether voter fraud actually happens and what is up with the rigging seems like a sensible course of action. Yet they completely ignore the states where they claim there is rigging and they only recount the ones Trump won. Indeed. Let's not pretend for one moment that the real purpose of these recounts isn't just a desperate hope of overturning the election.
Jill Stein wanted the election overturned? And to achieve that, asked for a recount in a completely inconsequential state like Wisconsin and its 10 EVs? What's the grand plan here?
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I would argue that the most damning problem of EVMs is the problem of trust. It's a black box, its results aren't human tallied. How can you trust it not to be hacked by Jeb Bush or the Russians for example?
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
On December 14 2016 07:16 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 07:14 LegalLord wrote:On December 14 2016 07:08 Antyee wrote:On December 14 2016 06:52 Acrofales wrote:On December 14 2016 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2016 06:41 Logo wrote:On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business. I think that's misinterpreting the motivation for quite a few people?
The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. Auditing elections on a large scale will help give more data into the problems with our election process and shed light on problems that aren't real problems while also verifying the legitimacy of our elections despite what the president elect has said. I have no idea what you're talking about. Really? It seemed quite obvious to me. All the Republican started paying voter ID laws are doing so because of supposed voter fraud. Or so they claim. Trump was yelling from the rooftops how the election was "rigged" before it even happened, so we may assume that he still thinks the rigging happened, but was just unsuccessful (or in his favor)? Collecting data and investigating whether voter fraud actually happens and what is up with the rigging seems like a sensible course of action. Yet they completely ignore the states where they claim there is rigging and they only recount the ones Trump won. Indeed. Let's not pretend for one moment that the real purpose of these recounts isn't just a desperate hope of overturning the election. Jill Stein wanted the election overturned? And to achieve that, asked for a recount in a completely inconsequential state like Wisconsin and its 10 EVs? What's the grand plan here?
Stein maybe, maybe not. Her Hillary donors, absolutely they did. She preyed on their desperation.
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On December 14 2016 07:16 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 07:14 LegalLord wrote:On December 14 2016 07:08 Antyee wrote:On December 14 2016 06:52 Acrofales wrote:On December 14 2016 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2016 06:41 Logo wrote:On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business. I think that's misinterpreting the motivation for quite a few people?
The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. Auditing elections on a large scale will help give more data into the problems with our election process and shed light on problems that aren't real problems while also verifying the legitimacy of our elections despite what the president elect has said. I have no idea what you're talking about. Really? It seemed quite obvious to me. All the Republican started paying voter ID laws are doing so because of supposed voter fraud. Or so they claim. Trump was yelling from the rooftops how the election was "rigged" before it even happened, so we may assume that he still thinks the rigging happened, but was just unsuccessful (or in his favor)? Collecting data and investigating whether voter fraud actually happens and what is up with the rigging seems like a sensible course of action. Yet they completely ignore the states where they claim there is rigging and they only recount the ones Trump won. Indeed. Let's not pretend for one moment that the real purpose of these recounts isn't just a desperate hope of overturning the election. Jill Stein wanted the election overturned? And to achieve that, asked for a recount in a completely inconsequential state like Wisconsin and its 10 EVs? What's the grand plan here?
They did the recounts in the 3 closest Trump victories. (22k difference in 3 mil in Wisconsin), and Jill Stein used it as a publicity stunt/getting funds.
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On December 14 2016 06:52 Acrofales wrote:
Really? It seemed quite obvious to me. All the Republicans that started passing voter ID laws are doing so because of supposed voter fraud. Or so they claim. Trump was yelling from the rooftops how the election was "rigged" before it even happened, so we may assume that he still thinks the rigging happened, but was just unsuccessful (or in his favor)?
Collecting data and investigating whether voter fraud actually happens and what is up with the rigging seems like a sensible course of action.
On December 14 2016 06:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Like hell you don't lol.
"The election is rigged", "If I lose it will be because the election is rigged" aka Trump. And fraud is always the argument used when the GOP wants to curtail minority voting rights.
I'll refer both of you to this post. I'm not Trump, and I'm not the GOP. And whatever is going on in Michigan almost certainly has nothing to do with voter ID laws.
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I'm still a little surprised that we can have discussions about voter fraud without including Crosscheck and what they are allegedly doing. It was quite a major point to me when I learned about it, and it seems to get very little attention.
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On December 14 2016 07:32 Nebuchad wrote:
I'm still a little surprised that we can have discussions about voter fraud without including Crosscheck and what they are allegedly doing.
Yeah I've been trying to figure out if the recount will result in any new information that would give more insight into crosscheck or other suppression efforts.
But showing no significant in person voter fraud (again) is a pretty good step.
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On December 14 2016 07:25 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 06:52 Acrofales wrote:
Really? It seemed quite obvious to me. All the Republicans that started passing voter ID laws are doing so because of supposed voter fraud. Or so they claim. Trump was yelling from the rooftops how the election was "rigged" before it even happened, so we may assume that he still thinks the rigging happened, but was just unsuccessful (or in his favor)?
Collecting data and investigating whether voter fraud actually happens and what is up with the rigging seems like a sensible course of action. Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 06:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Like hell you don't lol.
"The election is rigged", "If I lose it will be because the election is rigged" aka Trump. And fraud is always the argument used when the GOP wants to curtail minority voting rights. I'll refer both of you to this post. I'm not Trump, and I'm not the GOP. And whatever is going on in Michigan almost certainly has nothing to do with voter ID laws.
That post is a dumpster fire by you. whats your point?
A post said The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. You underlined it and replied
I have no idea what you're talking about. You can play dumb all you want but you have been in this thread long enough to damn well know what is being talked about with that first quote.
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On December 14 2016 07:50 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 07:25 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2016 06:52 Acrofales wrote:
Really? It seemed quite obvious to me. All the Republicans that started passing voter ID laws are doing so because of supposed voter fraud. Or so they claim. Trump was yelling from the rooftops how the election was "rigged" before it even happened, so we may assume that he still thinks the rigging happened, but was just unsuccessful (or in his favor)?
Collecting data and investigating whether voter fraud actually happens and what is up with the rigging seems like a sensible course of action. On December 14 2016 06:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Like hell you don't lol.
"The election is rigged", "If I lose it will be because the election is rigged" aka Trump. And fraud is always the argument used when the GOP wants to curtail minority voting rights. I'll refer both of you to this post. I'm not Trump, and I'm not the GOP. And whatever is going on in Michigan almost certainly has nothing to do with voter ID laws. That post is a dumpster fire by you. whats your point? A post said Show nested quote +The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. You underlined it and replied You can play dumb all you want but you have been in this thread long enough to damn well know what is being talked about with that first quote.
I was trying to politely tell him to "fuck off and quit strawmanning my arguments with irrelevant bullshit."
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On December 14 2016 07:52 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 07:50 Gorsameth wrote:On December 14 2016 07:25 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2016 06:52 Acrofales wrote:
Really? It seemed quite obvious to me. All the Republicans that started passing voter ID laws are doing so because of supposed voter fraud. Or so they claim. Trump was yelling from the rooftops how the election was "rigged" before it even happened, so we may assume that he still thinks the rigging happened, but was just unsuccessful (or in his favor)?
Collecting data and investigating whether voter fraud actually happens and what is up with the rigging seems like a sensible course of action. On December 14 2016 06:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Like hell you don't lol.
"The election is rigged", "If I lose it will be because the election is rigged" aka Trump. And fraud is always the argument used when the GOP wants to curtail minority voting rights. I'll refer both of you to this post. I'm not Trump, and I'm not the GOP. And whatever is going on in Michigan almost certainly has nothing to do with voter ID laws. That post is a dumpster fire by you. whats your point? A post said The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. You underlined it and replied I have no idea what you're talking about. You can play dumb all you want but you have been in this thread long enough to damn well know what is being talked about with that first quote. I was trying to politely tell him to "fuck off and quit strawmanning my arguments with irrelevant bullshit."
There was no straw manning going on.
Considering the rhetoric used in the election it can be a good idea to do some double checking of the results. What they have found are what appear to be incredibly minor faults not worth mentioning. And even if they find something big that would implicated the Democrats (they wont) it would be a good thing since the integrity of the election process has to be maintained for it to function.
All it looks like your doing in pretending to be dumb when you get called out on your dumb subtext of 'I bet they regret it now, lolz'.
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On December 14 2016 07:52 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 07:50 Gorsameth wrote:On December 14 2016 07:25 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2016 06:52 Acrofales wrote:
Really? It seemed quite obvious to me. All the Republicans that started passing voter ID laws are doing so because of supposed voter fraud. Or so they claim. Trump was yelling from the rooftops how the election was "rigged" before it even happened, so we may assume that he still thinks the rigging happened, but was just unsuccessful (or in his favor)?
Collecting data and investigating whether voter fraud actually happens and what is up with the rigging seems like a sensible course of action. On December 14 2016 06:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Like hell you don't lol.
"The election is rigged", "If I lose it will be because the election is rigged" aka Trump. And fraud is always the argument used when the GOP wants to curtail minority voting rights. I'll refer both of you to this post. I'm not Trump, and I'm not the GOP. And whatever is going on in Michigan almost certainly has nothing to do with voter ID laws. That post is a dumpster fire by you. whats your point? A post said The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. You underlined it and replied I have no idea what you're talking about. You can play dumb all you want but you have been in this thread long enough to damn well know what is being talked about with that first quote. I was trying to politely tell him to "fuck off and quit strawmanning my arguments with irrelevant bullshit."
You said democrats are going to be all sad or whatever, I pointed out that a fair # of people were interested in the recounts because they wanted to clear the air & clarify the legitimacy of elections.
Never mind the recount was started by Stein (not a democrat) and there were only 161,000 donors (much less than the 120 million people who voted democrat) according to her donation page.
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Here's the obvious point of the article that apparently a significant number of you (notably Gorsameth) are missing: that article shows that there's a risk that evidence of a systemic, democrat-initiated voted fraud may be found in Detroit. It doesn't matter who initiated the recount. Nor does it matter what Trump of Republicans said previously about voter fraud.
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On December 14 2016 08:12 xDaunt wrote:
Here's the obvious point of the article that apparently a significant number of you (notably Gorsameth) are missing: that article shows that there's a risk that evidence of a systemic, democrat-initiated voted fraud may be found in Detroit. It doesn't matter who initiated the recount. Nor does it matter what Trump of Republicans said previously about voter fraud.
Hahahahahaha
right now all I see is tiny human error to the degree of 0.16%
Gimme a call when they find something more then a difference of 6 voters out of thousands when counted by a machine and a human.
And lets not even talk about systematic.
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On December 14 2016 08:14 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 08:12 xDaunt wrote:
Here's the obvious point of the article that apparently a significant number of you (notably Gorsameth) are missing: that article shows that there's a risk that evidence of a systemic, democrat-initiated voted fraud may be found in Detroit. It doesn't matter who initiated the recount. Nor does it matter what Trump of Republicans said previously about voter fraud. Hahahahahaha right now all I see is tiny human error to the degree of 0.16% Gimme a call when they find something more then a difference of 6 voters out of thousands when counted by a machine and a human. And lets not even talk about systematic.
Are you really this dense?
Did you miss this post?
On December 14 2016 06:41 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 06:35 Gorsameth wrote:
1-2 difference in count out of thousands?
Such difference, much wow
Thats not news, thats basic human error. That information is not correct. They don't yet have the data for the precincts where the error was more than 5 votes. Those are the precincts that matter.
Go read the fucking article, dude.
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You have to take into account that facts don't matter to Trump. If he finds out about detroit you can guarantee a series of tweets about it, regardless of the outcome of the investigation.
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On December 14 2016 08:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 08:14 Gorsameth wrote:On December 14 2016 08:12 xDaunt wrote:
Here's the obvious point of the article that apparently a significant number of you (notably Gorsameth) are missing: that article shows that there's a risk that evidence of a systemic, democrat-initiated voted fraud may be found in Detroit. It doesn't matter who initiated the recount. Nor does it matter what Trump of Republicans said previously about voter fraud. Hahahahahaha right now all I see is tiny human error to the degree of 0.16% Gimme a call when they find something more then a difference of 6 voters out of thousands when counted by a machine and a human. And lets not even talk about systematic. Are you really this dense? Did you miss this post? Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 06:41 xDaunt wrote:On December 14 2016 06:35 Gorsameth wrote:
1-2 difference in count out of thousands?
Such difference, much wow
Thats not news, thats basic human error. That information is not correct. They don't yet have the data for the precincts where the error was more than 5 votes. Those are the precincts that matter. Go read the fucking article, dude.
They dont have the data.
as I said. come back when they find something substantial.
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