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The Energy Department has rejected a request from Donald Trump's transition team to list staffers at the department who were engaged in climate policy under the Obama administration.
“The Department of Energy received significant feedback from our workforce throughout the department, including the National Labs, following the release of the transition team’s questions. Some of the questions asked left many in our workforce unsettled,” Energy Department Spokesman Eben Burnham-Snyder said in a statement first reported by the Washington Post. “Our career workforce, including our contractors and employees at our labs, comprise the backbone of DOE (Department of Energy) and the important work our department does to benefit the American people. We are going to respect the professional and scientific integrity and independence of our employees at our labs and across our department."
“We will be forthcoming with all publically-available information with the transition team. We will not be providing any individual names to the transition team," Burnham-Snyder added.
The Trump transition team sent a questionnaire to the department that circulated last week, asking for a list of employees and contractors who attended United Nations meetings on climate as well as a list of staffers and contractors who attended meetings for the interagency working group on the social cost of carbon, a metric used by the Obama administration to determine how carbon pollution would impact the economy.
The questionnaire also asked which programs at the Energy Department are "essential to meeting the goals of President Obama's Climate Action Plan."
Source
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On December 14 2016 04:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +The Energy Department has rejected a request from Donald Trump's transition team to list staffers at the department who were engaged in climate policy under the Obama administration.
“The Department of Energy received significant feedback from our workforce throughout the department, including the National Labs, following the release of the transition team’s questions. Some of the questions asked left many in our workforce unsettled,” Energy Department Spokesman Eben Burnham-Snyder said in a statement first reported by the Washington Post. “Our career workforce, including our contractors and employees at our labs, comprise the backbone of DOE (Department of Energy) and the important work our department does to benefit the American people. We are going to respect the professional and scientific integrity and independence of our employees at our labs and across our department."
“We will be forthcoming with all publically-available information with the transition team. We will not be providing any individual names to the transition team," Burnham-Snyder added.
The Trump transition team sent a questionnaire to the department that circulated last week, asking for a list of employees and contractors who attended United Nations meetings on climate as well as a list of staffers and contractors who attended meetings for the interagency working group on the social cost of carbon, a metric used by the Obama administration to determine how carbon pollution would impact the economy.
The questionnaire also asked which programs at the Energy Department are "essential to meeting the goals of President Obama's Climate Action Plan." Source
you can't fire an entire department right?
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On December 14 2016 04:39 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 04:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The Energy Department has rejected a request from Donald Trump's transition team to list staffers at the department who were engaged in climate policy under the Obama administration.
“The Department of Energy received significant feedback from our workforce throughout the department, including the National Labs, following the release of the transition team’s questions. Some of the questions asked left many in our workforce unsettled,” Energy Department Spokesman Eben Burnham-Snyder said in a statement first reported by the Washington Post. “Our career workforce, including our contractors and employees at our labs, comprise the backbone of DOE (Department of Energy) and the important work our department does to benefit the American people. We are going to respect the professional and scientific integrity and independence of our employees at our labs and across our department."
“We will be forthcoming with all publically-available information with the transition team. We will not be providing any individual names to the transition team," Burnham-Snyder added.
The Trump transition team sent a questionnaire to the department that circulated last week, asking for a list of employees and contractors who attended United Nations meetings on climate as well as a list of staffers and contractors who attended meetings for the interagency working group on the social cost of carbon, a metric used by the Obama administration to determine how carbon pollution would impact the economy.
The questionnaire also asked which programs at the Energy Department are "essential to meeting the goals of President Obama's Climate Action Plan." Source you can't fire an entire department right?
no. at least not without congressional approval.
though on his own trump could probably fire a lot of senior management. in general it's hard to fire federal employees below the political appointee level though.
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On December 14 2016 04:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +The Energy Department has rejected a request from Donald Trump's transition team to list staffers at the department who were engaged in climate policy under the Obama administration.
“The Department of Energy received significant feedback from our workforce throughout the department, including the National Labs, following the release of the transition team’s questions. Some of the questions asked left many in our workforce unsettled,” Energy Department Spokesman Eben Burnham-Snyder said in a statement first reported by the Washington Post. “Our career workforce, including our contractors and employees at our labs, comprise the backbone of DOE (Department of Energy) and the important work our department does to benefit the American people. We are going to respect the professional and scientific integrity and independence of our employees at our labs and across our department."
“We will be forthcoming with all publically-available information with the transition team. We will not be providing any individual names to the transition team," Burnham-Snyder added.
The Trump transition team sent a questionnaire to the department that circulated last week, asking for a list of employees and contractors who attended United Nations meetings on climate as well as a list of staffers and contractors who attended meetings for the interagency working group on the social cost of carbon, a metric used by the Obama administration to determine how carbon pollution would impact the economy.
The questionnaire also asked which programs at the Energy Department are "essential to meeting the goals of President Obama's Climate Action Plan." Source
That's great. Good on them.
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On December 14 2016 02:15 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 00:58 Sadist wrote:On December 14 2016 00:50 Falling wrote:
I suppose there is a simple hypothesis: as a society becomes more egalitarian are there greater or lesser differences in job choices between the genders? That is as the barriers of entry are brought down, is there a slow move to 50-50 across every job, or are there even more pronounced differences? Our Scandinavian posters will have to correct me, but if we assume they are among the most egalitarian societies, we find the opposite of our expectations: greater differences, not less. (Unless there are some hidden issues that we don't know about- hence our Scandinavian posters.) But supposing that find holds true, this isn't really a bad thing. If every person has the freedom to choose what they want, and it turns out that doesn't equal 50-50 in every single occupation, that's not bad, but good because they got to choose what they wanted. There are some people that will target 50 / 50 no matter what. They will argue bias in society in the way people were raised and their environment explains why the genders chose what they chose. This is the rabbit hole of social sciences and trying to hit a specific target. Some people dont even want to acknowledge gender/sex at all The false assumption is that people have (a) equal opportunity and hence (b) only go for the roles they want. The truth is that (a) people are not equal for many reasons which means that (b) people go for the roles they can get. Assuming the latter, the spread of the population not being even reveals the biases that prevents people from pursuing what they want. This is true for women, people of color, people with disabilities, etc...
Because of your base assumption, the only evidence that you would ever accept that there is no bias would be if we had an even distribution of people of gender, skin color, disability level, ......etc.
This quickly results in a quota system where you can put each person into a nice little box.
What about skinny vs fat people? Good looking vs ugly? People with black hair vs blonde hair? If your presumption is bias there will always be something you can nit pick until you get to your magical even distribution. And what then? You tell a black transgender chinese person they cant be an engineer because you already have your quota for black transgender chinese engineers and it screws up your distribution?
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On December 14 2016 04:39 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 04:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The Energy Department has rejected a request from Donald Trump's transition team to list staffers at the department who were engaged in climate policy under the Obama administration.
“The Department of Energy received significant feedback from our workforce throughout the department, including the National Labs, following the release of the transition team’s questions. Some of the questions asked left many in our workforce unsettled,” Energy Department Spokesman Eben Burnham-Snyder said in a statement first reported by the Washington Post. “Our career workforce, including our contractors and employees at our labs, comprise the backbone of DOE (Department of Energy) and the important work our department does to benefit the American people. We are going to respect the professional and scientific integrity and independence of our employees at our labs and across our department."
“We will be forthcoming with all publically-available information with the transition team. We will not be providing any individual names to the transition team," Burnham-Snyder added.
The Trump transition team sent a questionnaire to the department that circulated last week, asking for a list of employees and contractors who attended United Nations meetings on climate as well as a list of staffers and contractors who attended meetings for the interagency working group on the social cost of carbon, a metric used by the Obama administration to determine how carbon pollution would impact the economy.
The questionnaire also asked which programs at the Energy Department are "essential to meeting the goals of President Obama's Climate Action Plan." Source you can't fire an entire department right?
Just imagine how much Obama did with DoE and EPA without acts of Congress. He can bring the climate change directives to a stop quite easily by issuing new ones. Assuming Perry is confirmed, he could easily reassign these people.
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As Cruz put it, what was done by executive order can be undone by executive order.
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Uh oh....
Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said.
Source.
Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business.
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It sounds like a very good thing to me that the irregularities are being investigated.
I don't think it's grounds for dems to regret recounts; especially since the dems weren't the ones calling for the recount. only a small subset of people were doing so.
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On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Show nested quote +Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business.
Did they describe what kind of margins the numbers were off by? 1% 20%. I cant read the source material right now.
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On December 14 2016 06:25 Trainrunnef wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business. Did they describe what kind of margins the numbers were off by? 1% 20%. I cant read the source material right now.
"Of the data available, though, machines tallied at least 388 more ballots, according to a Detroit News analysis of the records. That’s 0.16 percent of the 248,000 ballots cast in the city that voted for Clinton 95 percent to 3 percent over Trump."
found it in the article source.
edit: it also says:
Detroit’s mismatched votes
Here is a breakdown of the irregularities in Detroit’s 662 precincts:
■236 precincts in balance — equal numbers of voters counted by workers and machines
■248 precincts with too many votes and no explanation (77 were 1 over; 62 were 2 over, 37 were 3 over, 20 were 4 over, 52 were 5 or more over).
■144 precincts with too few votes and no explanation (81 were 1 under, 29 were 2 under; 19 were 3 under; 7 were 4 under; 8 were 5 or more under)
■34 precincts out of balance but with an explanation
Source: Wayne County Clerk’s Office
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The more I watch elections, the more I support paper only ballots. EVMs consistently come off as more trouble than they are worth.
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1-2 difference in count out of thousands?
Such difference, much wow
Thats not news, thats basic human error.
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On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:
Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business.
I don't get it
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On December 14 2016 06:28 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 06:25 Trainrunnef wrote:On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business. Did they describe what kind of margins the numbers were off by? 1% 20%. I cant read the source material right now. "Of the data available, though, machines tallied at least 388 more ballots, according to a Detroit News analysis of the records. That’s 0.16 percent of the 248,000 ballots cast in the city that voted for Clinton 95 percent to 3 percent over Trump." found it in the article source. edit: it also says: Detroit’s mismatched votes Here is a breakdown of the irregularities in Detroit’s 662 precincts: ■236 precincts in balance — equal numbers of voters counted by workers and machines ■248 precincts with too many votes and no explanation (77 were 1 over; 62 were 2 over, 37 were 3 over, 20 were 4 over, 52 were 5 or more over). ■144 precincts with too few votes and no explanation (81 were 1 under, 29 were 2 under; 19 were 3 under; 7 were 4 under; 8 were 5 or more under) ■34 precincts out of balance but with an explanation Source: Wayne County Clerk’s Office
While the lack of explanations is troubling, it wouldn't have made the slightest difference with the result. So that, at least if good.
Of course, the lack of explanation is far more likely to be human error when taking the votes than the machine being off, but it all needed to be checked. Can't have buggy voting machines...
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On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Show nested quote +Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business.
I think that's misinterpreting the motivation for quite a few people?
The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. Auditing elections on a large scale will help give more data into the problems with our election process and shed light on problems that aren't real problems while also verifying the legitimacy of our elections despite what the president elect has said.
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I liked the Brexit ballot tallying a lot. Paper ballots, video of counting. Seems like a good way to reduce ballot fraud controversy.
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On December 14 2016 06:35 Gorsameth wrote:
1-2 difference in count out of thousands?
Such difference, much wow
Thats not news, thats basic human error.
That information is not correct. They don't yet have the data for the precincts where the error was more than 5 votes. Those are the precincts that matter.
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On December 14 2016 06:41 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business. I think that's misinterpreting the motivation for quite a few people?
The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. Auditing elections on a large scale will help give more data into the problems with our election process and shed light on problems that aren't real problems while also verifying the legitimacy of our elections despite what the president elect has said.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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On December 14 2016 06:45 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2016 06:41 Logo wrote:On December 14 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Uh oh.... Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.
Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.
The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” said Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
State officials are planning to examine about 20 Detroit precincts where ballot boxes opened during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day.
“We’re assuming there were (human) errors, and we will have discussions with Detroit election officials and staff in addition to reviewing the ballots,” Thomas said. Source. Democrats may have real reason to regret this recount business. I think that's misinterpreting the motivation for quite a few people?
The president elect has called into question the legitimacy of our elections as have many GOP politicians with voter id laws. Auditing elections on a large scale will help give more data into the problems with our election process and shed light on problems that aren't real problems while also verifying the legitimacy of our elections despite what the president elect has said. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Like hell you don't lol.
"The election is rigged", "If I lose it will be because the election is rigged" aka Trump. And fraud is always the argument used when the GOP wants to curtail minority voting rights.
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