US Politics Mega-thread - Page 6337

On November 30 2016 05:48 xDaunt wrote:
I don't have a problem with appointing Chao as Transportation Secretary. Trump is buying off McConnell for relative chump change so that he can lock up support for his larger agenda.

On November 30 2016 06:34 sharkie wrote:
All I remember from hilary debates was xenophobia, xenophobia, sexism, etc.

Maybe she should have rather mentioned these kind of thins during debates? Could have saved many votes I bet.

On November 30 2016 06:34 sharkie wrote:
All I remember from hilary debates was xenophobia, xenophobia, sexism, etc.

Maybe she should have rather mentioned these kind of thins during debates? Could have saved many votes I bet.

On November 30 2016 06:03 LegalLord wrote:
Of all the things there is to worry about in a Trump presidency, him using his post to give his business (a luxury real estate business, mind you, not something like Haliburton) a boost is pretty far down my list of concerns.

He might have a few more foreign guests than average stay at his hotels as he bumps up the price ridiculously high and he might get his company a few more government contracts for fancy real estate in prime locations. There are worse things that could be worried about.

On November 30 2016 06:45 Logo wrote:


Skipping right over the difference in how that's treated vs hellraising over the Clinton Foundation...

What happens if/when someone attacks one of his overseas hotels?

By not strongly disassociating himself from his brand/businesses, an attack on a Trump hotel is going to become an attack on America.

Also yes all this was covered pre-election (as was Hillary's policy platforms and not just her anti-platform) the problem is the media gets to choose narratives and the xenophobic/sexist mudslinging is the one that gets viewers.

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Also on this whole school debate, isn't bussing a largely proven partial solution that has been shown to have no negative effects on the students ending up in the poorer schools? I thought bussing was a well trodden thing, but is only held back because people freak out over it for no reason.

On November 30 2016 06:36 farvacola wrote:
Looks like Hillary-esque politicians need to work on their debate prep and sharkie needs to work on his memory

On November 30 2016 06:57 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:


wasn't there a relatively recent supreme court case that dealt a blow to bussing? I have a vague memory of that happening.

Finally, in 2007, the Roberts Court produced a contentious 5–4 ruling in Parents Involved in Community Schools v. Seattle School District No. 1 (PICS). The decision prohibited the use of racial classifications in any student assignment plan to maintain racial balance. Whereas the Brown case ruled that racial segregation violated the Constitution, now the use of racial classifications violated the equal protections clause of the 14th Amendment. Writing for the minority, Justice Breyer said the "ruling contradicted previous decisions upholding race-conscious pupil assignments and would hamper local school boards' efforts to prevent 'resegregation' in individual schools"

On November 30 2016 07:04 xDaunt wrote:

You can't blame him. The democrats' strategy for taking out Trump was undeniably to throw everything at the wall. While there was a lot to throw, I can't help but think that the result was the creation of a lot of noise that potentially drowned out some of the stronger attacks.

On November 30 2016 07:13 LegalLord wrote:
Maybe you can't identity politics your way into the presidency. Who would've known that to be electable, you need to make a case for yourself that is more than just being a human who is distinct from your opponent?

On November 30 2016 07:13 LegalLord wrote:
Maybe you can't identity politics your way into the presidency. Who would've known that to be electable, you need to make a case for yourself that is more than just being a human who is distinct from your opponent?

On November 30 2016 07:21 Logo wrote:


It's a myth that Hillary Clinton didn't do that if you actually read any of the policy statements issued by both candidates. She should have spent more time signaling them, and certainly nominating a centrist corporate democrat was a bad choice so that's fair criticism. But there was policy around, it's just not a newsworthy narrative for anyone to push when those same companies could hit record ratings 'objectively' covering the latest thing Trump said.

Her campaign was a mess, but there was more to it than just Identity politics, and if you take that parts of term literally then it's Trump who fits the bill way more considering he walked he way into the White House almost entirely on his identity of being Trump. That's really all Trump had; 1 reasonably policy position (anti-TPP), a few vague and/or infeasible positions (anti-NAFTA, the wall, etc.) and a whole boatload of, "I Am Donald Trump!" (well and a pro-white messaging which for some reason no one against identity politics will consider part of identity politics)

On November 30 2016 07:24 Gorsameth wrote:

Dont forget the "Hillary is a criminal (despite no conviction of anything)" and "Lock her up".

On November 30 2016 07:28 LegalLord wrote:
No, she absolutely could have talked policy instead of pushing the "racist sexist xenophobic Hitler" narrative as far as it could possibly go. She had policies that could convince people if she tried. But someone thought that "half the people who vote for my opponents are just stupid fags" was a smart approach to this election tells you how immersed in an identity politics and "my opponent is so bad that I can do what I want and still win" she was. That she could even think that that was a reasonable thing to say does give some insight into what kind of campaign was being run.